Putin has Russia flat out on the Expressway to Disaster

Paul Goble reports:

Although this has been sometimes obscured by high oil and gas prices, the policies Vladimir Putin has carried out over the last decade “are contributing to an economic and political trend which repeats that which led to the demise of the Soviet Union,” according to a leading Moscow commentator.

Writing in Novaya Gazeta, Georgy Satarov, the head of the INDEM Foundation, argues that once these trends and the dangers they present are recognized by Russian society “disappointment with Putin will be much deeper and more severe than the [currently widespread] disappointment in Gorbachev or Yeltsin.

Anyone who compiles a balance sheet on Russia today will be disturbed, Satarov says. On the positive side “is nothing except high prices for oil and gas.” But on the negative is widespread corruption, economic and political degradation, a power afraid of its own people, cynicism, hypocrisy and outright lying about the situation in the country. Indeed, the Moscow analyst continues, “the threats to the present are competing with the threats to the future.”

Some commentators, Satarov notes, say Russia faces a “Weimar scenario.” But others – and they are becoming more numerous, he suggests, have decided that Russia is moving toward disintegration, largely because the country’s leadership “over the last decade has promoted the economic and political trend which repeats that which led to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

According to Satarov, “the main question” is whether Russians are dealing with “the irreversible agony of Russian civilization which is preparing to leave the historical stage or with an illness that allows for the possibility of a cure.”

Russia as an empire has faced and survived challenges to its existence before. The Russian Empire was the only one to survive World War I, he continues, albeit in a very different form under the Bolsheviks who put off its further decline for 70 years. But while it was seriously reduced in size by the events of 1991, Satarov notes, it still faces serious problems in this regard.

An important question is whether the collapse of empire will lead to the destruction of the national statehood of the metropolitan country. For many non-contiguous empires, the answer, Satarov says, is clearly not. For empires with contiguous colonies, however, the record is far more mixed.

After the collapse of the USSR, Satarov points out, “the territory of Russia declined by a third, and within the Russian Federation remains, with one exception only those territorial units which wanted to remain.” As a result, he argues, “Russia in fact ceased to be an empire.”

That conclusion, he continues, is justified because, thanks to the policies of Boris Yeltsin and his team in the 1990s, “after the introduction of elections of regional leaders the most important imperial characteristic disappeared: the loyalty of territorial leaders exchanged for the right to rule.” Russia became a federation, “weak but a federation” with a chance to survive.

But “after 1000, power in the country step by step began to be seized” by people who did not understand either the nature of the underlying challenges and instead sought to promote their personal power and wealth. “As a result, [Russians] have obtained an explosive mix: an unprecedentedly corrupt and uniquely ineffective power in imperial dress.”

If one consider the nature of this mixture, Satarov says, one sees that “the ruling clique is becoming ever richer, the list of its crimes ever broader, and the fear of losing power ever greater, but at the same time, its effectiveness in carrying out its public functions is declining at an accelerating rate.”

“It is important also to stress,” he continues, “that the current regime has destroyed all autonomous institutions both power and social which earlier supplied an adaptive strength to the political system (as for example in 1998). [And consequently] it is not difficult to show” that the current regime has achieved “destructiveness” far exceeding the Romanovs or Brezhnev.

“Let us begin with the attempts of reestablishing imperial ambitions,” Satarov suggests, immediately adding that he is “certain that the current regime isn’t thinking about any attempts at restoring the former imperial space even by half.” Its advisors certainly know that this would lead to “a complete collapse.”

Consequently, the current Moscow regime has not proclaimed that as a goal. But “the criminality of the propaganda policy of the ruling clique consists in the fact that instead of the planned cure of imperial complexes, it is exploiting them in its own selfish goals (in the literal sense of this word).”

In fact, “the words of Putin are an insane and dangerous game,” given the shock of the loss of empire that many Russians feel. But they are even more dangerous because there are some in Moscow “among whom by the way are not a few military personnel” who “are reading these signals differently.”

Such people “consider the rhetoric of the powers that be as a deception,” the INDEM leader continues. “They agree with the content of the signals but are angry that this is all a fabrication imitation. [And] they dream of going from words to the deed itself,” either by pushing the regime to do what it says or by replacing it.

And these outcomes, Satarov insists, are related to corruption. Because corruption of the level Russia is experiencing means the decay of administration, this invariably leads members of the elite to call for combating corruption. But such efforts themselves in this situation can have serious and even frightening consequences.

