EDITORIAL: Putin Stumbles

EDITORIAL

Putin Stumbles

Three stunning events over the course of the past two weeks have revealed profound weakness in the regime of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.  We, his foes, are winning. We have the upper hand, and no thinking person can dispute that.  Putin’s choice now is stark, the same as the one faced by Hosni Mubarek of Egypt:  Bloody repression followed by national collapse, or ouster.

First came the horrific bombing of one of Russia’s most important airports, Domodedovo in Moscow.  In truly ridiculous fashion, Putin’s puppet Dima Mededev blamed the management of the airport, totally ignoring the fact that control of terrorism is a state function and that Russian state law enforcement institutions are riddled with corruption.  The result was that “police assigned to the airport continued to focus on extorting bribes from foreigners arriving from Central Asia, an employee of the airport’s private security service told Lifenews.ru.”  Putin’s total failure to keep the central promise of his regime, control over terrorism, was revealed to the entire world as bogus.  Events like the Dubrovka theater attack have continued unabated.

Then came the toppling of the dictatorial regime in Egypt, which had opposition leader Boris Nemtsov publicly asking of the Egyptian dictator “Please, someone tell me how our leadership differs from his” and boldly declaring “Russia has to get rid of Putin.”  If the backwards, impoverished people of Egypt can stand fearlessly for freedom, so can their colleagues in Russia. Make no mistake:  Putin trembles when he reads that news.

And finally, yet another humiliating disaster for Russia in space.  A fourth critical Russian satellite tumbled into oblivion in less than two months.  Russia has, despite the ludicrous and offensive waste of resources in a country where the average male citizen does not live to see 60, been engaged in a fevered effort to create its own GPS capability, and the result has been absolute and repeated failure.

The world is catching on to Putin’s weakness.  Its newswires were buzzing with innumerable reports, for instance:

Pundits have written time and again about the corrupt nature of the Putin-Medvedev regime, which is good at suppressing dissent but fails miserably at providing security to its largely docile population. The regime is more preoccupied with using puppet clans to fight proxy wars in the impoverished Caucuses. What’s seldom mentioned is that the Kremlin has used the public outcry in the aftermaths of such terrorist acts to scapegoat its favorite adversaries — the United States and its Western allies — which the Kremlin blames for Russia’s poverty.

And yet another exploding issue is the world’s notice, at last, of Putin’s personal corruption.  The world’s media are finally starting to pay attention to Putin’s shockingly brazen construction of personal palaces for use in his golden years, and it follows that Putin is pocketing sufficient sums to maintain these palaces.  Most people conclude many billions, all diverted from the basic needs of Russia’s sick and weakened population.

Our issue today is jam packed with other reports from far and wide, all coming to the same conclusion:  Domodedovo proves the Putin regime is just as much of a failed anachronism as that of Mubarek in Egypt, and just as deserving of relegation to the ash heap of history.  No reasonable person can peruse our contents in today’s issue and come to any other conclusion.

Putin’s efforts to use these terrorist events as a basis for further crackdowns is wearing thin.  Indeed, let’s not forget the damning evidence that Putin has ordered such terrorist events to be carried out by the KGB.  Even a nation of lemmings like Russia can only take so much before there is backlash.

Simultaneously, Putin has totally failed to even address, much less solve, the problem of Russian corruption.  For instance, just days ago the Moscow Times reported on truly shocking, nauseating cost overruns on four major Russian highways.  This corruption not only diverts precious resources from vital social functions like preventing terrorism, but as we show in today’s issue it permeates the very mechanisms and structures designed to fight terrorism.  How difficult would it be, we ask you dear reader, for a committed terrorist to simply bribe Russian law enforcement into allowing their acts to move forward unimpeded, officers who are paid slave wages like Russia’s teachers and doctors because so many national resources are squandered on corruption?

The people of Russia are now seeing the horrific consequences of allowing themselves to be governed by a proud KGB thug like Putin.  As in Mubarek’s Egypt, Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, and all around the world where such dictators hold sway, from Chavez in Venezuela to Kim Jong-il in North Korea, these lunatics always bring their nations to their knees. Russia saw it with their Soviet overlords and now, because of their own actions, they see it again today.

42 responses to “EDITORIAL: Putin Stumbles

  1. Couldn’t catch, what does mean “we” in the top. And stupid, completely confusing link to dictator Mubarek – it’s really something ! Very funny, thank you ))) For many years, Mubarek was the “goog chap” for US and UK leaders backing him th $1.5bn a year for his armed forces alone. So,
    it’s better the West to start such a “Holy War with dictators” from own leaders. Without is, this “war” – just a farce.

    LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:

    Hint: If you want to complain others don’t make sense, trying doing so yourself.

  2. Aborigenus | February 4, 2011 at 10:27 am | Reply

    “Couldn’t catch, what does mean “we” in the top. And stupid, completely confusing link to dictator Mubarek – it’s really something ! Very funny, thank you ))) For many years, Mubarek was the “goog chap” for US and UK leaders backing him th $1.5bn a year for his armed forces alone. So,
    it’s better the West to start such a “Holy War with dictators” from own leaders. Without is, this “war” – just a farce.”
    ————————————-
    SOUNDS REASONABLE AND DOES MAKE SENSE!
    Agree 100%.

  3. ” Even a nation of lemmings like Russia can only take so much before there is backlash.”

    Actually the Russian masses remember all too well how things were before KGB took over…demography plays into that. Any hostile successor would sell out the same way Kodorkovsky and company did hence pretext for nuclear war. I’ve moved away from water and coastline…how about you?

    “We, his foes, are winning. We have the upper hand, and no thinking person can dispute that.”

    Maybe, but 200+ million people might get killed in the process…and we all know who’s really to blame if it goes wrong somewhere don’t we?…like maybe in Japan? The Japanese know all about Bill Clinton and his friends…they don’t tell them everything… and the Japanese have been warned from both sides….count me out of the color revolution murder/starvation plot…that little “we” part.

  4. Nemtsov exposing the hypocrisy, double standards, and cowardice of the West in its relationship with Russia. The US and Europe likes to be tough with countries like Iran, Belarus, Venezeula, Zimbabwe, Iraq, North Korea etc. But will never impose economic sanctions or visa travel restrictions on Russia.

    ‘Russia should face sanctions from the West’
    Boris Nemtsov is one of the leaders of the liberal opposition in Russia and a former deputy prime minister. He has just spent two weeks in a Russian jail after taking part in a political protest.

    He told HARDtalk’s Stephen Sackur that the West should consider sanctions against Russia over its human rights record.

    You can watch the full interview on Monday 7th February 2011 on BBC World News at 1530 and 2130 GMT and on BBC News Channel at 2330 GMT, as well as on Tuesday 8th February 2011 at 0430 and 0930 GMT on BBC World News and at 0430 GMT on BBC News Channel.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/9389667.stm

  5. Nemtsov is paltry individual in russia. And reference to him as “an expert” – is nothing else but a kind of stupidity. And positioning such a miserable flea as an “opposition leader” is a double stupidity or complete autism ))) it’s the same as to say that there is no any opposition at all. Second issue is making groundless bubles about dictator Mubarek. Everything what has been posted here up to day (about situation in Egypt) simply shows unability to understand and incapability to analyse the situation. In reality,
    where is no any other force in Egypt in opposition to Mubarek, excepts “muslim brotherhood” ! And 90-95% of egyptians (whom you applaud to) wish to enforce muslim theocracy…This is where we are with Egypt… Like to shot yourself in foots ? Idiotism.

    • If Nemtsov isn’t an opposition leader, who is?

      Or do you claim Russia has no opposition, because Vladimir Putin is perfect?

      • The reality is that Nemtsov is the “opposition leader” for you, but not for russians. And russian will not accept such kind of “leaders”, knowing him better whan you (simply ex his recent activity in 97-98th). West put money of a “wrong horse”…and do the same stupidity again and again.

    • And 90-95% of egyptians (whom you applaud to) wish to enforce muslim theocracy

      Actually thats around 20-25%.

      Never mind the facts boyo, thats the trademark of Russophile retards like yourself.

      • Andrew, 95% – mislims, 5% – christians… welcome to reality!

        • Sorry oh retarded one, quite a lot of them are fairly secular. In the same way that Russians claim to be Christian without any actual attempt to follow the teachings.

          Russians are imperialist scum.

          • Tell me who does “follow the teaching” (and which kind of “teaching”)? You mentioned “imperia”…hm…the is the only one imperia, presently. And it has no any connection to Russia. Sorry, if the reality does not suit you and does not help in your hand job )

            • LOL, you are a retarded little piece of filth aren’t you.
              So what is Russia doing in the Caucasus then?

              Russian imperialism killed millions in the 20th century dumbo.

              And now it continues to kill.

