Finally, Russia admits the Sochi Horror
Now, not even the professional liars who rule the Russian Kremlin can deny it: the world’s athletes will be risking their lives in 2014 if they are foolish enough to attend the Sochi Olympiad.
Last week, it was reported that Alexander Bortnikov, head of the FSB, had “warned that terrorists intend to disrupt preparations for the 2014 Sochi Olympics.”
Just 37% of Russians believe their government will surely bring off the Sochi games successfully. Two-thirds, in other words, believe the games may well be a bloody disaster. Desperate residents of Sochi have been forced into a hunger strike to protect their homes from barbaric seizure. Recently, two high-profile defectors revealed massive financial corruption and horrific risk to safety from faulty construction. Environmental damage to the Sochi ecology has been well documented, and the profligate misdirection of vital national resources is obvious.
But now, at last, the most critical issue regarding the Sochi outrage has been fully exposed: The risk of bloody terrorism.
You may wonder why Bortnikov would openly admit this horrifying risk, but the answer is simple. So nobody can blame Russia when people start getting killed. Russia can say: “It’s not like we didn’t warn you.”
It would have been nice, of course, if Mr. Bortnikov had warned the world about the dire risk of horrific lethal violence in Sochi before Russia was awarded the games. What actually occurred is like a person selling a car that has no engine inside and neglecting to tell the buyer until the money has changed hands, money paid with expectation of a motor.
Russia doesn’t care, however, how many people might be butchered in Sochi. It simply wants to use the games for propaganda purposes the same way Hitler tried to do, and if dozens are massacred that will only serve further propaganda goals, namely to justify an even more barbaric crackdown on the Caucasus region.
The leaders of the Western nations, however, must think differently. Now, at last, while there is still time, they must withdraw the Olympic games from Russia. It is an outrage for Russia to host the games after its wanton imperialist aggression against tiny Georgia, and it is an abomination to to allow Western athletes to risk their lives so the KGB Kremlin can score public relations points. Russia is proposing to host the games on territory that many native Caucasus people consider sacred ground, and they are mortally offended. The entire region is peppered with rebel violence, daily assassinations and explosions that Russia is totally unable to curtail.
If the leaders of the Western nations do not take action to divest Russia of the games, they will have blood on their hands in 2014.
Thanks for the reference, LR. Here are some major points from it:
A poll was carried out by the Public Opinion foundation May 28-30. According to the poll 80 per cent of respondents are sure that the Olympic Games in Sochi will be delivered successfully, one in two Russians want to go to Sochi for the Olympics, 70 per cent believe the Games will have a positive economic impact on Sochi, and 76 per cent think that the Games will increase Sochi’s popularity as a tourist destination.
“Just 37% of Russians believe their government can bring off the Sochi games successfully.”
Here are the VTSIOM statistics:
Most Russians, as before, are sure that our country will be able to adequately organize the Olympic Games in Sochi, but with each year of the respondents are less (from 92% in 2007 to 84% in 2010).
Question: Do you think that Russia will successfully deliver the Winter Games in 2014?
Certainly will – 37%
Most likely, will – 47%
Most likely, will not – 6%
Certainly will not – 1%
Not sure – 8%
LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:
Thanks for revealing that Russians are not nearly as reasonable and informed as we imagine! You’ve confirmed the hypothesis of this blog (that the vast majority of Russians are evil morons) better than we did ourselves. Molodets!
By the way, it’s really sad that you choose it ignore THE POINT of this post, the risk of terrorism in Sochi, and to focus instead only on a very minor point in the analysis. It makes you seem like a ridiculous child that nobody can or should take seriously, someone who is afraid of the main point and trying to deflect attention from it. Is that what you are trying to do?
If you don’t trust the Russian public opinion, why did you publish an article about it in the first place?
“Just 37% of Russians believe their government can bring off the Sochi games successfully. Two-thirds, in other words, believe the games will be a bloody disaster. ”
Two-thirds, in other words, believe the games will be a bloody disaster? If you read your own referenced article, you would have read:
A poll was carried out by the Public Opinion foundation May 28-30. According to the poll 80 per cent of respondents are sure that the Olympic Games in Sochi will be delivered successfully, one in two Russians want to go to Sochi for the Olympics.
