SPECIAL EXTRA: Bin Laden is Liquidated, Russia takes the Credit

With the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, Bin Laden was elevated to the realm of evil in the American imagination once reserved for dictators like Hitler and Stalin. He was a new national enemy, his face on wanted posters, gloating on videotapes, taunting the United States and Western civilization.

— The New  York Times, Front Page, May 2, 2011

In yet another new low in the sordid annals of Russian history, while the world was being reminded on the front page of the American “paper of record” about the evil that was Josef Stalin Russia, which has been busily rehabilitating Stalin, was attempting to claim credit for the liquidation of Osama bin Laden:

Russia has greeted the killing of Osama bin Laden as a “major success” in the global fight against terrorism.

“Russia was one of the first to come up against the threat of global terrorism and unfortunately knows firsthand what al-Qaeda is,” the Kremlin said in an official statement posted on its website.

“Retribution to all terrorists is inexorable,” the statement said. “Only joint coordinated battle against terrorism can bring tangible results. Russia is ready for stepping up this cooperation.”

The elimination of bin Laden marks “momentous success, not only for the U.S. security forces, but also for all those who are working to defeat terrorism,” said Viktor Ozerov, head of the Defence and Security Committee in the Federation Council, the upper house of the Russian Parliament.

The parliamentarian voiced the hope that the death of the world’s Number 1 terrorist would weaken al Qaeda, which has fomented terrorism in Russia as well.

“Russian security forces established a hand of bin Laden in many terrorist attacks in North Caucasus that his emissaries helped prepare and finance,” Mr. Ozerov said.

A senior Russian security official described bin Laden’s killing as a “momentous event in the fight against terrorism.”

“It shows above all that retribution will not elude terrorists who commit atrocious crimes against humanity,” the Itar-Tass news agency quoted the security spokesman, who did not give his name.

Such reports show that Russia continues to exist in some bizarre parallel universe utterly divorced from reality.  Having destroyed all broad-based independent media and opposition political parties, as in Soviet times Russian are no longer able, like the infamous Emperor with his “new clothes,” to tell lie from truth, fact from fiction.  But let Americans try to take credit for the killing of a Chechen terrorist, and then see the fur fly!

Just as the USSR could not survive its deep, pervasive oblivious ignorance, it must surely destroy Russia.

54 responses to “SPECIAL EXTRA: Bin Laden is Liquidated, Russia takes the Credit

  1. I’d like to point out the Russians themselves claimed to arrest al-Zawahiri, the real leader of al-Qaeda, in 1998 (when he was already one of the world’s most wanted men), and to release him promptly.

    And that, according to Alex Litvinenko, al-Zawahiri spent his “detention” in an FSB-run training facility in Dagestan.

    And of course Russia was almost never targeted by al-Qaeda. The only exception was when the highly-autonomus AQI kidnapped and killed 4 Russian SVR “diplomats” in Baghdad in 2006.

    • FAKT: Alexander, who, in your opinion, is the originator of this [London] terrorist attack?

      A. Litvinenko: You know, I have spoken about it earlier and I shall say now, that I know only one organization that has made terrorism the main tool of solving political problems. It is the Russian special services. The KGB was engaged in terrorism for many years, and mass terrorism. At the special department of the KGB they trained terrorists from practically every country in the world. These courses lasted, as a rule, for a half-year. Specially trained and prepared agents of the KGB organized murders and explosions, including explosions of tankers, the hijacking of passenger airliners, strikes on diplomatic, state and commercial organizations worldwide.

      FAKT: Could you name … some of the terrorists prepared at the “special courses” of the KGB-FSB?

      A. Litvinenko: The bloodiest terrorists in the world were or are agents of the KGB-FSB. These are well-known, like Carlos Ilyich Ramiros, nicknamed “the Jackal,” the late Yassir Arafat, Saddam Hussein, Adjalan (he is condemned in Turkey), Wadi Haddad, the head of the service of external operations of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Hauyi, the head of the communist party of Lebanon, Mr. Papaionnu from the Cyprus, Sean Garland from Ireland and many others. All of them were trained by the KGB, received money from there, weapons and explosives, counterfeit documents and a communication equipment for carrying out of acts of terrorism worldwide.

      FAKT: Some may object that each of the listed figures, and the forces supporting them, were engaged in solving their own political problems.

      A. Litvinenko: Certainly, all these figures and movements operated under their own slogans; however, none of them especially hid their “intimate” … relationship with the Kremlin and Lubyanka. There is a simple question: whether the Russian special services would train and finance people and groups that were not supervised by Lubyanka and did not serve the interests of the Kremlin? You understand perfectly, they would not. Each act of terrorism made by these people was carried out as an assignment and under the rigid control of the KGB of the USSR. And [the terrorism] … is not casual after the disintegration of the USSR and [reform of the KGB]….

      FAKT: Every terrorist you have named is from ‘the old staff’ of the KGB. Could you name someone from recent history?