            • Beware the rise of Russia’s new imperialism
              Robert Horvath
              August 21, 2008
              PERHAPS the worst thing about the anti-American left is not its prejudices but its parochialism. Fixated upon the evils of US global hegemony, its publicists turn a blind eye to the imperialism of regimes opposed to that hegemony.

              Consider this analysis by Guardian columnist Seumas Milne (The Age 16/8): “By any sensible reckoning, this is not a story of Russian aggression, but of US imperial expansion and ever tighter encirclement of Russia by a potentially hostile power.”

              To deny that Russian imperialism is shaping the events unfolding in the Caucasus is to ignore the public pronouncements of Russian leaders and the climate of nationalist hysteria that permeates the Russian media. Within hours of his arrival in Vladikavkaz last week, Vladimir Putin boasted that Russia “for centuries” played a “positive, stabilising role (as) a guarantor of the security, progress and co-operation” in the Caucasus and “would remain so in the future”.

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              That confident affirmation of Russia’s imperial destiny is a tribute to the achievements of a decade of nationalist propaganda in the state-controlled media. No longer is public opinion agitated by the memory of Russia’s 19th-century conquest of the Caucasus, Stalin’s genocidal deportations, and the two brutal Chechen wars. As human rights activist Sergei Kovalev has lamented, the regime’s tribunes “have drummed the values of the imperial state into the social mind”.

              This indoctrination was made possible by the subjugation of the mass media during Putin’s early years in power. As a result of the displacement of liberal journalists by “patriotic” ideologues, Russian television became a forum for the most improbable conspiracy theories, sneering contempt for the West, sycophantic adulation of Putin and the celebration of Russian military power. It also provided a platform for charismatic commentators such as Mikhail Leontev and Vladimir Solovev, vehement converts to the imperial idea.

              The ascent of the new Russian imperialism is exemplified by the philosopher Aleksandr Dugin, who emerged in the radical nationalist underground of the late 1980s. Languishing at the margins of politics during the Yeltsin years, he adopted Eurasianism, an ideology formulated in the 1920s by Russian emigres and popularised in the late Soviet period by the historian Lev Gumilev.

              For Eurasianists, Russia was a unique Slavic-Turkic civilisation of the steppe and the eternal enemy of decadent Europe. In Dugin’s reworking, Eurasianism became a justification for the resurrection of an empire on the ruins of the Soviet Union and for a struggle to the death against the Atlantic democracies.

              Under Putin, Dugin has become a ubiquitous presence in Russia’s circumscribed public sphere. On August 8, he amazed an interviewer on the radio station Ekho Moskvy by accusing Georgia of genocide in South Ossetia, a line that was subsequently taken up by Putin and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. Dugin is also the leader of the Eurasianist Youth Union, a militant Kremlin-sponsored youth movement. The authorities apply massive police force to suppress democratic protests, but Dugin’s lads encounter few obstacles when exercising their right to assembly. On August 10, they protested outside the Defence Ministry in Moscow, chanting “Tanks to Tbilisi!” and “Glory to Russia! Glory to Empire!”

              The doyen of the Russian imperialists is Aleksandr Prokhanov, whose novels, set in the battlefields of the Cold War, earned him a reputation as the Rudyard Kipling of the Soviet empire. A radical opponent of Yeltsin’s “occupation regime”, he became respectable under Putin. In his latest editorial in his newspaper, Zavtra, Prokhanov exulted that “we were not defeated by the West in the Cold War, because the Cold War continues. We lost gigantic territories, but we held Moscow. From here we launched our counterattack.”

              Imperialist passions are also being inflamed by influential nationalist clerics. In February this year, Russian television broadcast Demise of an Empire, a visually spectacular documentary narrated by the Orthodox abbot Tikhon Shevkunov, reputedly Putin’s confessor. Ostensibly an account of the collapse of Byzantium, it was really an allegory about Putin’s Russia: a warning against Western subversion and domestic traitors, and a celebration of empire. Enthused by Tikhon’s “fiery imperial, great power rhetoric”, one nationalist reviewer extolled this travesty of history as “a propaganda masterpiece”.

              The effects of this cult of empire extend far beyond the ranks of the nationalist intelligentsia and official patriotic movements such as Nashi. On the evening of Victory Day, May 9, I witnessed an annual spectacle that has alarmed liberals for years: gangs of aggressive, drunken youths marching around the Moscow metro, rhythmically chanting “Ros-siya, Ros-siya!” As Sergei Kovalev has pointed out, these children of the Putin era do not even realise they are behaving like fascists.