So, how did you conclude that “two-thirds believe the games will be a bloody disaster“?
LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:
It’s really quite simple:
(a) We are quoting a source. They reported this fact, not us, you cretin. Try to read a little more before you comment, it may help you look less foolish.
(b) Only 37% of Russians are sure the games will be safe. Two thirds are not sure. There is nothing at all incorrect about what we’ve written. You may believe additional information should be known and you’ve made it known, that’s great. Your opinion is nothing more than the musing of a blogless unknown commenter, not fact from Heaven. But it’s certainly fair to suggest we were too soft on the Russians, and could have spun that poll to indicate they are a nation of bleating ignorant sheep. Is that what you’re urging us to do in the future?
(c) Given that THE FSB ITSELF admits they are not safe, this response of Russians is perfectly rational.
(d) If you believe Russians are generally irrational and malignantly stupid, we agree! Thanks for proving it to us! But you’re preaching to the choir. Do you realize you’re being harsher on Russians than we were, and encouraging us to to be tougher, you witless troll?
Just out of curiosity, you obviously don’t expect Vladimir Putin to be flawless, and to resign if he is ever less than perfect. Why, then, do you expect something else from this blog?
huh? LR, please post the link to the Moscow Times report.
LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:
Are you stupid or something? The figure has a link to the source. Please don’t comment in bad faith, it’s really annoying.
A minor point in the analysis? It’s only the basis for your incorrect contention that “…two-thirds, in other words, believe the games will be a bloody disaster.” It doesn’t say that anywhere. It does say, also incorrectly, that 80% of Russians are sure it will be a success. That’s not supported by the poll results, either.
So what we’re left with is a decision on how to interpret “most likely”, as the majority voted. Is it an expression of confidence, or of doubt? Since “likely not” is already included as a separate category, with its own percentage of believers, it can’t be that.
Here’s what the Thesaurus says for “most likely”.
Main Entry: likely
Part of Speech: adverb
Synonyms: assumably, doubtless, doubtlessly, in all likelihood, in all probability, like as not, most likely , no doubt, presumably, presumptively, prima facie, seemingly, to all appearances
Notes: apt is for general probabilities, likely is for specific probabilities; liable and prone indicate a probability arising as a regrettable consequence
use likely if you mean ‘probable, expected’; use liable if you mean ‘bound by law or obligation’
Antonyms: improbably, unlikely
Note that the only place “unlikely” appears is as an antonym.
More than 80% of Russians are reasonably confident that the government can bring off the Sochi games successfully.
Don’t you think that since the FSB ITSELF admits the games have been targeted by terror, 80% is a ridiculously high figure if correct? Doesn’t it prove Russia is a nation of idiotic, muttering sheep? After all, if the terrorists could bomb subways in Moscow, how hard could it be to attack on open stadium in their own backyard?
“that the vast majority of Russians are evil morons” This blog has gone from being highly critical to downright insulting! If this is the hypothesis of your blog I disassociate myself from it! Anger has turned to slander here!
“Now, at last, while there is still time, they must withdraw the Olympic games from Russia.”
I know you’d love for that to happen, but it doesn’t look likely. “We continue to have full confidence in the Russian authorities and their ability to handle the security situation in Sochi,” IOC spokesman Mark Adams told The Associated Press.”
“Recently, two high-profile defectors revealed massive financial corruption and horrific risk to safety from faulty construction.”
You neglected to mention that one of those “high-profile defectors” was in fact the inspiration and beneficiary of much of the corruption,
as majority shareholder and owner of Moskonversprom. He was a bloodsucker in the article above, but evolved into an altruistic whistleblower by this one;
where he’s a “businessman” and a “construction entrepreneur”.
Canada spent just under a Billion on security for the Olympics, and had planned to spend only about $175 Million.
However, terrorism was a serious risk there, too, as it now is everywhere large numbers of people gather for an event.
