EDITORIAL: A White Flag over Russia?

EDITIORIAL

A White Flag over Russia?

Did somebody say “uncle”?

Last week a secret paper was leaked from the Russian Foreign Ministry to the Russian outpost of Newsweek magazine.  Including an introductory statement by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, the papers admits that Russia must alter its rabid, frenzied foreign policy in order to attract foreign investment and must build alliances with Western Europe if it wishes to survive as a nation.

In psychotic fashion, however, the paper also lays out plans for renewed Russian aggression in the Baltics and throughout post-Soviet space.

It is, in other words, a fully Russian document.  Even as Russia has seen the horrific consequences of its dependence on foreign demand for crude oil, seen its economy vacillate wildly with the vagaries of that demand as if it were enslaved, Russia still cannot manage to abandon its evil, aggressive conduct towards foreign countries.

Even as Russia admits that it cannot expand economically without foreign investment, because corruption and inefficiency (indeed, outright laziness) in its domestic economy have destroyed the country’s ability to generate meaningful investment capital on its own, Russia makes more plans to lash out at foreigners across the globe.

Russia is meeting with terrorist groups, it is sending nuclear technology to rogue states,  and it is governed by a proud KGB spy. Yet, Russia openly admit it is hopelessly outgunned by NATO forces and admits that its economy stands in tatters, desperate for foreign investment in every sector.

There is only one word for this behavior, and that word is psychotic.  As far as can be seen, Russia is a demented land run by crazed psychopaths, incapable of rational action, hellbent on self-destruction.  Despite the contents of the paper, Lavrov openly proclaimed that Russia will go it alone in the world, will prepare to fight World War III regardless of the consequences for the country and its people, in other words will do exactly as the USSR did, and meet the same fate.

46 responses to “EDITORIAL: A White Flag over Russia?

  1. Lavrov! the ravings of a lunatic hell bent on taking the Russia nation down and destr0ying it to appease that minority of his fellow Ka Ge Bist communist fascists, who are hell bent on staying in power at all costs!

    If I was a Russian citizen? I would be worried. As this time they won’t be fighting a lunatic rabble rouse like ‘mein fuehrer’, Adolf Hitler.

  2. I think the new conservative administration in the UK will not be interested in any “Obama” style reset with the Russians. Mr Cameron has appointed Liam Fox defence secretary, The same Mr Fox who only a few months ago describe Russia as, and I quote “ A gangster State”, that’s a very British two fingers to any reset.

    Also Russia’s wish for visa restrictions with the EU is a pipe dream, it only takes one member to vote no and it won’t happen. I can think of at least 6 who will throw this proposal out at the first opportunity.

  3. In the old days people would visit an asylum for humorous relief. Russia is at least good for a laugh.

    • Ron, may I suggest the addition of one extra word to your comment. The word is ‘sad’, so that your last sentence reads “Russia is at least good for a sad laugh.”

  4. Bohdan:

    There is something wrong with me inside that I laugh at horror stories. I stand corrected.

  5. Retired Gen. Anatoly Kornukov said Russia has only a reduced capability to protect itself from an enemy attack…

    See link above “hopelessly outgunned”

    This is very good news for Russia’s neighbors!!!

    • Voice of Reason

      Ron wrote: “ Retired Gen. Anatoly Kornukov said Russia has only a reduced capability to protect itself from an enemy attack…This is very good news for Russia’s neighbors!!!

      Which neighbor plans to launch an attack on Russia, Ron?

      • Everybody PLANS to attack everybody else. As for those who PLAN to actually PUT those plans into action, only god knows.

        But if I were you, I would be paying very close attention to Siberia and Central Asia. If Beijing begins to see you as a liability, you might be facing a leetle wake up call from the world’s largest land army.

        • Voice of Reason

          Not in my time, Turtler. I don’t plan to live more than 50 years more. So, I’ll never know.

          And in 50 years – who knows, maybe my own California will be speaking Chinese. Yes, I know Spanish is the safe bet, but there is so much Chinese emigration here, that the Hispanics would need to increase their emigration to beat the Chinese.