              For too long, we in the West have ignored the xenophobic fulminations and the neo-imperial fantasies disseminated by the Russian state media. For too long, we pretended that the Kremlin’s sabre-rattling was nothing more than a benign concession to the resentments of the downtrodden. It is time to confront the reality that we can no longer attribute the behaviour of the Russian state to the effects of Western power. Russian imperialism has become a fact of life.

              Robert Horvath is a research fellow at La Trobe University.

              http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/beware-the-rise-of-russias-new-imperialism-20080820-3yw6.html?page=-1

  6. Retarded, dumbo, etc…i.m. nothing to say ! Good ! How does “Caucasus” and problems around it concern you, net-hamster, personally ? “Caucasus” is bloody so huge area with so many different people liveing there, what your “blah-blah gadget” used instead of brains, can not evaluate the picture. I’m from Caucasus…and I’m not russian. So, i’s better for you not to touch issues you have no idea about – a silent fool is counted wise.

    • Oh retarded one, I know a lot of people from the Caucasus, north and south, I have worked with refugees from Russian imperialism, and I live in a country that is a victim of past and present Russian imperialism.

      Russian imperialism effects directly many people whom I care about.

      So what is your nationality little scumbag?

      • Andrew,
        Rebuilding that barbaric idiocy called russian/soviet empire might be hampered a little; look at moscow – truly central asian city where 8 out of 10 are Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks – how russia is going to deal with this problem?? THE FACT THAT DURING THE RUSSIAN INSTIGATED PUTSCH IN KYRGYZYSTEN – KYRGYZ AND UZBEKS TURNED AGAINST RUSSIANS AND PERFORMED A POGROM AGAINST ETHNIC RUSSIANS tells us that to reconquer Central Asia russia will be confronted with China – a truly losing battle. Russian army that practically is non existant is half muslim already; if you add alcoholims, drug use and HIV – it looks a ‘potent’ army russian style… Should I mention the ‘mighty’ russian Black Sea fleet – the most modern war ship is almost 40 years old – a laughing stock of the world…

  7. “Refugees from Russian imperialism”…how old are you, chap ? Changed out 200 ? Vampire ? I told you switch off “blah-blah gadget” and think first ! Caucasians does not mean chechenians the only (and chechenians does not mean even sugnificant part of “caucasians”). Moreover, attempt to make virtual summarisation “Caucasus” – silly thing. You may mention only northern part, concerning “rissian impire” which is dead for a century already. And what is most stupid is to try to specify “Caucausus”, because is the same as putin’s generals do saying “caucasian face/nationality” )))
    And the last example of perfect stupidity, known from an article to article here: you (and the “west”) try to opposite nemtsov like crooks to putin…and do so “either / or” manner. I can assure you, in such stupid artifical situation, russians will choose putin (because they know perfectly what does mean such crooks “in-force”…and will never accept return to the same disaster). So, logically…at the end you play in Putin’s favour !

    • Sorry moron, as usual you fail to show any intelligence (or English language skills one might add, obviously you are a product of the Russian education system).

      I have worked with Ingush, Chechen, Daghesh, and Georgian refugees.
      All were victims of Russian imperialism in the 90’s and 2000’s, some as recently as 2008.

      You are a sniveling little piece of filth, unable to answer a simple question such as “if you are Caucasian, what is your ethnicity”

      Go on scumbag, tell us your ethnicity/nationality.

  8. To Mr.Andrew:
    There’s three kinds of men: the one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation and the rest of them have to tinkle on the electric fence for themselves.
    YOU EVER WELCOME TO TSKHINVAL! :0(
    Mishiko must give you one more chance.

    • Well, I guess you are the sort that “tinkle on the electric fence” given your obviously damaged intellect ReTarded pSycho.

      Observation and reading for me.

      Russia is a whorehouse of a state that has spread more misery over the last 300 years than any other, and is responsible for an ideology that was and is every bit as bad as Nationalist Socialism.

      Funny how Russians support ethnic cleansing and mass murder. Of course, given the low state of cultural and social development in Russia we should not be surprised that the majority of Russians support such barbaric behavior.