“Out of the struggle with corruption in the Weimar Republic (in combination with revenge for defeat), Hitler came to power,” Sattarov notes. Moreover, “Franco struggled with the corruption of the Republicans in Spain. [And] Lukashenka began [his rise] with the theme of the struggle against corruption.”

Thus, he continues, it is entirely possible that “disappointment with Putin will be much deeper and more severe [for the future of Russia] than the disappointment [many in Russia feel] for Gorbachev and Yeltsin,” Sattarov concludes. The powers that come after Putin will be “forced willy nilly” to consider this reality.

Obviously, the current rulers of Russia have “a multitude of important concerns” but “the single thing they should be thinking about is how to get out of the current situation alive andhow to hand over power in a way secure for themselves – and to whom.” Whether this will be Russia’s “death agony” or “a disease that can be cured remains an open question.

38 responses to “Putin has Russia flat out on the Expressway to Disaster

  1. National and international disturbancies where always considered as the maine menace to the empire. Putin`s failures on the Caucasus,against orange revolutions,Lukashenko and others strengthen the people`s anxiety about future of the country and discontent of the authorities.This discontent strengthen the corruption accusations of them.The priority of national discontent is obvious in some noisy accusations of corruptions.

  2. @The Russian Empire was the only one to survive World War I, he continues, albeit in a very different form under the Bolsheviks

    Unlike the British, or the Japanese, or the French, or the Italian that didn’t survive, eh?

    • I think he meant the only one empire among the losers of WWI. All other losers, i.e., German, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires, fell

  3. @But “after 1000, power in the country step by step began to be seized

    More like after 2000? Seriously, this Satarov fellow sounds like he’s drunk or something.

    @Moreover, “Franco struggled with the corruption of the Republicans in Spain.

    What is this guy talking about, again.

    • Robert wrote: “@The Russian Empire was the only one to survive World War I, he continues, albeit in a very different form under the Bolsheviks….———— Unlike the British, or the Japanese, or the French, or the Italian that didn’t survive, eh?”

      Satarov was talking about continental empires: “Россия была единственной континентальной империей, пережившей Первую мировую войну.”

      @But “after 1000, power in the country step by step began to be seized….———— More like after 2000?

      Of course. That’s exactly what Satarov wrote: “После 2000 года власть в стране постепенно захватили силовые аутсайдеры”

      Seriously, this Satarov fellow sounds like he’s drunk or something.

      What does Satarov have to do with all this idiocy? The culprit here is Paul Goble. And given the utter silliness and ignorance that he exhibits in all his comments, I suspect that stupidity is his bigger problem than alcoholism.

      Are we to conclude that you lambasted Satarov based on Goble’s interpretation without checking Satarov’s original article? That’s not very wise of you, to put it politely. Are you not familiar with Paul Goble?

  4. Manfred Steifschwanz

    Bla-bla-bla. Bourgeois political psychobabble at its finest. If there’s anything which testifies to corruption on a nearly unimaginable scale, it’s the fact that there are literally hundreds of thousands of suchlike intellectual midgets being handsomely rewarded only to write THIS particular brand of utter garbage.

    I’m most impressed, not to say flabbergasted, by the above piece (not).

  5. “<em.After the collapse of the USSR, Satarov points out, “the territory of Russia declined by a third, and within the Russian Federation remains, with one exception only those territorial units which wanted to remain.” As a result, he argues, “Russia in fact ceased to be an empire.””

    Great to hear.

    “Out of the struggle with corruption in the Weimar Republic (in combination with revenge for defeat), Hitler came to power,” Sattarov notes.

    Nonsense. Hitler came out of the hyperinflation followed by an economic collapse.


    Germany went through its worst inflation in 1923. In 1922, the highest denomination was 50,000 Mark. By 1923, the highest denomination was 100,000,000,000,000 Mark. In December 1923 the exchange rate was 4,200,000,000,000 Marks to 1 US dollar.[21] In 1923, the rate of inflation hit 3.25 × 106 percent per month (prices double every two days). Beginning on 20 November 1923, 1,000,000,000,000 old Marks were exchanged for 1 Rentenmark so that 4.2 Rentenmarks were worth 1 US dollar, exactly the same rate the Mark had in 1914.[21]

    Although the inflation ended with the introduction of the Rentenmark and the Weimar Republic continued for a decade afterwards, hyperinflation is widely believed to have contributed to the Nazi takeover of Germany and Adolf Hitler’s rise to power. Adolf Hitler himself in his book, Mein Kampf, makes many references to the German debt and the negative consequences that brought about the inevitability of “National Socialism”.