          I am kind of undecided whom to root for. I prefer Chinese food and low-crime, but Spanish will be easier to learn.

  6. No one will attack Russia. The good news is Russia has lost the ability to attack it’s neighbors.

    • Which neighbor was Russia planning to attack, Ron?

      • dematry wrote;
        Which neighbor was Russia planning to attack, Ron?

        comment;
        Russia is actually fighting the following perypherial wars; Georgia, Chechnia, Ingushetia, Dagestan, Ukraine and a new the most dangerous one Kyrgyzstan – the Kyrgyz already started the slaughter of ordinary russians.

        • War: The primary feature of this behavior pattern is a certain state of organized violent conflict that is engaged in between two or more separate social entities.

          Are Georgia, Chechnia, Ingushetia, Dagestan, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan at war with Russia?

          B/c it looks like you can’t go at war without an adversary.

          The USA fights Taleban (at least they say so) in Afghanistan.

          Who fights Russia in Ukraine? Georgia? Kyrgyzstan?

          • Well, Russia did invade Georgia, after years of supporting racist extremists in the form of Abkhazian and South Ossetian extremists.

            Russia also violated international law in its unjustified military actions and support for ethnic cleansing.

            • That were dirty Georgian extremists-saakashists who invaded South Ossetia and bombed Zhinval. Russia just responded and kicked the ass of saakashists to teach them a bit what they are. Georgia has massively violated international law when started the war. If the next time Georgia will try to start a war again, Russia’s response will be more hopefully adequate and Georgia will be erased from the map.

            • You see, when a country is attacked (and killing your servicemen, even if they are a PK force is an attack on the country) – a country must retaliate.

              You attack (even target) a US jet in any country, and US automatically consider this a hostile act against the country. Why would not Russia behave the same way?

              • So, you are saying that Georgia was right to retaliate when Russian backed separatists killed dozens of its citizens in unprovoked shelling in the weeks prior to the Georgian assault on Tshkinvali?

                Thanks!!!

                • I never claimed that. So this thanks is for nothing.

                  But do you say again that Georgia attacked separatists?

                  Did you miss the interview with the President of the Republic of Georgia where he claims Georgia “didn’t, didn’t, didn’t” do that?

                  Why do you try to make fool of the Georgian president?:D

                  • But you said You see, when a country is attacked a country must retaliate.

                    Now, there were multiple incidents when Russian backed separatists attacked Georgian controlled villages in the conflict zone, killing both Georgian servicemen, and Georgian civilians.

                    These are quite well documented and mentioned in the IFFC report, as actions to which Georgia had a legitimate right of military response.

                    However, you have yet to provide a link or other evidence about your claims about what the President of Georgia said.

                    However, I have provided plenty of evidence about the fact that pedo Putin, and his puppet Dima were lying through their teeth from the beginning.

                    I guess you are just another lying Russian scumbag.

                    • Sunshine, get back to the issue.

                      Did Micha lie in his interview to CNN on 08.08.08. I linked?

                    • What link retard?

                      And are you saying that Georgia had no right to defend itself?

                      This would be in direct contradiction to your statements above.

                      Of course this would be typical Russian hypocrisy, but then we are used to that.

                      Russia was after all in control of the South Ossetian militia…..

                    • But sunshine, here’s a link to a link which you pretty boy might have so conveniently missed:

                      https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/editorial-an-abomination-in-russia/

                      Go there and search for “CNN” (ctrl-f sure helps with the thread you’ve spammed into a mess).

                      Then please answer the question:

                      You say there was a retaliation to S.Ossetians in the beginning of the war.

                      Saakashvili says there was no retaliation to S.Ossetiansin the beginning of the war.

                      Which of you two is idiot, you, or the President? Or both of you are?

                      Oh, and then search for You are an idiot or You are a clinic idiot phrases on the same page linked and you’ll find several other posts you did not answer.

                    • Why don’t you re post the link here retard?

                      Anyway here is what the Georgians were really saying at the time:

                      To be sure, Tbilisi had endured a long season of Kremlin taunts, beginning in April with then-President Vladimir Putin’s call to strengthen diplomatic and trade ties with South Ossetia and Abkhazia — breakaway territories that Saakashvili had vowed to return to Georgian control.