Russia plans to spend somewhere between 7 and 10 times as much money on the Olympic Games as Canada did in 2010. I can’t find an actual breakdown of the expenses, although I did look, but I presume this suggests they plan to spend at least 3 times as much on security as did Canada, and perhaps much more.
Meanwhile, the article you referenced is clear in suggesting it is the preparations for the Olympic games that terrorism is currently threatening, not the event itself. The objective is to force the cancellation of the games in Russia, and in this goal, you are an enabler.
LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS: “
[We] could have spun that poll to indicate they are a nation of bleating ignorant sheep. Is that what you’re urging us to do in the future?”
No. I suggest that you don’t spin facts but report them objectively. In fact, that’s what I have tried to do in this thread: quote the source article and the VTsIOM statistics with as little spin or commentary as possible.
LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:
This comment violates our guidelines. Please do NOT try to tell us how to run our blog. This blog does not REPORT the news it ANALYZES the news and argues against the Putin regime. That is our purpose and it is CLEARLY STATED in our header. Your brain is sick. By the way, when was the last time you called for the Putin regime or Russian nationalists to be objective?? We are not objective on the subject of Vladimir Putin AND HAVE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE, we despise him. We are no more objective about Putin than Martin Luther King was about racism. We do, of course, strive for accuracy, and are one of most accurate sources of information about Russia in the world. We are not perfect and are happy to correct the record when we err and to have our errors pointed out when we make them.
” Only 37% of Russians are sure the games will be safe. ”
The questionnaire was not about safety. The question asked by the VTsIOM poll was: “Как Вы считаете, сможет ли Россия достойно организовать проведение Зимних Игр в 2014 году?” – “Do you think that Russia will be able to “достойно” organize the 2014 Olympics?”
The word “достойно” means”well” or “successfully”. There are many more facets to organizing a successful Olympics than just safety. And 37% of respondents said that they were certain that Russia would be successful, plus another 47% said that they saw it to be most likely.
LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:
Now who’s spinning facts, idiot? It’s perfectly clear that one reason the games might fail is TERRORISM. And why are there two categories if the second is not indicative of less certainty than the first? Can you think at all???
“Thanks for revealing that Russians are not nearly as reasonable and informed as we imagine! ”
Well, if you know for certain that the next Winter Olympics will not be successful, then these Russians who have the opposite opinion to yours, are not “reasonable and informed”. And you are entitled to your prediction of the future. We’ll see in 4 years who is a better sage: you or those who expect the Sochi Olympics to be successful.
LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:
The simple fact remains that we could have used this poll to attack Russians but instead we used it to compliment them, and you attacked us for that. Did you think AT ALL before you did so? No!
You really should try to understand that when Russia is criticized on human rights and you respond by saying “what about Saudi Arabia” that is the same as saying “I know Russia is guilty so I want to change the subject.”
Can’t you see what an insulting waste of time that is? It didn’t work in Soviet times and it won’t work now.
I wrote: “No. I suggest that you don’t spin facts but report them objectively.”
LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:
“This comment violates our guidelines.”
I am sorry. I didn’t realize how passionate you are about spinning facts. I will never again recommend objectivity to you.
“Two thirds are not sure. There is nothing at all incorrect about what we’ve written.”
Among what you wrote was: “Two-thirds, in other words, believe the games will be a bloody disaster.”
Do those two statements sound the same to you?
“You may believe additional information should be known and you’ve made it known, that’s great.”
Exactly. All I want is to provide information to the readers and let them decide for themselves what the facts are.
“Given that THE FSB ITSELF admits they are not safe, this response of Russians is perfectly rational.”
Nobody is totally safe from Islamic extremist terrorism. For example, here in USA, we are often told that we are at war with terrorists and we even have a special Department of Homeland Security that constantly warns us about the danger of terrorism. If you have been to airports in USA and Europe, you must be aware of how much security precautions have to be taken to diminish the threat of terrorism.
“If you believe Russians are generally irrational and malignantly stupid, we agree!”
I said no such thing. All I did was quote their opinions as to the likelihood of success of Sochi Olympics.