      A. Litvinenko: Certainly, here it is. The number two person in the terrorist organization al Qaeda, who they are crediting with the series of explosions in London, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is an old agent of the FSB. Being sentenced to death in Egypt for terrorism and hunted by Interpol, Ayman al-Zawahiri, in 1998, was in the territory of Dagestan, where for half a year he received special training at one of the educational bases of the FSB. After this training he was transferred to Afghanistan, where he had never been before and where, following the recommendation of his Lubyanka chiefs, he at once … penetrated the milieu of bin Laden and soon became his assistant in al Qaeda.

      FAKT: Could you hint at least, where this data comes from?

      A. Litvinenko: I can. During my service in one of the most secret departments of the FSB, top officials from the UFSB of Dagestan, who had directly worked with Ayman al-Zawahiri … were called to Moscow and received high posts.

      FAKT: What can you say concerning the acts of terrorism in London ? From what region and with what forces was this strike directed?

      A. Litvinenko: In reply to this question I can definitely say that the center of global terrorism is not in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan or the Chechen Republic. The terrorist infection is spread worldwide from Lubyanka Square and the Kremlin cabinet. And until the Russian special services are outlawed, dispersed and condemned, the terrorism will never stop: bombs will blow up and blood will be shed. Terrorism has no expiration date…. I would like to repeat, that all the terrorists, whom I have named, were supported by the heads of the Soviet and Russian special services – Yuri Andropov, Vladimir Putin, Nikolay Patrushev and others. These people are the main terrorists…. And until we condemn them … global terrorism will continue.

    • The official version by al-Zawahiri:

      Dr. Zawahri faced intense questioning by followers who hadn’t been told of his Russia journey. One angrily demanded an explanation for his “mysterious disappearance.” But instead of the facts, some followers got only a smokescreen, perhaps designed to prevent suspicions of betrayal that might arise from such a quick release from Russian arrest. Mr. Sebai in London says he was told Dr. Zawahri had been seized by one of the kidnapping-for-ransom gangs active in the region. Meanwhile, Western terrorism experts trying to explain the absence came up with various theories of their own, all of them wrong.

      Dr. Zawahri developed an ulcer in this period, prompting get-well messages from confederates but not defanging their criticism. “We ask God to grant you recovery from your ulcer, but this illness is not too serious to prevent you from working,” said a letter sent by mutinous militants in Yemen. They denounced the Russian trip as “a disaster that almost destroyed the group” and lamented there hadn’t been “any progress in Egypt for two years.” Dr. Zawahri ought to cure Egyptian Jihad’s ill health along with his own, they said.

      With bin Laden

      Running out of both friends and hiding places, Dr. Zawahri settled in Afghanistan, by this time largely ruled by the Islamic fundamentalist Taliban. The move signaled a dramatic change not just of scenery but also of strategy.

      On Feb. 23, 1998, Al-Quds Al-Arabi, an Arabic-language newspaper, published a statement that set off alarms in Washington. Announcing an alliance between Dr. Zawahri and Mr. bin Laden, it declared the founding of the International Islamic Front for Jihad on the Jews and Crusaders. The front, including three other militant groups, said in its founding manifesto: “We — with God’s help — call on every Muslim … to comply with God’s order to kill Americans.”

      The call overturned Dr. Zawahri’s prior diktat that the struggle for Egypt trumped all other battles. Explaining the shift later, he said an Islamic state in Egypt remained the goal but was “not an easy objective that is close at hand.” America, he said, propped up “infidel” Arab governments and would let them fall “only if the shrapnel from the battle reaches their own homes and bodies.”

  2. Strange how the mouth pieces, the brainless stooges of the Kremlin, that trash LR, are silent on this blogg about the evil that was and still is the Russian KGB,
    an oppressive, lying and murdering cancer on mankind.

  3. Zarqawi, Basayev, Khattab, Bin Laden – all met their justice. Nice.

    • Wrong, Basayev met an accident (just like General Troshev, the fattest one).

      Also I guess for you poisoning someone with a letter “from his mother” is really glorious (just like poisoning someone’s tea with radioactive substance).

      • @Robert:

        RE Basayev:

        http://articles.cnn.com/2006-07-10/world/russia.basayev_1_chechen-warlord-shamil-basayev-chechen-rebels-russian-forces?_s=PM:WORLD
        Russian security agents have killed the nation’s most-wanted man, Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev, the director of the Federal Security Service said Monday.
        —————————-

        RE letter:

        Yes, poisoning a mass murdering terrorist with a letter is fine. At least as fine as killing unarmed Bin Laden, shooting his unarmed wife and killing another unarmed woman. Terrorist masterminds don’t deserve any better, however the shooting the two women was very regrettable.

        • “the director of the Federal Security Service” lied, Basayev died in a road accident when transporting munitions (Russian helicopter rockets).

          Khattab was a not “a mass murdering terrorist”. Unfortunately, some people succumb to the Russian propaganda – sharing your “outlandish” attempts to “re-interpret history”:

          http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Judges+differ+their+view+jihadist/4078876/story.html

          Read the whole article. (But of course you won’t or will just ignore it, like always.)