                      As unauthorized Russian troops and railway crews flowed into the territories, Tbilisi was forced into a tricky game of brinkmanship, knowing even a single armed incident on the disputed territories might ultimately open it to full-scale Russian aggression or scupper its good standing with the West and NATO.

                      The events of August 7-8, therefore, proved a massive liability. Why had Saakashvili acted with such apparent recklessness?

                      The answer coming from loyal authorities in Tbilisi is: He didn’t. Officials like Reintegration Minister Temur Iakobashvili, who claims he was with Saakashvili when the order was given to enter South Ossetia, says Georgia acted only after days of separatist attacks on Georgian-controlled villages, and with the belief that Russian forces had already entered the Roki Tunnel connecting North Ossetia in Russia with South Ossetia in Georgia.

                      “We didn’t start this war, and we didn’t enter South Ossetia to liberate it. That was not the order the president gave,” Iakobashvili has said. “He gave the order right in front of me. The order was to shut down only those places where the South Ossetians were firing from. And to stop the military column that was entering Georgia. That’s it.”

                      ‘Three-Source’ Defense

                      The fog of information surrounding the moment at which Russia’s 58th Army — fresh from military exercises in the North Caucasus, and equipped with tanks and heavy artillery — entered Georgian territory remains the linchpin of Saakashvili’s defense. In the early days of the conflict, authorities in Tbilisi claimed to possess three independent intelligence sources confirming that Russian, not Georgian, troops had moved first.

                      Saakashvili has repeatedly dangled the “three-source” defense before skeptics, but has yet to produce the proof. In his September 8 meeting with French President Sarkozy and other top European officials, the Georgian leader said he had passed the information to his visitors and that the case would be put to the international community “with time.”

                      “I gave today, I think, very strong proof proving that Georgians responded to a large-scale Russian invasion that took place before the hostilities emerged. We have this. We can prove this. It’s very solid proof,” Saakashvili said.

                      Shelling by Ossetian separatists against Georgian villages began as early as August 1, drawing a sporadic response from Georgian peacekeepers and other fighters already in the region. On August 7, Iakobashvili traveled to Tskhinvali to try to defuse tensions, but was spurned by both separatist officials and Russia’s special envoy to the region, who canceled a scheduled meeting, citing a flat tire.

                      At 7 p.m. on the evening of August 7, Saakashvili declared a unilateral cease-fire. Undaunted, South Ossetian separatist forces continued to attack Georgian villages into the night. A Georgian peacekeeper was killed, marking the fighting’s first casualty, and attacks expanded to include Tamarasheni, the territory’s largest Georgian town and the site of a tacit no-go agreement between the two sides.

                      Those developments — and claims that Cossack and other irregular fighters from the North Caucasus had begun joining separatist units in South Ossetia — might have been enough to justify Tbilisi’s decision to send in troops.

                      But the Georgian government says the clincher came at 11:30 p.m., when it claims to have received the “multiple human intelligence” reports indicating that close to 150 armored vehicles and trucks had entered the Roki Tunnel.

                      http://www.rferl.org/content/Is_The_Clock_Ticking_For_Saakashvili/1199512.html

                      I mean, there had been repeated attacks by separatists on Georgian villages prior to the outbreak of the main fighting.

                      After all, Saakashvili did declare a unilateral ceasefire with the separatists on the 7th.

                      Really Dima, you are a retard.

                    • I ask

                      Please answer the question:

                      You say there was a retaliation to S.Ossetians. Saakashvili says no retaliation to S.Ossetians.

                      Which of you lies?

                      You say

                      Anyway here is what the Georgians were really saying at the time:

                      I say

                      You’re an idiot.

                    • You asked for a repost:

                      6:15 where he says no retaliation.

                      Or do I also need to cite your words where you say there was a retaliation?

                    • No, D-tard, your English comprehension is around that of a 2 year old.

                      Not surprising given your Russian education.