  6. maimuni, you forgot about the dirtiest little secret of the WV II the soviet/russian collaborators the Vlasov’s army – all of them were red army soldiers, Vlasov himself was a general in the red army – they voluntarily went to the Nazi side, took orders from the Nazi, slaughter millions in the name of Hitler – but somehow Germans NEVER considered russians human…..

    • Vlasov “slaughtered millions”? You are a fool, Mccusa. Every country had its Nazi collaborators, and Russia – fewer than most.

      Poland, however, is known as the country that was the most eager to help Hitler exterminate Jews.

      • Actually no, several million Russians served the Nazi’s quite happily. Ever heard of the “Hiwi”, the Russian volunteers without whom the German army would have been unable to operate on the eastern front?

        They fulfilled every role in the field, from medical and logistics, to serving in rifle companies as infantrymen, scouting and intelligence gathering, and were a vital part of the Wermacht war effort, they also formed several “Anti-Partisan” armies which acted against communist partisans behind German lines.

        Once again Maimuni, you show an appalling lack of historical knowledge.

        • Get lost, troll.

          • Once again Maimuni cannot contest facts, no surprises there.

            • Learn not to engage in infantile and abusive ad hominem attacks if you want grown up people to talk to you, Antdrek.

              • Now Gostapo, you engage in abusive ad hominem attacks whenever it suits you.

                Like the average Russian male, you are little more than a bully.

                I suspect you would have been a hiwi or a kapo if you had lived in the 40’s, you seem the type, though one of Yagoda’s or Yhezov’s killers is probably just as likely.

                BTW, you claim to be in the top 1% of US earners, but I have seen little evidence to back it up, are you one of these “cheating wall street” types you keep whining on about?

                As for your being “grown up”, well I am sure you are grown up only in a Garry Glitter or Mikhail Pletnev kind of way.

                • We have finally reached a mutual agreement, Antdrek: I consider you a stupid troll not worth replying to, and you have the same feelings towards me. Thus, both of us should ignore each other.

                  There are hundreds of millions of mentally deficient psychopaths like yourself. Their stupidity is immediately obvious to any intelligent person. There is no point in wasting my life on arguing about politics and history with total idiots.

                  Post whatever you want, and leave me alone, Antrek, and stay away from me.

                  • Maimuni, your lack of historical education, morals, intelligence, and basic humanity is obvious to all.

                    And no, I will not stay away from you, when you post your inane rubbish, I will call you out.

                    Your outright lies and historical falsifications are an insult to the millions who died under Russian tyrrany.

                    • I am glad to hear that you are preoccupied with me and my posts, Antdrek. Or, at the very least, you consider my posts so eloquent and influential with neutral readers that you have to “refute” each and every one of them with your drivel.

                      I, on the other hand, am sure that normal readers can see your lies and your stupidity from miles away. Thus, I see no point in wasting my time refuting your inane posts.

                  • maimunides wrote;
                    There is no point in wasting my life on arguing about politics and history with total idiots.

                    I have a news for your , maimunides, YOUR LIFE IS WASTED, you are too stupid to comprehend it…

      • @Poland, however, is known as the country that was the most eager to help Hitler exterminate Jews.

        Who told you such BS? Not to mention there was just no country “Poland” in any form following the German occupation (and penalty for Poles helping Jews was death).

        @Every country had its Nazi collaborators, and Russia – fewer than most.

        There were just no Polish Waffen-SS/SD/Orpo divisions, regiments, battalions – unlike the Russian ones (and that’s not even counting other ex-Soviets such as Cossacks for example). Yes we’re talking about thousands of full-blood ethnic Russians who have joined the SS, not even the Heer Hiwis.

      • maimuni, just in case you forgot,does the word ‘pogrom’ ring the bell?? You russian rats murdered millions upon millions of defenseless russian citizens over the century just becasue they weren’t orthodox christians. By the way, I hear that during the russian putsch in kyrgyzystan; kyrgyz and uzbeks turned against the russian population and performed mini pogroms of russians – the russian jews must have felt vindicated…priceless…

        • Yes, Mccusa, the word “pogrom” does ring the bell to all Jews. It is the pogroms/massacres waged by ignorant Poles on the Jewish Holocaust survivors that drove most of the surviving Jews out of Poland:



          – site of a pogrom in 1946 where 42 Holocaust survivors were killed by a mob. The massacre at Kielce convinced most survivors that they had no future in Poland.