          Bin Laden’s wife was not shot dead. She was just shot in the leg and detained.

          As opposed to, for example, Basayev’s Abkhaz wife and their baby daughter, killed by the Russians already in early 1995 (that is, even before his first terrorist attack). Also killed in the same attack were several other members of his extended family, as well as other civilians.

          Oh, and they also poisoned his teenage brother.

          http://www.watchdog.cz/index.php?show=000000-000008-000001-000093&lang=1

        • Also here is LA Times reporter visiting Basayev family’s home (Basayev was at the frontline in defense of Grozny), just before it was destroyed and many of them were killed:

          http://articles.sfgate.com/1995-01-23/news/17793379_1_grozny-chechen-shirvani-basayev/2

          Basayev’s farmhouse is a rebuilt version of a stone structure his ancestors erected in the year 1010. In its defense, one ancestor fought the 14th century Central Asian warlord Tamerlane. A great- great-great-grandfather served Shamil as a deputy and died in battle against the czar.

          A great-grandfather was killed fighting the Bolshevik army, and his son died when Soviet dictator Josef Stalin deported 800,000 Chechens to Kazakhstan and Siberia in cattle cars in 1944.

  4. Robert wrote: “And of course Russia was almost never targeted by al-Qaeda. The only exception was when the highly-autonomus AQI kidnapped and killed 4 Russian SVR “diplomats” in Baghdad in 2006.

    Really? Then how do you explain these facts:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A2159-2004May4

    In the past 21/2 years, ricin-making equipment or traces of the toxin have been discovered during police raids on al Qaeda-affiliated cells in Britain, France, Spain, Russia, Georgia and Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq. In each case, police also found manuals or papers containing detailed instructions for making and using ricin.

    After al Qaeda lost Afghan camps to invading U.S. forces in late 2001, Benchellali’s chemical training shifted to the Pankisi Gorge, a lawless area in Georgia that borders Chechnya, the separatist republic in southern Russia, French authorities say.

    The experiments ended abruptly in December 2002 when Benchellali was arrested along with three others in connection with an alleged plot to bomb the Russian Embassy in Paris with conventional explosives.

    http://www.thegully.com/essays/iraq/030206_powell_UN_transcr2.html

    Part 2 of the transcript of Colin Powell’s speech to the U.N. Security Council Wednesday, January 5, 2003:

    We also know that Zarqawi’s colleagues have been active in the Pankisi Gorge, Georgia and in Chechnya, Russia. The plotting to which they are linked is not mere chatter. Members of Zarqawi’s network say their goal was to kill Russians with toxins.
    ———————————-

    I hope you are not saying that the esteemed American officials are capable of lying to the entire World, are you?

    • This, AGAIN?

      How many times are we going to have the same discussion?

      Are you having some mental problem, like amnesia (forgetting being explained – repeatedly, or forgetting it won’t work on me), or are you just retarded?

      • No, Robert, it is YOU who is a retard. We touched this topic twice, and you gave mutually contradictory answers. The fact is that Al Qaeda and its allies have done/planned a lot of harm to Russia.

        I also recall reading that most of Al Qaeda guards are Chechens.

        • @No, Robert, it is YOU who is a retard

          And then Maimonides was a zombie.

          @The fact is that Al Qaeda and its allies have done/planned a lot of harm to Russia.

          Not even just physical harm (besides these 4 who got napped and execited by AQI), Russia is even basically ignored by their propaganda.

          (Unlike even China, http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1929388,00.html for example.)

          @I also recall reading that most of Al Qaeda guards are Chechens.

          Wtf is “Al Qaeda guards”, anyway please don’t be shy and share with me the alleged names of some of these curious individuals.

        • @We touched this topic twice, and you gave mutually contradictory answers.

          The answer was and is very clear, you may go and read it again if you really suffer from amnesia or whatever other (but probably faked) mental illness. The link is below.

          • You know what? For my amusement, I just read though it again.

            And this is what i wrote to you in August 2009:

            >> First, show me these “Chechens” (any Chechens, not even the “shock force” or whatever, actually just one physically exisiting individual would be enough for me) “at Tora Bora”. You wrote “it is believed”, so I want to believe too. I told you what kind of proof I’m looking for – and it’s just any kind (I’m not picky): a photo, video, audio, interview, prisoner, dead body, Chechen statement, al-Qaeda statement… whatever. Easy enough? Go, fetch. Show me how wrong I am.

            Hint: Lots of folks I know wait for this since the start of Chechen Phantom Stories in September 2001. It’s like what, almost 8 years now? Damn, not only “at Tora Bora” or anywhere in Afghanistan. Might be also a physical proof from Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia (or Montana). People are waiting for any real member of the Chechen Internationale to turn out anywhere.