                      At 6.15 the US presenter is talking, however I point you to to the fact that the question asked is “Did you attempt to re-take South Ossetia” to which Saakashvili replies “No, no, no, we did not”

                      And I point you to around 6.42 where Saakashvili says “what happened is that, you know, there have been continuous provocations……”

                      I say Dmitry is a complete retard with severely limited English skills.

                      But thanks for being stupid enough to prove my point with your own “evidence”

                    • :D Sunshine, but you are missing the whole point.

                      Saakashvili says:

                      a) Bad Ossets shoot at us, but

                      b) We didn’t, we didn’t, we didn’t shoot back before

                      c) At 12AM evil Russian APC started pouring into the hap – er, helpless Georgia.

                      So where’s retaliation, to bad Ossets, sunshine?

                      What do they call it, again? “Your English comprehension is around that of a 2 year old?”

                      Still the question stays the same:

                      Which one of you two lied?

                    • No, once again you twist and turn like the retarded dishonest piece of filth that you are.

                      Where did Saakashvili state that he did not order retaliatory fire?

                      Where did he state that he did not retaliate?

                      He was retaliating against the South Ossetian fire, followed by a ceasefire which the separatists broke, and a Russian invasion.

                      Really D-tard, you are looking kind of pathetic here.

                      Caught lying time and again, not to mention having the reading level of a retarded 2 year old.

                      Did you learn English via the Callan method by any chance?

                      I understand it is popular in Russia, but is known for teaching in a robotic manner and producing robotic speakers with little comprehension.

                      Just what the Kremlin ordered I guess.

                      Now once again, on the subject of lying, do you admit that Putin, and his finger puppet Medvedev lied about the war?

                      1. Genocide claims against Georgians = Proven false by international observers and the fact finding commission.

                      2. Russian claims that there was no provocation by separatists against Georgians = Proven false by international observers and the fact finding commission.

                      3. Russian claims that there was no ethnic cleansing of Georgians = Proven false by international observers and the fact finding commission.

                      4. Russian claims that Georgians deliberately attacked Russian peacekeepers = No substantiation or evidence found by international observers or the fact finding commission.

                      5. Every reason given by the Russians for their invasion of Georgia described as unjustified or illegal under international law by the fact finding commission.

                      6. Russian recognition of the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia ruled illegal under international law by the fact finding commission.

                      Really D-tard, you have to stop with the lies old bean.

                      You really are a fool.

                    • He was retaliating against the South Ossetian fire, followed by a ceasefire which the separatists broke, and a Russian invasion.

                      Oh, dear, but the president claims otherwise.

                      He says he didn’t retaliate, and the peacefire order was in force until the first Russian APC entered Georgia at 12AM on 8.08.08, i.e. midnight, as most people would call it.

                      So he started to fight back when Russians came, right?

                      And there we had to act. There we had to fire back the artillery. There we had to take measures. Because it was a clear-cut case of intervention.

                      So when you say there was some kind of retaliation to Ossets, why on Earth he claims it a responce to an intervention, that he started after the midnight?

                      I am not asking for justification of his actions.

                      I just ask you to explain, first of all to yourself, what were they? Reclaiming territory? Retaliation to Ossets? Defending from Russian invasion?

                      What was the reason why Georgia started to barrage the city on 8.08.08 (the date he prefers)?

                    • Really you are a moron D-tard.

                      There were several reasons for the Georgian action.

                      You also forget the fact that there ahd been repeated Georgian retaliations against separatist gunfire in the days leading up to the outbreak of the most serious fighting.

                      The ceasefire was cancelled after the separatists launched artillery strikes on Tamarasheni and Russian troops were believed to be passing through the Roki tunnel.

                      Are you too stupid to understand this?

                      Even the Georgian defence minister stated that his orders were to silence separatist artillery fire and stop the Russian columns.

                    • Please do not tell me about what “was believed”. We are talking about what the president of G. said and what was the reality when he started the war.

                      Please, just answer the question, don’t comment it.

                      Did Saakashvili lie claiming he did not attempt to reconquer South Ossetia?

                    • Did Putin lie when he claimed 2000 “peaceful” Ossetians were killed in the first strike by Georgian artillery on Tshkinvali?