“Thanks for proving it to us! But you’re preaching to the choir. Do you realize you’re being harsher on Russians than we were, and encouraging us to to be tougher, you witless troll?”
Where was I “harsh on Russians”? Are you assuming that anybody, who predicts that the Sochi Olympics will work well, is “a witless troll”?
“Just out of curiosity, you obviously don’t expect Vladimir Putin to be flawless, and to resign if he is ever less than perfect. Why, then, do you expect something else from this blog?”
I don’t. I want you to remain exactly the way you are. Otherwise this blog will get less entertaining. All I did was give the readers facts about the GAMESBIDS article and the VTsIOM poll.
Georgia fears a new russian invasion this summer
No doubt the Daily Telegraph knows more about the situation than the European Union Monitoring Mission (EUMM).
Still, I’d submit if Russia planned to annex Georgia, it would have done so in 2008. I can’t see any such conflict developing, unless Georgia starts it again.
Despite Saakashvili’s attempt to downplay Kitsmarishvili’s testimony, claiming he was “never privy to strategic decision-making”
(really? The ambassador for your country to the country with whom you have such tense relations?), and perhaps noting his having bragged about his intentions for the breakaway provinces just before the war
– not to mention presiding over a judicial system that the International Republican Institute rated above only the mafia for corruption –
international consensus finds that Georgia was the aggressor.
Besides, why would Russia want to take on responsibility for four and a half million impoverished Georgians?
It staggers the imagination how you lot can go all misty-eyed over oppressed republics struggling to be free, boldly declaring their independence (precisely as Georgia itself did): but only when it suits you. South Ossetia and Abkhazia, despite having been de facto independent since 1991, apparently don’t rate.
@international consensus finds that Georgia was the aggressor.
Ah, yes. Venezuela and Nicaragua.
@It staggers the imagination how you lot can go all misty-eyed over oppressed republics struggling to be free, boldly declaring their independence (precisely as Georgia itself did): but only when it suits you. South Ossetia and Abkhazia, despite having been de facto independent since 1991, apparently don’t rate.
Cool. And what gives Moscow right to “liberate” the former Abkhaz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (there was never any South Ossetian republic!), after drowning in blood the independence drive of the former Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (the Chechen part, because the Ingushes decided to peacefully split from Grozny and join the Russian Federation in 1992)?
And remember Tbilisi not only did NOT send the Gerogian forces to help Chechnya, but even did NOT recognise the Chechen independence (not after Chechnya won the war of independence in 1996, and not even after the Russian annexation of the “independent” parts of Georgia in 2008).
Of course, FSB conveniently forgets that the separatists in both Abkhazia and South Ossetia are the perpetrators and beneficiaries of ethnic cleansing.
As for the state of the Judiciary, yes it needs work, but the difference is that the Georgians are constantly working to improve their Judiciary, unlike Russia where the opposite is true.
And others add that significant reforms over the past few months – spurred in part by the country’s desire to join NATO, which has made judicial reform a requirement for Georgia’s membership bid – have strengthened the judiciary by raising standards for judges and decreasing presidential control.
Exams for aspiring judges have become more competitive, with only 176 of 1,000 passing in 2005. And now the names of those who pass the written test will be posted online to dispel concerns that judges are chosen subjectively. Since 2006, judges have also been required to complete a 14-month training program, designed with help from the Council of Europe…..
While Saakashvili admitted that the judicial system was Georgia’s “most problematic sector” in April, his supporters say that criticism has been unfairly harsh.
“Nobody expects that the judiciary will be improved in a day or a year,” says Giorgi Meladze, a program director at Liberty Institute, a local NGO in Tbilisi that works closely with the government.
Compared with its neighbors, which rank among the lowest worldwide on judicial independence and other markers of democracy, Georgia stands out as markedly improved. Yet others insist that if Georgia has more ambitious goals than its neighbors, then it deserves more scrutiny as well.
“Our main problem is that the West says that Georgia is doing well compared to its neighbors,” says attorney Tinatin Khidasheli of the opposition Republican Party. “But since we have the ambition of joining NATO and the European community, it puts us in a different position.”