            And then tell me what’s “ironic” in the idea of “tens of Chechen refugees” (merely tens, as there are many thousands of them in most of the EU countries) to live in Arizona. I’m really curious what “ironic” would be in this. Something to do with Arizona in particular? Should be rather the well-known Chechen-magnet of Montana? <> Felix, I and many others are looking for the proof of the dreaded Chechen expeditional force (aka “bin Laden’s Chechen shock force”, “Chechen spooky brigade” or “Chechen ghost corps”) since 2001, and I just thought he would probably share me some new information (or “propaganda”, as he call this)… like in http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/07/03/army-major-disputes-story-of-chechen-fighters-in-afghanistan/ where the Real American Hero named “C hally” personally nabbed some of them phantom menace (in the comment section). Do you really think someone with such a clever nickname as “Phobophobe” would disappoint me on this? <<

            But… are you going to disappoint me after all, Mr. Legion?

            Don't forget to change your nick name again.

            • You want evidence of the Chechen connection to Bin Laden? OK, here a the first ones that Google returns:

              http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110503/wl_nm/us_binladen_afghanistan_border

              Bin Laden, the architect of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, was killed by U.S. forces in a dramatic raid north of the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, on Monday, sparking fears of revenge by Islamist militants. Jamaluddin Badr, governor of northeastern Nuristan province, said the 25 foreign fighters killed and wounded overnight included Arabs, Chechens and Pakistanis. He said the operation was launched to guard against attacks after bin Laden’s death.

              http://newsfromrussia.com/hotspots/2001/09/27/16355.html

              Around 70 Chechens are among fanatical suicide bodyguards of Osama Bin Laden, terrorist #1, RIA Novosti correspondent learned Thursday from Afghan sources. Bin Ladin’s personal guard includes from 500 to 700 people, they are only Arabs and Chechens.

              http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/87312/chechen-connection-james-s-robbins

              The Chechen Connection
              October 13, 2004 9:25 A.M.
              By James S. Robbins

              In October 2002 Chechen unofficial envoy Lyoma Usmanov denied any ties between the provisional Chechen government and al Qaeda. Though operational links between Al Qaeda and the Chechens remain sketchy, it is believed that Chechen fighters loyal to bin Laden comprised his shock force and perhaps bodyguard at Tora Bora. As well, Jordanian-born Chechen guerilla Omar Ibn al Khattab, now deceased, had links to bin Laden dating back to the Soviet war in Afghanistan. Ironically, in 2000 Ambassador Usmanov wrote Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., suggesting “tens of Chechen refugees” be brought to live in Arizona. “I thought it would be nice for Chechens,” Usmanov said. “Arizona is a mountain region – not beautiful like Chechnya – but anyway, a nice region for Chechens.” (The idea went nowhere.)

              • That’s evidence? No, that’s claims. (From RIA Novosti and corrupt Pakistani officials, no less, but that’s even besides the point.)

                Now would you give me a name of even one of these “Chechens”? Or an admission by al-Qaeda or the Taliban (why wouldn’ t they?), or by the Chechen separatists (who have always denied this, even KC that is supporting the Taliban), or by someone’s family, or really just any evidence. You can’t, because such evidence does not exist. None of the claims was ever proven. And as it’s because it’s continuing for 10 years now without any proof and given the sheer numbers of such claims (the number of these “killed Chechens” is for long time already in the thousands, how curious not one was ever captured!), all these claims of “Chechen” spectres are false. It’s just a false propaganda that became a meme, often repeated by stupid journalists without checking the facts.

                http://www.amazon.com/Insurgency-Chechnya-North-Caucasus-International/dp/031338634X – see the first note on the page 2 of the Introduction section.

                http://easterncampaign.com/2007/08/24/imaginary-chechens-attack/ is an amusing summary of the “Chechen” meme (written almost 4 years ago, but still actual).

                @Ironically, in 2000 Ambassador Usmanov wrote Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., suggesting “tens of Chechen refugees” be brought to live in Arizona. “I thought it would be nice for Chechens,” Usmanov said.

                In the thread 2 yars ago, I asked you what’s so “ironic” in this idea. They would certainly feel better in the mountains than in Spain for example:

                http://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/10243/

                So, tell me again (you never did), what would be so “ironic” if they instead settled in Arizona, got work and built a new house for themselves, instead of her going to such desperate measures? 60% of the refugees are children, many of them horribly traumatised (or even maimed).

                • The Amazon link that I posted was for you to check the first note on the page 2 of the book.

                  (And no, I’m not Lt Colonel Robert Schaefer, before you ask in your unlimited wisdom or try some “witty” comment.)

                  And the Eastern Campaign post was also followed by this:

                  http://easterncampaign.com/2007/08/26/whoops-they-caught-a-chechen/

                  But of course you will ignore it, and will tell me again the very same things in the next 2 years, writing under another nick name.

                  In the meantime, the “Chechens” meme entered even video games. So, here’s your evidence!

                  http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/xfcwlf_medal-of-honor-2010-chechen-mujahideen-ambush_videogames

                  Ironically, this gameplay video from Medal of Honor was uploaded by some Chechen gamer (appearently living in France, judging by the “amerique” in description and “loup” in his nick name).