          – a medium-sized city in southeast Poland. 22,000 Jews lived there before WWII. When the city was liberated by the Soviet army, only 2 Jews remained. Gradually, about a 150 former residents came back, and they lived in the Jewish community building.

          At the beginning of July 1946 anti-Semitic rumors spread through the town. It was said that a missing Polish boy had been killed by the Jews to use his blood to make matzot. His body was said to be in the basement of the Jewish community building. On July 4 a mob gathered outside the building. The mob attacked and killed 42 Jews and wounded 50 more. Order was restored by the central government in Warsaw. Seven of the main instigators and killers were tried and executed, and the missing Polish boy was later found in a nearby village.

          The pogrom was a turning point in the attempt to rebuild a Jewish community Poland. Kielce convinced most survivors that Poland had no future for them. Of the 244,000 Jews who had returned to Poland after the war, only 80,000 remained by 1951.

          • Kielce pogrom was a communist provocation, literally as the killers in “the mob” were uniformed Polish-communist servicemen (all services, from the Polish GRU to the railway guard service).

            Oh, and the otherwise trigger-happy Soviet military garrison (don’t forget how thousands of Polish citizens were murdered and raped by the unruly Soviet occupational troops in the looting sprees that didn’t end with the end of the war, and no I don’t mean the Polish Germans) didn’t lift a finger to save the Jews from the troops of “the mob” – as ordered.

            (An example of conduct of the “liberation” soldiers of Soviet occupation – they used heavy shells and aircraft bombs to blow up holes all over around Treblinka looking for mass graves and “the Jewish gold”.)

        • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cz%C4%99stochowa_pogrom_%281902%29

          Częstochowa pogrom (1902)

          Częstochowa pogrom refers to the anti-Semitic pogrom that occurred in 1902, in the town of Chenstokhov, Russian Empire (modern Częstochowa, Poland).

          The pogrom started after an altercation between Jewish shopkeeper and a Catholic woman.[1] A mob attacked the Jewish shops, killing fourteen Jews and one gendarme. The Russian military, brought to restore order, were stoned by mob. Soldiers then fired and shot two Polish rioters and wounded several others.[2]

          Because of its large Jewish community and its importance as a place of pilgrimage for Polish Catholics, Częstochowa was the site of repeated anti-Jewish pogroms.[1] Later anti-Jewish riots occurred on November 15, 1918; May 27, 1919; November 1931; Summer 1933; September 1935; June 19, 1937 and September 20, 1937.

          • Actually Maimoneedes/Gostapo, historical evidence shows that the Pogroms were instigated by the Tsarist authorities:

            The term pogrom as a reference to large-scale, targeted, and repeated antisemitic rioting saw its first use in the 19th century.
            The first pogrom is often considered to be the 1821 anti-Jewish riots in Odessa (modern Ukraine) after the death of the Greek Orthodox patriarch in Constantinople, in which 14 Jews were killed. The virtual Jewish encyclopedia claims that initiators of 1821 pogroms were the local Greeks that used to have a substantial diaspora in the port cities of what was known as Novorossiya. The issue of pogroms arose sometime after the Pale of Settlement was created by the Russian government trying to eradicate Jews from the country unless they would convert to Christian Orthodox (compare to Religious segregation). To the Pale were driven not only the Jewish nationals, but also Russians who followed Judaism, such as Subbotniks (Sabbath-men).
            Other sources, such as the Jewish Encyclopedia, indicate that the first pogrom was the 1859 riots in Odessa.