  9. Funny ! I’m mostly greek. Does it sense ? Going to perform kraniometric measurements ? Repeat, a silent fool is counted wise. Who and what are you to valuate “itelligence” or “education” or “ethnic quality” of others ? Intelligence/education presumes wide mental outlook. And availability of wide mental outlook eliminates any chance for ethnic or race fobia, which strangles you so much. Though…it’s up to you. Enjoy it )))
    And do not worry about my english. It’s just one more language for me. It’s not so compulsory – like a kind of hobby. And, in no way, it’s a criteria of intelligence.

    • No, I just want to know which nationality of the Caucasus you are.

      Your race will pretty much determine your experience in relation to the Russians.

      I do not evaluate your “ethnic quality” in any way, I just want to know if you are a traitor to your people, or another lying Russian vermin.

    • BTW, you are obviously too stupid to use the “reply” button.

  10. Bravo ! Self exlaining picture ))) Nothing to add to my previous notes…

    • Yes, nothing additional is needed to prove you are an idiot Ab.

      So what does a “mostly Greek” know about the Caucasus? Where in the Caucasus are you supposedly from little one?

  11. Sure, ばか ! To link “greeks” & “caucasus” it’s bloody too difficult ))) Much more difficult than such a compulsory skill in using “reply” botton (as an evidence of native intelligence and proper education).

    • Oh diddums 遅延, there were and are Greek communities mainly in Georgia, along the black sea coast plus some in Tbilisi and also very tiny communities in Armenia and Azerbaijan.

      But specifically I want to know where in the Caucasus you come from. That will tell us what your probable bias is.

      You show little evidence of “native intelligence and proper education”.

      To link Russia and imperialism in the Caucasus is not too bloody difficult child. Grow a brain.

  12. Yes, Black Sea coast. But dig it deeper a bit…Your “mainly” is correct due to greeks came there in the end of XIX century from Turkey. But greeks hystory there counts from BC – as on the norther part (Krimea area), as well as on the east and north-east coast (Caucasus area). So, my own roots from the place known to greeks as Kalo-Limeno. Most part of greek relatives have roots from Kuban and from mid of Abkhasia…where I spent a lot of time and know all the local problems ex own expirience. So, it’s a kind of pity nonsence to see your wretched attempts to explain me or to teach me on the issues, which I know natively )

    • Moron, the Greek presence in Georgia on its coastal area dates to the bronze age. Settlements from antiquity, mostly trading communities originally, and their descendants in Georgia are to be found in Sukhumi, Poti, Batumi, Kutaisi etc etc etc. True, the majority of modern Georgian Greeks date from a later period, but not all of them, and this is also the case with the Greek communities of the North Caucasus, Kuban, and the Crimea, the vast overwhelming majority (including you little one) are descendants of 18th or 19th century immigrants to the region.

      You are just another moronic Russian shill AB.

      Try getting an education.

      And you are still too retarded to use the reply button. What are you? A remedial student?

  13. Greenhorn teaches me my hystory ? Read the first what has been posted by me. I know much better than you where and when greeks came there. It was from 3rd to 5th century BC (depending of the part of Euxeinos Pontos ).
    My note was about your “mainly in Georgia” – which is very usual mistake for such net-hamsters like you ) . Those greeks are the greeks as the others, but have no roots/connection to Caucasus, which the chat is about ! At least their “roots” in Caucasus are much-much younger. Is it so, bloody, difficult to keep the line ? Or you are simply not able to ? PS: do not worry about my education too much. Your own lever is very significant from the above )))

    • No retard, the other Greeks in the Caucasus have the same history in general, especially those in the north Caucasus, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.

      The vast, overwhelming majority of Greeks in the Caucasus, especially those in what is still Russia, came as refugees from the Ottoman empire in the 18th & 19th C, or as refugees from the Khemalist regime in Turkey in the 20th C.

      You know nothing of any substance you reject.

  14. And the last thing to you, just to clarify my point… Since you mentioned that greeks are presented in Caucausus since Bronze Age, it’s better to point too, that ALL the local population of east and north-east coast of Euxeinos Pontos were “circassians” (wide adyghe-abkhazian group), having no any connection to georgians/Georgia. So, following this stupid political “mainstream” what will be the next according to your “logic”? To fight against “Georgian Empire” ? Stupidity… And the last point: many thousands of pontian greeks (as being presented in Causausus since BC and being therefore locals there), left Caucasus in 90-th. And no one of them was running “out from russian empire”. I think it’s enough for a man with brains to understand that “russian empire” cliche (for today, for Caucausus) is a kind of political trickery to warm up ethnic anymosity with falling down to multiple tribal societies, killing each other. Is this your idea ?