                • And talking about KC, this is what they said about the myth of “Chechen” spectres as recently as last year:

                  It is to reminded, that starting from the incursion into Afghanistan by the US and NATO forces, the Russian and Western propaganda regularly reports about “Chechen militants”, who fight in their hundreds in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But, during 9 years of war not a single fact was presented proving the claims.
                  Until present day no one has seen a captured, dead or alive Chechen in Afghanistan or Pakistan.
                  It is to mentioned, that in Afghanistan and Pakistan all Europeans fighting on Taliban side are often called as Chechens.
                  http://www.kavkaznews.com/eng/content/2010/04/17/11893.shtml

                  And that’s how it is.

                  Also over 99,99% of the people in Afghanistan and Pakistan (and the rest of the world) would not recognise a real Chechen if they have seen one, be it from appearance or dialect. Just like “even” I wouldn’t recognise someone as a Chechen from just look or language (despite my deep interest in the subject I know just a few words and they stereotypically look just like most of other nations in the region), just I wouldn’t spot someone as being from (say) south-western Congo or Catalonia, and I’m certain you too would never recognise a real Chechen even if one he slapped you in the neck.

  5. Latest news on the grapevine was that Elton John was going to sing at Osama Bin Laden’s funeral.

    The name of the song?…………… “Sandals in the Bin”.

    • Funny Bohdan, but I am afraid some of those fans of the royals (you must have quite a few down under) are going to be upset with a joke like that

      • RV

        No I don’t think so as the Aussies are usually a broad minded lot, and they enjoy clever jokes as long as they are not offensive at the Royal’s expense.

        And yes you are right in that we “have a quite a few down under” that are fans of the royals. The clear majority of which are British immigrants who have forsaken England for a new home here.

        But the outright majority are republicans waiting for the next time a referendum is held, to turn Australia into a republic.

        • I really have nothing much against the royals, but find their pomp and extravagance pretty silly, to say nothing about the cost to the taxpayers. But many Americans are still fascinated, even though we kicked George III out in 1776, so go figure…

          • Your sentiments are mine exactly. No disagreement at all. Period.

            However I believe that the reason you Americans fought the British and won was that a large proportions of your immigrant population consisted of Germans who had no allegiance to ‘mother’ England. Furthermore here in Australia we were taught that the English language only won by one vote at the Declaration of Independence over German. And as a sop to the Germans you drive on the right hand side of the road, only one of two English speaking nations (Canada being the other one) that do this – and here I am 100% positive in my mind that the Brits got it wrong by driving on the left side. For confirmation just look at any old English made motorbikes (I do not know about the current, new ones) where the brake pedal was always on the left side of the machine. Whereas on all cars the brake is on the right side!

            Australia also had its rebellion, the “Eureka Stockade” but that was short lived and brutally put down by the authorities. But it did not catch on as the rest of Australia did not support the rebellion!

            Sure Australia was a very supportive colony of ‘Mother England’ until WW II, when Japan attacked the US and Australia too. When – to our request for military support from England, after all we were fighting the Germans in Africa, Crete, Greece and (Germany – Air Force and Navy only in this instance). Churchill made the stupid remark “let Australia fall (to the Japanese) we will retake it!” Well that went down like a lead balloon. And we started to look towards the US, because we then realized who our true friend was.

            I can remember many a verbal jibe by Australians against Australians that served in England during WW II. “and where were you when Australia desperately needed you – Yeah, yeah I know, you served in England – big deal??”

  6. Believe it or not, but English has never been declared the national or official language of the United States. There is nothing about it in the Constitution. Of course, de facto it is, and the official language of the government is English. But not de jure, and any such declaration (short of the constitutional amendment) would be probably unconstitutional and unenforceable due to the freedom of speech problem.

    I too heard that English barely won over German, but it is probably one of those convincingly-sounding urban legends, although it’s true, we had a lot of Germans and Dutch at the end of the colonial era.

  7. Robert wrote: “Now would you give me a name of even one of these “Chechens”?

    Would you give me a name of even one of those Seals that killed Bin Laden?

    Do you REALLY think that Al Qaeda warriors are so law-abiding and stupid that they carry documents with their REAL birth names and nationalities?

    Since it didn’t register with you, let me repeat what Reuters reported recently:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110503/wl_nm/us_binladen_afghanistan_border

    ASSADABAD, Afghanistan (Reuters)

    Bin Laden, the architect of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, was killed by U.S. forces in a dramatic raid north of the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, on Monday, sparking fears of revenge by Islamist militants. Jamaluddin Badr, governor of northeastern Nuristan province, said the 25 foreign fighters killed and wounded overnight included Arabs, Chechens and Pakistanis. He said the operation was launched to guard against attacks after bin Laden’s death.
    ——————————

    Why would the Pakistani officials like Jamaluddin Badr go out of their way to badmouth Chechens?