            The term “pogrom” became commonly used in English after a large-scale wave of anti-Jewish riots swept through south-western Imperial Russia (present-day Ukraine and Poland) from 1881-1884 (in that period over 200 anti-Jewish events occurred in the Russian Empire, notably the Kiev, Warsaw and Odessa pogroms).
            The trigger for these pogroms was the assassination of Tsar Alexander II, for which some blamed “the Jews”. The extent to which the Russian press was responsible for encouraging perceptions of the assassination as a Jewish act has been disputed. Local economic conditions (such as ancestral debts owed to moneylenders) are thought to have contributed significantly to the rioting, especially with regard to the participation of the business competitors of local Jews and the participation of railroad workers, and it has been argued that this was actually more important than rumours of Jewish responsibility for the death of the Tsar. These rumours, however, were clearly of some importance, if only as a trigger, and they had a small kernel of truth: One of the close associates of the assassins, Gesya Gelfman, was born into a Jewish home. The fact that the other assassins were all atheists had little impact on the spread of such antisemitic rumours. Nonetheless, the assassination inspired “retaliatory” attacks by Christians on Jewish communities. During these pogroms thousands of Jewish homes were destroyed, many families were reduced to poverty, and large numbers of men, women, and children were injured in 166 towns in the southwest provinces of the Empire such as Ukraine.
            The new Tsar Alexander III initially blamed revolutionaries and the Jews themselves for the riots and issued the May Laws, a series of harsh restrictions on Jews.
            There also was a large pogrom on the night of 15/16 April 1881 (the day of Eastern Orthodox Easter) in the city of Yelizavetgrad (now Kirovograd). On April 17 the Army units were dispatched and were forced to use firearms to extinguish the riot. However, that only incited the whole situation in the region and a week later series of pogroms rolled through parts of the Kherson Governorate.
            On April 26, 1881 even bigger disorder engulfed the city of Kiev. The Kiev pogrom of 1881 is considered the worst one that took place in 1881. The pogroms of 1881 did not stop then. They continued on through the summer, spreading across a big territory of modern-day Ukraine: (Podolie Governorate, Volyn Governorate, Chernigov Governorate, Yekaterinoslav Governorate, and others). During these pogroms the first local Jewish self-defense organizations started to form with the most prominent one in Odessa which was organized by the Jewish students of the Novorossiysk University.
            The pogroms continued for more than three years and were thought to have benefited from at least the tacit support of the authorities, although there were also attempts on the part of the Russian government to end the rioting.
            Altogether, these pogroms claimed the lives of relatively few Jews. Two Jews were killed by the mobs, and 19 attackers were killed by tsarist authorities, but the damage, disruption and disturbance were dramatic.
            The pogroms and the official reaction to them led many Russian Jews to reassess their perceptions of their status within the Russian Empire, and so to significant Jewish emigration, mostly to the United States.
            These pogroms were referred to among Jews as the ‘storms in the negev’, negev being a Biblical word for the south. Changed perceptions among Russian Jews also indirectly gave a significant boost to the early Zionist movement.


            A much bloodier wave of pogroms broke out from 1903–1906, leaving an estimated 2,000 Jews dead and many more wounded, as the Jews took to arms to defend their families and property from the attackers. The 1905 pogrom of Jews in Odessa was the most serious pogrom of the period, with reports of up to 2,500 Jews killed.

            The New York Times described the First Kishinev pogrom of Easter, 1903:
            “The anti-Jewish riots in Kishinev, Bessarabia (modern Moldova), are worse than the censor will permit to publish. There was a well laid-out plan for the general massacre of Jews on the day following the Orthodox Easter. The mob was led by priests, and the general cry, “Kill the Jews,” was taken up all over the city. The Jews were taken wholly unaware and were slaughtered like sheep. The dead number 120 [Note: the actual number of dead was 47–48] and the injured about 500. The scenes of horror attending this massacre are beyond description. Babies were literally torn to pieces by the frenzied and bloodthirsty mob. The local police made no attempt to check the reign of terror. At sunset the streets were piled with corpses and wounded. Those who could make their escape fled in terror, and the city is now practically deserted of Jews.”
            There is also evidence which suggests that the police knew in advance about some pogroms, and chose not to act.
            This series of pogroms affected 64 towns (including Odessa, Yekaterinoslav, Kiev, Kishinev, Simferopol, Romny, Kremenchug, Nikolayev, Chernigov, Kamenets-Podolski, Yelizavetgrad), and 626 small towns (Russian городок) and villages, mostly in Ukraine and Bessarabia.
            Historians such as Edward Radzinsky inform that many pogroms were incited by authorities, even if some happened spontaneously, supported by the Tsarist Russian secret police (the Okhrana). Those perpetrators who were prosecuted usually received clemency by Tsar’s decree.
            Even outside these main outbreaks, pogroms remained common; there were anti-Jewish riots in Odessa in 1859, 1871, 1881, 1886, and 1905 in which thousands were killed in total.
            The 1903 Kishinev pogrom, (also known as the Kishinev Massacre), in present-day Moldova killed 47-49 persons. It provoked an international outcry after it was publicized by The Times and the New York Times. There was a second, smaller Kishinev pogrom in 1905.