    • Idiot, the ancestors of modern Georgians were to be found in Abkhazia, Samengrelo, Guria and Adjara as long ago as the 12thC BC.

      The proto-Georgian tribes first appear in written history in the 12th century BC.[5] Archaeological finds and references in ancient sources reveal elements of early political and state formations characterized by advanced metallurgy and goldsmith techniques that date back to the 7th century BC and beyond.[6] Between 2100 and 750 BC, the area survived the invasions by the Hittites, Urartians, Medes, Proto-Persians and Cimmerians. At the same period, the ethnic unity of Proto-Kartvelians broke up into several branches, among them Svans, Zans/Chans and East-Kartvelians. That finally led to the formation of modern Kartvelian languages: Georgian (originating from East Kartvelian vernaculars), Svan, Megrelian and Laz (the latter two originating from Zan dialects). By that time Svans were dominant in modern Svanetia and Abkhazia, Zans inhabited modern Georgian province of Samegrelo, while East-Kartvelians formed the majority in modern eastern Georgia. As a result of cultural and geographic delimitation, two core areas of future Georgian culture and statehood formed in western and eastern Georgia by the end of the 8th century BC. The first two Georgian states emerged in the west known as the Kingdom of Colchis and in the east as the Kingdom of Iberia.

      Early Georgian kingdoms of Colchis and Iberia

      Early Georgian States of Colchis and Iberia
      A second Georgian tribal union emerged in the 13th century BC on the Black Sea coast under the Kingdom of Colchis in western Georgia.[7][8] The kingdom of Colchis, which existed from the 6th to the 1st centuries BCE is regarded as the first early Georgian state formation and the term Colchians was used as the collective term for early Georgian-Kartvelian tribes such as Mingrelians, Lazs and Chans who populated the eastern coast of the black sea.
      According to the scholar of the Caucasian studies Cyril Toumanoff:
      “ Colchis appears as the first Caucasian State to have achieved the coalescence of the newcomer, Colchis can be justly regarded as not a proto-Georgian, but a Georgian (West Georgian) kingdom….It would seem natural to seek the beginnings of Georgian social history in Colchis, the earliest Georgian formation.”
      The ancient Greeks knew of Colchis, and it featured in the Greek legend of Jason and the Argonauts, who travelled there in search of the Golden Fleece. Starting around 2000 BC, northwestern Colchis was inhabited by the Svan and Zan peoples of the Kartvelian tribes. Another important ethnic element of ancient Colchis were Greeks who between 1000 and 550 BC established many trading colonies in the coastal area, among them Naessus, Pitiys, Dioscurias, Guenos, Phasis (modern Poti), Apsaros, and Rhizos (modern Rize in Turkey). In the eastern part of Georgia there was a struggle for the leadership among the various Georgian confederations during the 6th–4th centuries BC which was finally won by the Kartlian tribes from the region of Mtskheta. According to the Georgian tradition, the Kingdom of Kartli (known as Iberia in the Greek-Roman literature) was founded around 300 BC by Parnavaz I, the first ruler of the Parnavazid dynasty.[17]
      Between 653 and 333 BC, both Colchis and Iberia survived successive invasions by the Median Empire, and later the Persian Empire. At the end of the 3rd century BC southern Iberia witnessed the invading armies of Alexander the Great, who established a vast Greco-Macedonian empire to the south of the Caucasus. Neither Iberia nor Colchis was incorporated into the empire of Alexander or any of the successor Hellenistic states of the Middle East. However, the culture of ancient Greece still had a considerable influence on the region, and Greek was widely spoken in the cities of Colchis. In Iberia Greek influence was less noticeable and Aramaic was widely spoken.
      Between the early 2nd century BC and the late 2nd century AD both Colchis and Iberia, together with the neighboring countries, became an arena of long and devastating conflicts between major and local powers such as Rome, Armenia and the short-lived Kingdom of Pontus. In 189 BC, the rapidly growing Kingdom of Armenia took over more than half of Iberia, conquering the southern and southeastern provinces of Gogarene, Taokhia and Genyokhiaas, as well as some other territories. Between 120 and 63 BC, Armenia’s ally Mithridate VI Eupator of Pontus conquered all of Colchis and incorporated it into his kingdom, embracing almost all of Asia Minor as well as the eastern and northern Black Sea coastal areas.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Georgia_(country)#Early_Georgian_kingdoms_of_Colchis_and_Iberia

  15. Actually, most of them were going to Greece, where they could get a far better standard of living.

    Those that left Abkhazia were driven out by the Apsua/Abkhaz separatists, only a tiny percentage of Greeks or Georgians remain in Abkhazia from their pre war populations, a war that was instigated by Russian divide and rule imperialist policies.