    And here is what the Washington Post wrote:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A2159-2004May4

    After al Qaeda lost Afghan camps to invading U.S. forces in late 2001, Benchellali’s chemical training shifted to the Pankisi Gorge, a lawless area in Georgia that borders Chechnya, the separatist republic in southern Russia, French authorities say.
    ————————-

    Your own claims are usually based on less reliable sources that Reuters,, US State Department, and WP.

    • @Would you give me a name of even one of those Seals that killed Bin Laden?

      Huh? I can give you a plenty of the names of killed and detained non-Chechens (foreigners). Including all these in Gitmo (among them were actually 8 Russian citizens, but no Chechens). I can give you names of Uzbek foreign fighters (it’s often “Uzbeks and Chechens”), including the famous ones, becuase for a change they exist (even as their numbers and influence was and is vastly exaggerated). Do you understand?

      @Jamaluddin Badr, governor of northeastern Nuristan province, (…) Why would the Pakistani officials like Jamaluddin Badr go out of their way to badmouth Chechens?

      I know you are totally ignorant and very stupid, but Nuristan is not in Pakistan.

      And the AFGHAN officials like Jamaluddin Badr are usually very corrupt and/or ineffective, and for this reason they are not being given details of the US special operations in Pakistan that are so secret that not even Pakistan was informed – basically for the same reasons.

      @Your own claims are usually based on less reliable sources that Reuters,, US State Department, and WP.

      Nice, a link with some BS (outdated allegations) from 2004. Guess what, in 2006 he were not convinced in relation to the “chemical plot” accusation (but for planning normal attacks, on an undefined targets). He had no “chemical training” anywhere, and the “evidence” was just some household items. Also this “Chechen terror plot” (sic, it’s a quote) included no Chechens at all among the 25 suspects.

      And that’s just how the “Chechen foreign fighters” in Afghansian and Pakistan (and Iraq and Somalia) included no Chechens among the thousands of captured and otherwise identified foreigners. An European? “Chechen!” A Russian-speaker? “Double Chechen!!” Some random people that do or do not exist? “These scary Chechens, of course!” That’s how it works. Because of the relentles Russian propaganda, self-serving statements by various locals who have never seen a Chechen in their life, and stupidity by various journalists and officials, they became global boogeymen.

      And “Mr. Ricin” al-Zarqawi himself never even attempted to make any ricin during his years of mischief in Iraq – his men organised only some failed chlorine attacks (as I’ve already told you 2 years ago).

    • Also, would you already tell me what was “ironic” in Usmanov’s idea? He’s himself living in the USA, after all.

      Btw, in September 2001:

      In a letter entitled “al Qaida and Chechnya,” published in the October 2 issue of the Washington Post, and which took sharp issue with a news story appearing in the September 19 issue of the paper, Lyoma Usmanov, U.S. representative of the government of President Aslan Maskhadov, underlined: “The Chechen [separatist] government has no ties with Osama bin Laden and does not sympathize with him. We know of no Chechens in the United States who are members of al Qaida or who would commit terrorist acts by hijacking airplanes. Such attacks are against Chechen beliefs and law.” Usmanov noted that President Maskhadov had expressed “great sadness” over the events of September 11, 2001 and that he “supports the U.S. war on terrorism.” “The Chechen government,” he related, “has informed FBI Director Robert S. Mueller of its willingness to help in antiterrorist investigations.”

      And yes – back then Russian propaganda and some usual idiot journalists attempted to even blame this on “the Chechens” (Russians even quickly “found” the “evidence” “in a cave in Chechnya”, etc.).

      Litvinenko about the Russian lies of “Chechen connection” to the 9/11 (since then quitely abandoned, just like the stories of “2,100 killed Ossetians” and other such propaganda follies), and how Russia exploited this tragedy otheriwse, too:

      http://adamite.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/litvinenko-putin-and-911/

  8. Robert wrote: ““the director of the Federal Security Service” lied, Basayev died in a road accident when transporting munitions (Russian helicopter rockets).

    Since you demand from me irrefutable proofs, let me see YOUR irrefutable proof that ” the director of the Federal Security Service lied”.

    Read the whole article. (But of course you won’t or will just ignore it, like always.)

    How do you know that the “whole article” is true?

    Bin Laden’s wife was not shot dead. She was just shot in the leg and detained.

    Why was she detained? What crime is she guilty of? Raising a child? But Bin Laden’s son was killed, wasn’t he?

    Oh, and they also poisoned his teenage brother.

    Please give irrefutable evidence, please!

    Robert wrote: “http://www.watchdog.cz/index.php?show=000000-000008-000001-000093&lang=1

    Why should I believe this article, given that you don’t believe the links that I give to you?

    • @Why was she detained? What crime is she guilty of? Raising a child? But Bin Laden’s son was killed, wasn’t he?

      Aiding and abetting person most-wanted by almost whole world (except of North Korea, Russia, etc.), and by Pakistan too (well, officially).