          • Really? Try and count pogroms in the rest of the Russian Empire (inlcuding organised by the government forces), then ponder why the very word “pogrom” originated in Russia, on the Black Hundreds, on the “Protocols” provocation by the Okhrana secret police, and so on.

            • @Robert

              The word “pogrom” is a Slavic word meaning “ransacking”. Yes, there were a lot of pogroms in the Russian Empire – in what is now Poland, Moldova, Ukraine -but almost none in what is now Russia. Moreover, pogroms even in Ukraine stopped in the early 1920s when the Russians re-established their rule there and made all expressions of ethnic hate a crime. In Poland, pogroms continued and continued and continued, until almost all Jews had fled Poland.

              • Only if by “a Slavic word” you mean “a Russian word”.

                So, let’s see!


                In 1881, Czar Alexander II was assassinated and the situation for the Jews deteriorated. The assassins encouraged mass rebellions and the situation in Russia became anarchic and chaotic for everyone. The Jews were blamed. Pogroms broke out, consisting mostly of looting but also some murder and rape. The support of the Russian intellectuals shocked many Jews, especially the assimilated Russian maskilim. In May 1882, laws were passed blaming the Jews for the pogroms. This led to restrictions on Jewish landownership, prohibited Jews from living in villages, and the number of Jews studying in secular schools was limited to 10% in the Pale of Settlement and 3-5% everywhere else. This discrimination embittered the Jews to Russian society. In 1891, Jews were systemically expelled from Moscow. The police strictly applied the discriminatory laws and the media engaged in unbridled propaganda against the Jews.

                When Nicolas II took over (1894-1918), the situation for Jews deteriorated. From the Passover pogrom of 1903 on, pogroms became government policy and reached their peak in October 1905. Russian rightists authored the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” a major anti-Semitic forgery popular in some communities to this day. In 1912, a new law passed that prohibited even the grandchildren of Jews from serving as military officers, despite the large numbers of Jews and those of Jewish heritage in the military. The census of 1897 showed that Jews of Russia (numbering 5,189,400) constituted slightly over 4% of the total Russian population (though disproportionately about 18% in the Pale of Settlement) but about one-half of world Jewry.


                With the advent of World War I, Russian Jewry felt that they could increase their substandard role in society if they participated in the defense of Russia. Over 400,000 Jews were mobilized and about 80,000 served in the front lines. Battles occured in the Pale of Settlement, where millions of Jews lived. Yet, when the Russian army was defeated, anti-Semitic commanders blamed the Jews and accused them of treason and spying for the Germans. Jews were even kidnaped and tried for espionage. Shortly after the trials, mass expulsions of Jews living near the front lines were organized. In June 1915, Jews were expelled from northern Lithuania and Courland.

                One month later, the use of Hebrew characters in printing and writing was prohibited, making it impossible to write both Hebrew and Yiddish. Western opinion united against the discrimination against the Jews, which made the procurement of loans from Western countries difficult. Shortly after, the Russians ceased enforcing the laws relating to discrimination of the Jews and Jewish refugees from Poland and Lithuania moved towards central Russia.


                Only a few months after it was formed, the provisional government was severely weakened and anarchy reigned. Anti-Semitism, previously underground, became more prominent. Sporadic pogroms occurred throughout the Russian empire. In October 1917, the Bolshevik Revolution crushed the provisional government. Shortly after, Russia was thrust into a civil war that lasted until 1921. Between October 1917 and 1921, violent anti-Semitism became widespread. While individual soldiers of the Red Army attacked Jews, the official policy of the Red Army was to clamp down on anti-Semitic attacks, resulting in Jewish sympathy for the Red Army and the Soviet Regime. The White Army, on the other hand, was filled with Cossacks and officers, the bastions of anti-Semitism. The White Army was saturated with anti-Semitism and its slogan was “Strike at the Jews and save Russia!”

    • Vlasov personally didn’t murder any civilians, just some/many of his men did – but before coming under his command. He was also one of the people credited with organising Hitler’s defeat at Moscow – before his capture by the Germans.