    With regards to the population of the north east coast not having “any connection with Georgians” on the northern side of the Greater caucasus range that was possibly correct in prehistory, however Georgian communities were present in, and the largest part of, the population of what is now Abkhazia in classical times, as well as that of Sochi, a fact borne out by archaeology and the writings of Greek, Roman, Byzantine, and later Turkish scholars.

    It is Russia that stirs up ethnic animosities retard.

    Case in point, in areas under Russian control, such as Abkhazia and South Ossetia, ethnic cleansing is normal, while in areas under Georgian control this does not happen, look at the ethnic mix in Tbilisi where there are more Ossetians than in South Ossetia/Samachablo, and who serve in the government, military, police etc.

    If you deny that Russia spreads violence between ethnic groups in the Caucasus in order to further its geopolitical (imperialism) ends, then you are a fool.

  16. Bluh-bluh-bluh again… Excuses to pre-hystory or history just reflect absence of well grounded starting point in undertsnding the situation. You refers to the situation (in case of Abkhazia) by the end of XX…same time you do not like to apply the same onto the other regions and other ethnic groops of Causasus ? You’re the cheat…but not clever enougt because of having no well chained arguments, in excess of standard and well known demagogue set). The only correct point in your last post is “ethnic mix” term, which concerns mostly whole the Caucasus. And giving the priority to one group, automatically means a kind of genocide to all the others. As per your “logic”, georgians are the superior nation vs abkhazians & osetians ? Shall I remind you who spill the blood first ? You mentioned chechenian and ingushian refugees…that is really lamentable problem, I agree. But’s about other vainakhs, who does not happy to live in “caucasian shariyat” ? You mentioned dagestanians…but they were the first who gave rebaff to the terrorists (sorry, these terrorists are the same “separatists” for you) invading from Chechnya, which was FREE from your beloved “russian empire” that time. And what’s about north osetians and their refugees surviving in russia ? Or they are not humans but just “animals” ? You are out of any logic ! Some “separatists” are good for you, others are bad… Some of them are “terrorists”, others are “fighters for freedom”.

    • Actually moron, the first shots were fired when Apsua attacked non Apsua students (mostly Georgians) at the university campus in Sukhumi in 1989.

      Of course a lying little idiot like yourself would not understand that.

      Russia used the divide and conquer principle well in the Caucasus, and the people of the Caucasus are still suffering the effects of this evil genocidal Russian occupation.

      As for the north Ossetians, these are the same lot who evicted their Ingush neighbors (who happened to be the native population of the area) in 1989 with the support of Moscow and the red army?

      Nowhere in this thread did I say any one group of the Caucasus was superior to another, and if you had any human decency you would see why they are sick of what Russia has been doing to them for several centuries, rather than invent facts.

      Funny how you post BS without giving any links to supporting evidence, but thats not unusual for a Russophile.

  17. Bravo…In March 89 (in Lykhny) abkhasians decided to get out from Georgia. In May 89 – a part of local abkhazian university in Sukhumi became somehow “magnifically” to be a part of georgian university (by the decision taken by georgians purely). On that stage the conflict was not so critical, because of both counter-parties were yong – students. Meantime, your “starting point” is nothing elase but a trick ! A year earlier, abkhasians started from pointing the problem LEGALLY and OFFICIALLY since August 88th. And this purely democratic process rich the logical end in March (see fist line of this post). And on 25th March (also prior to your “starting point”) georgians, driven by nationalist made a manifestation in Sukhumi. And what has been “declared” by them – was enough their opponents to blaze up. To explain the kind/source/background/driver of this georgins manifestation is enough to say that the same meetings took place same day in Tbilisi, Gali, Poti, etc…and same faces behind: Gamsahurdia, Kostava, Chanturiуa. Where they lead the people to – perfectly known. So, repeat my main question where us to dance from ? Just tell me historical point, applicabe for all/any people…Bronze Age, BC, Middle Ages, IWW, IIWW, end of XX ? Without it, the only way is…to measure skulls for “superior nations”. PS: you forget to shift from one demagogue skill to another…attempts to blame me personally do not works – I’m too old, for such greenhorn like you to play same tricks with me.