      Yes, one of his MANY sons (at least 19, with multiple wives)was killed.

      Btw, one of the others said “but dad, I don’t agree with mass murder” (quite literally) – and now he lives with severe mental problems, because of his father:

      http://abcnews.go.com/International/osama-bin-ladens-son-omar-hospitalized-schizophrenia/story?id=11128862

      @Why should I believe this article, given that you don’t believe the links that I give to you?

      Because they’re well informed on the subject. But hey, whatever, if you WANT to be ignorant…

      Anyway, Basayev never advertised the death of his family (in the indiscriminate bombing, murders like this poisoning, and in combat). He was always saying he’s avenging the nation – after all thousands of children were killed, not acting in some petty revenge for personal losses. It was never in his statements and interviews, not even in 1995, I guess he was hardened by what has witnesses in Grozny already.

  9. Oh, and I’m done repeating myself. Come back in the next 2 years, under another nick name, if you’ve learnt nothing.

    I bet you no evidence of this Global Chechen villain character (soulmate of Eternal Jew) will be found, and Nuristan will be still in Afghanistan.

    • …after all Robert is here to teach all of us: the sources he gives is unquestionable truth, while those of his opponents are just claims; and we all need to impress Robert, otherwise he will not post his 5-screeners and “by the way, in 2001…” articles here (you wish). At least he is careful enough to admit that none of his predictions will come true in “two years from now”. … and rest assured, he will be here in 2 years from now, having learned nothing, posting articles from 10 years ago and professing imminent doom…

      • @At least he is careful enough to admit that none of his predictions will come true

        What? Evidently, vodka is clouding your mind comrade. Do you really think I did “admit” my “prediction” that “Nuristan will be still in Afghanistan” in 2 years from now won’t “come true”, somehow? Or maybe do you agree with your equally retarded friend who thought Nuristan is in Pakistan, right now? Try to drink less (I know it may be very hard for you).

        • Your predictions are “I give the Russian Federation a couple of more years” and “you are doomed”. And why are you calling me comrade, comrade?

          • I like how you dispute being called a comrade, but not drinking way too much vodka. I guess I will post no “5-screeners” for you, da svidanya.

  10. @Robert: Your “logic” is beyond comprehension. Since, I can’t waste my life on responding to ALL your idiocies, let me take two as examples:

    1. Robert wrote: “Yes, one of his MANY sons (at least 19, with multiple wives)was killed.

    Why is it important how many total sons Osama had? Are you saying that if a person has lots of brothers, it is OK to kill him?

    2. Robert wrote: “@Why was she detained? What crime is she guilty of?
    Aiding and abetting person most-wanted by almost whole world

    What do you mean by “aiding and abetting”? Cooking his food and raising his child? ALL wives do that. Are you saying that if a man is a criminal, then his wife automatically deserves to be shot/wounded and arrested? My god, what a moron you are.

    • @Why is it important how many total sons Osama had? Are you saying that if a person has lots of brothers, it is OK to kill him?

      Huh? The dead kid was a militant, AKA a terrorist. Here’s about him from 2008:

      Osama Bin Laden’s son calls for Britain to be wiped out on terror web film
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2273613/Osama-Bin-Ladens-son-calls-for-Britain-to-be-wiped-out-on-terror-web-film.html

      @What do you mean by “aiding and abetting”?

      Being a very close accomplice to the most wanted in the world (wanted for mass murder, no less).

      @Are you saying that if a man is a criminal, then his wife automatically deserves to be shot/wounded and arrested?

      Of course not, not every criminal’s wife is a Bonnie to a Clyde. Or in this case, more like an Eva to an Adolf (well, this Eva shot herself, and not in a leg, wonder why).

      Why are you even whining that much about this? Did you whine AT ALL when the Russians claimed to KILL Umarov’s wife in March?

      http://www.cacianalyst.org/?q=node/5536/print

      No? how curious!

      Piss off.

      • Oh wait, turned out the killed one was Khalid, not Hamza (the one I called “kid”, and by kid I meant he’s 18-19 years old).

        So, how this poor innocent Khalid bin Laden fellow looked like, you ask? Well, like this:

        I must say it’s an impressive big-ass knife. Here’s the same guy but being less alive:

        “Are you saying that if a person has lots of brothers, it is OK to kill him?” – You are retarded. No, really, I’m stating a fact now.

        Bye, retard.

  11. Hey, Robert,

    I am not going to reply to your infantile insults. Instead, let me repeat my question for the 3rd time:

    Other that raising children, having sex, and cooking food, what crimes is Osama’s wife guilty of? How did she “aid and abet” Osama’s criminal activities?

    Is this question understandable to you, genius?

    • @Other that raising children, having sex, and cooking food, what crimes is Osama’s wife guilty of? How did she “aid and abet” Osama’s criminal activities?

      By personally and knowingly helping Mr. Osama to hide from what you yourself called “justice”. It’s the same as with anyone else who is helping a fugitive criminal (mass murderer), here aggrevated by the fact this particular one being the most wanted man in the world.