From your own link no less FSB, and those neighbors that are amongst the lowest worldwide for judicial independence includes Russia, compared to which Georgia is “markedly improved”.
Aside from Sochi, I can’t imagine why anyone would want to risk going to any country where the courts and the police are so completely corrupt. Putin is the effective leader and he is not up to the job of running a country.
Corruption is a huge drag on a country. No value is given in return for the payoff. It is like inflating the currency. Therefore Russia is rapidly losing resources.
Maybe they do not have the ability to take any military action against Georgia let alone annex it.
@native Caucasus people
Circassians move to seek autonomy within Russia
Political controversies in republic came into focus in March after a leader of the organization’s youth movement was killed. Members of the movement claimed that this was an assassination. The tensions further escalated last month after an aide to the republic’s president, an ethnic Circassian, was killed on May 12.
Unified Circassia Said No Threat to Russia, But a Divided One Could Be
The sharpest rejoinder came from Vladimir Ustinov, the presidential plenipotentiary for the Southern Federal District. On December 22, he told members of the Federation Council that any moves to create a single Circassian republic, because of its impact on neighboring areas and on the radicals, would pour “grease into the fire” spreading across the North Caucasus.
That is because, Ustinov said, the unification of the Circassians would involve “the dismemberment of the region.” And such “a misfortune” in that region would represent “a real danger” for Russia as a whole. Consequently, the plenipotentiary said, Moscow will not consider it.
Cherkessov did not say what a unified Circassia would look like if there were no border changes. It would certainly include various non-contiguous territories. But if a unified Circassia within Russia would meet the demands of most Circassians in the North Caucasus, Moscow’s refusal to consider that possibility points to real problems ahead.
North Caucasus Violence Kills 5
07 June 2010
The blast, which had the force of five kilograms of dynamite, killed a policeman and injured 16 other people, including the town mayor and his deputy, Interfax said. A second police officer died later of his injuries.
“It would have been nice, of course, if Mr. Bortnikov had warned the world about the dire risk of horrific lethal violence in Sochi before Russia was awarded the games. What actually occurred is like a person selling a car that has no engine inside and neglecting to tell the buyer until the money has changed hands, money paid with expectation of a motor.”
Actually, as I pointed out earlier, terrorism has been a background threat at the Olympic Games since the 1972 games in Munich, when11 athletes of the Israeli team were murdered by Black September. In anticipation and support of the Athens Olympics in 2004, ICT researcher Niv Elis wrote,
“The Olympic games is the world’s most-watched sporting event, with an estimated four billion viewers from over 160 countries. This is good news for sports fans, but unfortunately may be no less so for terrorists seeking a high-profile target. Terrorism is, by nature, a publicity seeking political tool; it puts the terrorist’s cause into the media spotlight, while intimidating a target population. Its effectiveness depends on publicity. Thus any event as widely-publicized as the Olympics is bound to be a very attractive target for terrorism. Indeed, the Olympic forum was exploited twice in the past for that very reason: the 1972 Olympic Munich Massacre, and the 1996 Olympic pipe-bombing in Atlanta…If a bus were to be bombed in Athens four months after the games ended, it would just be a run-of-the-mill bus bombing. If an Athenian bus carrying tourists on their way to an Olympic sporting event were to be bombed, however, it would be a successful Olympic terrorist attack, with international victims, world-wide media coverage, and all the implied consequences for public confidence. It is clear to see that even if all athletic events are completely secure, Olympic security may still be incomplete.”
So, if you want to go with the car-salesman analogy, not expecting terrorism to be a major planning factor in the Olympic Games – wherever in the world they may be held – is like a couple of dozy customers buying a car with the expectation that it will drive itself, wash itself and change its own oil, then being disappointed when they’re expected to actually think for themselves.
That year, the Greeks spent more than $1.2 Billion on security, with about 70,000 police officers patrolling the city and the games venues; I wouldn’t be surprised to see Russia double both quantities.
“This blog does not REPORT the news it ANALYZES the news and argues against the Putin regime.”