  18. Just a minor note…Abkhazian University which was mentioned above was THE ONLY ABKHASIAN UNIVERSITY they have for that moment. Simply try to evaluate what do they feel bearing in mind that Abkhazia joined USSR as the Republic with all the rights as the others (as Georgia), but was downgraded to the autonomy within Georgia with such thing as total prohidition of own language for a long time, and other “pleasant” constraint issues known as “gruzinization” rised by Stalin.

    • Sorry AB, but killing unarmed students, no excuse.
      Prior to the Russian invasion of Georgia in 1921, Abkhazia was part of the following Georgian states
      1. Cholchis
      2. The Kingdom of Egrisi-Abkhazia
      3. The Kingdom of Imereti
      4. The unified Georgian Kingdom
      5. The Kingdom of Imereti
      6. The Kutaisi govenorate (Russian occupation)
      7. The Menshevik Republic of Georgia as an autonomous region.

      Now the funny thing is that Abkhazian is a state language of Georgia, while today the Abhkaz suffer Russification at the behest of Putin.

      Furthermore, get your history right, Abkhazia and Georgia were invaded by the Red army in 1921 and placed in a special union together. By Lenin one might add, a Russian. The Georgian SSR was the senior party, taking over some rather important areas of administration.

      Finally, on December 16, 1921, Abkhazia signed a special treaty of alliance delegating some of its sovereign powers to the Georgian SSR. The treaty defined Abkhazia’s status as a “contractual republic” (Russian: договорная республика) and established a military, political and financial union between the two Soviet republics, subordinating the SSR of Abkhazia to the Georgian SSR in some of these areas. Thus, through the Georgian SSR, Abkhazia joined the Transcaucasian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic on March 12, 1922 and the Soviet Union on December 30, 1922.

      Abkhazia’s ambiguous status of a “contractual republic” was written down into that republic’s April 1, 1925 Constitution which specified that “the SSR of Abkhazia, having united with the SSR of Georgia on the basis of a special treaty of union” was, through it, a part of the Transcaucasian SFSR and the USSR. However, the 1924 Soviet Constitution earlier referred to Abkhazia as an autonomous republic.
      On February 19, 1931, Abkhazia’s republican status was downgraded, on the orders of Joseph Stalin, to that of an Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic within the Georgian SSR, reputedly as punishment of the Abkhaz Communist leadership under Nestor Lakoba for their failure to overcome the peasants’ resistance to collectivization.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Soviet_Republic_of_Abkhazia

      Try again AB, your are starting to look a little silly. You also fail to mention the fact that the largest number of immigrants to Abkhazia, and the ones that have destroyed Abkhazian culture, are the Russians who moved there during the soviet period (and under Stalin too).

      Look at Abkhazia today, all offical correspondence, news, and education is in Russian.

      You are a fool.

  19. Still wait for short and clear answer for “starting point” to apply, from which to count whom has a kind of “hystorical priority” to overtake the others in their wishes, priorities and rights. Understand you suggest the situation on 1921-st ? Pls confirm that it’s correct…

    • Lets see, considering both ethnic groups have a very long association, joint kingdoms and shared culture and history, I don’t want either group to be subjugated, being related by marriage to both ethnicities.

      However, from a strictly moral point of view, the situation in 1989 is a good starting point, Apsu made up 17% of the population of Abkhazia, and the Georgians 48%, what gives a small minority the right to commit mass ethnic cleansing?

      Unfortunately for the separatists, they have fallen into the jaws of Russia, and will pay the inevitable price, as they are already doing with a series of controversial sales of companies and land to Putins lackeys, and the loss of control of their (recognised only by Russia and Nauru, with promises of eventual recognition by Venezuela and Nicaragua) borders.

  20. And…few stones into your “kitchen garden” :
    1) As soon as Georgia declared independence in 1918, it was immidiately occupied by Germany (May-December 1918) and then, straight after germans – by UK (till May 1920).
    2) On 21 May 1920, was declared Abkhasian SSR – without any connection to Georgia, without any “autonomy within” etc;
    3) On 16 November 1921, Ordzhenikidze decided to downgrade Abkhazia & South Osetia to contractual republics within Georgia.

    So…do you support bolshevicks/communists ? Or just of those of them who was georgians: Ordzkhenikidzhe, Beriya, Dzhugashvili ?
    PS: thanks god, ethnics like ossetians, abkhasians, ingush, etc, are still exist, nothwithstanding commie “activities”, and did not disapear completely as mingrelians. Commies installed many similar “bombs”…

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