      Legal definition in the US law: http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/aiding_abetting_accessory.html

      She can be also charged with membership in al-Qaeda organisation and being part of a conspiracy. She was not extracted because one of the choppers has crashed and there was no room for her (the 24 equipped SEALs + Mr. Osama’s corspe had to pack into just 1 Black Hawk).

      Name’s Amal Ahmed al-Sadah (aka Amal Ahmed Abdul Fatah). Because, you know, real people have names. As opposed to imaginary Chechens.

      “Rising the child” part:

      Their first child was born just days after the September 11 attacks in 2001. The baby girl was named Safiya, reportedly after a person who killed a Jewish spy during the Prophet’s time. Bin Laden hoped his child would “kill the enemies of Islam”.
      http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/osama-bin-laden-had-a-mail-order-bride-at-his-side-amal-al-sadah/story-e6freoox-1226052269131

      What an inocent affair and wonderful parentship.

      Oh, and the bottom line is your governer of “Nuristan in Pakistan” of course lied about that “25 foreign fighters killed and wounded overnight included Arabs, Chechens and Pakistanis”. The total of only 7 people killed and wounded, all of them Arab, and I guess the 18 remaining Chechen fairy tale boogeymen disappeared into thin air. As they appearently always do when they die, not unlike The Hand’s redshirt ninjas in the Marvel comics universe. And how (also imaginary, in this case) Pakistanis could be “foreigners” in Pakistan, I don’t know.

  12. Still, not a single Chechen has ever been arrested outside Russia for
    involvement in al-Qaida. The few Russian citizens arrested by coalition forces in Afghanistan and then jailed in the Guantanamo prison comprised natives of Tatarstan, Bashkortostan and Kabardino-Balkaria. All were later sent back to Russia, where they were released.

    Andrei Soldatov, a security analyst with the Agentura think tank, said playing up al-Qaida’s presence in the North Caucasus helps Russian authorities pretend that they are fighting a common enemy with the United States and other Western countries.

    “This naturally allows them to undercut foreign criticism of the brutal anti-terrorism efforts in the North Caucasus,” he said.

    Enver Kisriyev, a Caucasus expert with the Institute of Ethnography and Anthropology of the Russian Academy of Science, concurred, saying, “Claiming to be fighting al-Qaida allows federal and local security officials to often operate outside the legal limits.”

    Bin Laden’s death will have little effect on the activities of North Caucasus rebels because they do not share al-Qaida’s global goal of fighting the United States, which it sees as the biggest enemy of Islam, Soldatov said.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/kremlin-got-tip-on-bin-ladens-death/436133.html

    • Hey, Robert,

      Llet me repeat my question for the 4th time:

      Other that raising children, having sex, and cooking food, what crimes is Osama’s wife guilty of? How did she “aid and abet” Osama’s criminal activities?

      Is this question still too difficult for you to understand, genius?

      • I’ve already responded to this question (asked once and not “three times”), in the thread. Is vodka really clouding your mind and eyes so much? Blame it on imaginary Chechens.

        • No, but raki is clouding yours, genius. You have NOT given a single example of any crimes committed by the wounded wife of Bin Laden nor any examples of her “aiding and abetting” Osama’s criminal activities.

          • OMFG. If you actively help a criminal, you’re commiting a crime. Did you read the link?

            http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/aiding_abetting_accessory.html

            “A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support. Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender’s participation in the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy.

            For example, Andy draws a floor plan of a bank, knowing of Dan’s intention to rob it. After Dan commits the robbery, Alice agrees to let him store the stolen money at her house. Both Andy and Alice can be charged with aiding and abetting, or acting as accessories to the robbery.”

            Clear enough?

            It’s not some kind of collective responsibility detention, like in http://www.hrw.org/en/node/77296/section/10 this case for example, when the large numbers of Russian “law enforcers” rounded up and then tortured practically the whole male population (including the local policemen working for them, who got “filtered” as the first) and then methodically looted and destroyed everything in the village including the school and the hospital, just because some kind of explosion took place nearby. It was not an isolated incident. So now maybe you tell me about how much you cared for this?

          • Btw, lately there was the first case when the bodies of 5 alleged “Chechens” who were killed (more like murdered) in AfPak were actually identified, for the first time ever:

            http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/01/slain-five-were-not-chechen-says-russian-official.html

            Result? Well, quite predictable! Turnes out the “5 Chechens” really were:
            -4 Russians
            -1 Tajik (maybe)
            -o Chechens (of course)

            It was also quite a horrific incident really, even for the AfPak standards – unarmed and apparently innocent people were gunned down in a hail of bullets despite them already having surrendered and then they were finished off when lying there wounded, they were mostly women and one of them was 7-month pregnant, even a Pakistani serviceman was killed by friendly fire because he attempted to shield them from his crazy friends so wary of all the imaginary “Chechen” foreign devil al-Qaeda terrorists who obviously come there in their thousands to eat their babies and rape their cattle.

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