Well, the last part is true. However, if there was any analysis involved in this piece, it resulted in wildly incorrect conclusions and apparently-deliberate misrepresentation of the original information. You under-reported the confidence of the people in Russia’s ability to successfully carry out the games by better than 50% and, after being corrected, suggested the correct figure indicates the people are “idiotic, muttering sheep”. You’re just flailing around looking for something derogatory to say without any regard for its accuracy, like playing pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey with a hammer.
If Sochi keeps the Olympics, it’s going to to be Munich all over again…. only 10X worse
In Munich, there were less people killed than the number of innocent people that jewish nazi pirates killed last weak. Sochi will be safe, much safer than NY or LA.
@In Munich, there were less people killed than the number of innocent jewish nazi pirates last weak.
Jewish nazi ninja robot pirates.
17 (11 sportsmen, 5 militants, 1 German policeman) ain’t really “less” than 9. Are you an another guest from Dimaworld?
And the moral of this story is: don’t “innocently” attack Israeli commandos thinking they carry only paintball guns and flashbangs and thus may be easily pogromed (with either “sticks only” or “well, maybe we had firearms”, depending on which version of their story you believe). It’s a rather bad idea and it may make you hurt.
@Sochi will be safe, much safer than NY or LA.
“We have made Chechnya the safest place in Russia, soon it’ll be the safest place in the world – people will be coming here on holiday.”
He said this in 2005. Fast-forward to 2010 (this “weak”):
@7 (11 sportsmen, 5 militants, 1 German policeman) ain’t really “less” than 9. Are you an another guest from Dimaworld?
No, idiot:1 9 killed Freedom Flotilla civilian people is not equal to 9 and 19 is in any case greater than 17. http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/05/31/israel-attacks-freedom-flotilla-kills-19-aid-workers/
@No, idiot:1 9 killed Freedom Flotilla civilian people is not equal to 9 and 19 is in any case greater than 17.
Yes, idiot: “1 9 killed Freedom Flotilla civilian people” was proven to be just a fantasy (like “500 killed in Jenin” and what not). AKA a lie.
Heck, even Tehran Times will tell you only 9 died in the riot (all Turks):
Or maybe it’s actually different in this Dimaworld alternative reality of yours. But I don’t care.
So, no comments on Chechnya being “the safest place in Russia” for 5 years, and now (“soon” then) also “the safest place in the world” too?
I thought you would say “yes, the Hero President General is of course right, but Sochi is EVEN SAFER!” or something. I’m disappointed.
Well, obviously Sochi is going to be a bloody mess. The only question is whether the FSB/GRU will actually help the jihadists like it did at Nord-Ost and probably Beslan, or whether it will just sit by and watch the fun.
Sochi, so safe from terrorists (even local complete amateurs):
In the Krasnodar Territorial Court, in the course of the trial on a series of explosions in Sochi, one of the suspects – a former TV cameraman Mikhail Denisenko – told about how they had prepared their crimes.
The “Caucasian Knot” has reported that on June 18 the Krasnodar Territorial Court started hearings on the case about a series of explosions committed in the city-resort of Sochi, as a result of which 14 persons were lost and 20 were wounded. On June 21, the defendants partially admitted their guilt.
As reported by Denisenko, before the explosion of an apartment house in July 2008 explosion of an apartment house in July, 2008, Galkin was making a bomb in his kitchen for several days. The bomb had power of about 50 kilos of trotyl. Shortly before the explosion, Denisenko printed some 30 leaflets with his computer depicting the Governor of the Territory Alexander Tkachov. As he explained, Galkin asked him to do it. Then, they scattered the leaflets on the way to the place of explosion. Under their idea, it was a sign that terror acts were committed against the wrong policy of local authorities.
According to Denisenko, the bomb for the next explosion was made in the form of a fire extinguisher. It was triggered in the beach of Loo settlement of the Lazarevskoe District of Sochi.
Their most “successful” bomb, as the defendants believed, was a bomb in the form of a pocket electric torch. Galkin and Denisenko used it for the explosion in the construction site in February 2009. Galkin had an idea to stuff it with poisonous substances, but he could not realize it.