      Furthermore he has never sworn an oath of loyalty to Hitler (if I remember correctly) – and in the end even allowed one of his generals to rescue the Czechs of Prague from being slaughtered by the SS during their failed uprising. (The so-called “Czech resistance” – actually largely Nazi-collaborator-turncoats themselves, being the spineless little creeps they are, then thanked them by throwing them under the Soviet steamroller and proceeding to massacre the now-defenseless Germans including thousands of civilians and wounded soldiers, in often shockingly brutal ways.)

      “The Vlasovs: that was a part of the German army made up of Russian soldiers who were imprisoned by the Germans and who turned sides. General Vlasov was ill at the time but he sent General Bunachenko and really they helped us for two days. We had practically nothing left. Without their help I do not know what would have happened. After May 7th most left Prague, so we were alone. The others went away and afterwards were captured by the Russians and shot.”

  7. By the way, maimun, the russian army ‘heroism’ during the last war was a cruel joke – the russian soldiers had to move forward – if they stopped, hesitated or tried to dezert they were shot at the backs by the politruks who followed those poor bastards…

  8. Gee Maimoides, when it comes to tit for tat, you sure are a tit.

    • And you are a man with the mental and emotional development of a 10 year old girl, Wal.

      • Yes, of course, what do you expect. As we all know, all the mental giants are in your beloved Fatherland of Russia

        • I assure you, RV, that my ethnic group has no shortage of mental giants.

          • And you are evidence it also has its share of mental pygmies.

          • By the way Gostapo, you should really be careful, after all, many of your ethnic group in Russia are mentally deficient, like this stunning example:

            Russia’s Zhirinovsky urges Muslim world to support Gaddafi

            Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the colorful and flamboyant leader of Russia’s LDPR party, on Saturday called on the Muslim world to unite and support Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi.
            “LDPR turns to all the people of the Muslim countries and urges them to unite and show solidarity with Muammar Gaddafi. The leadership of these countries should make a joint stand against NATO’s military efforts in Libya,” a statement by Zhirinovsky said.
            “Do not ditch Libya face to face with the juggernaut of the North Atlantic bloc. Do not allow NATO to crush the democracy in Libya, especially with regard to the fact, that this country does not threaten anybody. Do not do the short-sighted oversea politicians’ bidding,” the LDPR leader said.
            The tumult in Libya should be brought to stop as any other Muslim country could face the same situation, Zhirinovsky said. “The West is aggressive and resolved. They have not drawn a lesson from the negative experience of military intervention to Afghanistan and Iraq.”
            Leaders from the United States, Britain, France and Arab countries are meeting in Paris today to discuss ways to act on the resolution authorizing “all necessary measures” to protect civilians.
            U.S. President Barack Obama earlier said Gaddafi must stop the violence or face military action.

            MOSCOW, March 19 (RIA Novosti)

          • Of course, most Russians are mentally deficient, like these stunning examples:

            10 March 2011, 16:49

            Representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church supported and approved the actions of Muammar Gaddafi. Protopriest Vsevolod Chaplin, who is known for his scandalous initiatives, stated that the authorities have a right to suppress mutinies by force. Tsn.ua reports that the minister noted that mutinies should be distinguished from people’s uprisings and suggested that this function is to be fulfilled by secret services and intellectual elite.

            In this way, Chaplin commented on statements of one of the ideologists of the pro-Kremlin movement, head of its Orthodox branch, Borys Yakymenko, who supported the cruel actions of Gaddafi with respect to the rebelled Libyans.

            “A state can use force in certain situations, for instance, in suppressing mutinies – I mean mutinies, not people’s uprisings – or conspiracies, or attempts to subdue people against their will. When such things happen, the authorities, with support from society, should return force for force,” stated the protopriest.

            Chaplin explained that the line between a mutiny and people’s uprising should be defined individually in each situation. According to ROC spokesman, a people’s uprising is “a reflection of deep contradictions in the life of the society,” when the authorities do not fulfill their responsibilities and people cannot live under them any more. Mutineers or plotters act not only against the will of the authorities but also against the will of the people, and, in that situation, “society with the help of the authorities must be able to defend itself.” “If they cannot defend themselves, woe to them,” stated the protopriest.

            In answer to the question how to define if people in the streets are participants of people’s uprising or mutineers, the protopriest responded that “ for that, there are public and state institutions: police, secret services and the part of the intellectual elite which is able to unmask a plot or mutiny and call the spade the spade.”

            The protopriest noted that people’s uprising took place in the world many times. One of the vivid examples is “what has recently happened in Egypt.” According to Chaplin, a different situation was in Russia in 1917.


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