                      Did Putin lie when he claimed a “genocide” was taking place?

                      Did Putin lie when he claimed there was no ethnic cleansing against Georgians occurring in South Ossetia?

                      Who is the bigger lier here?

                      Come on D-tard, fess up.

                      You are a supporter of ethnic cleansing as long as it happens to those who wish for freedom from Russian oppression.

                      I bet you also cheered for the Serbs when they massacred Croats Bosnians.

                    • I say:

                      Did Saakashvili lie claiming he did not attempt to reconquer South Ossetia?

                      You respond

                      Did Putin lie when he claimed 2000 “peaceful” Ossetians were killed in the first strike by Georgian artillery on Tshkinvali?

                      First, this is apparently a “yes” answer to my question, sunshine, do I understand you right?

                      Second, please take pains and find a source where Putin claims 2000 killed.

                      You say:

                      I bet you also cheered for the Serbs when they massacred Croats Bosnians.

                      I say:

                      Next time you want to say something clever, go visit Serbian Krajina before. Or Republica Srpska. Or visit the articles with the same names, at least. Or read about something called “Operation Storm”.

  7. Well, Saakashvili certainly mentioned the separatist attacks in this interview…..

    NEWSWEEK: How did this all begin?
    Mikheil Saakashvili: First of all, the Russian troops in North Ossetia [part of the Russian Federation] were massing for the last four months. They called it “exercises.” But every time I would hear about these exercises, the Russians would say that they were preparing for military actions inside Georgia. They would say it publicly. President Putin would always hint at that. He said, “We need different ways to get to Georgia.” So we knew Russia was preparing. We were worried about it. But there wasn’t much we could do about it.

    Now, in South Ossetia, there had been tensions for years. That’s nothing new. So when the latest round of confrontations had started we didn’t take it too seriously. I mean, they tried to blow up houses and opened fire on [a Georgian] police convoy. We returned fire and killed five or six of them. I thought this would end there. But then they started to bombard villages we controlled with mortar fire. But even these kind of things had happened in the past, so initially we didn’t think it was serious. But sometime late on the afternoon it all started, I started to smell something bad. So I began, frantically, to call the Russians. They wouldn’t respond. I called the secretary-general of NATO. I called [European Union High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy] Javier Solana. I called several other European presidents, like [Lithuanian President] Valdas Adamkus. I said we are coming under an extensive barrage, and nothing like this has ever happened before. Something is wrong here.

    Then we contacted the local Russian peacekeepers in Ossetia. The head of the local peacekeepers and Ambassador Yuri Popov [Russian co-chair of the Joint Control Commission for Georgian-Ossetian Conflict Resolution]. Both said they no longer had control over the Ossetian separatists. They told us that the [separatists] are out of their minds. That they don’t pick up their phones and can’t be reached. But the whole point is that this whole thing started immediately after [Ossetian separatist leader Eduard] Kokoity came back from Moscow. We asked the Russians, “What’s going on?” I believe that there are different factions in Russia fighting each other. One faction has become nasty, and the other doesn’t know what they are up to.

    From our point of view, it all sounded very confused. The acting Russian foreign minister said that the separatists opened fire first and promised us that they were trying to calm the situation down. We told the Russians that we would declare a unilateral ceasefire, and maybe they could do something about this. I went on TV and announced a unilateral ceasefire.

    My minister of defense called to say that he had two soldiers killed, and the ministry of interior had some men wounded. All this time we were still holding off from responding to any of these provocations. Then we started to get reports that Russian tanks, Russian APCs [armored personnel carriers], were coming through the tunnel [linking South Ossetia to Russia on Aug. 8].

    Finally we said, “OK, the only way to stop this convoy was to open artillery fire.” We did not have enough military on the ground to start a ground assault. So we did fire at that convoy, and we fired at Tskhinvali [which South Ossetian separatists recognize as their capital]. But before that, and every international observer saw that, there were several hours of barrage, to which we didn’t respond. And in the meantime, we were trying to get international involvement.

    Was this planned by the Russians?
    When I called the secretary-general of NATO [Jaap de Hoop Scheffer], I said, “Look, this is happening. Conditions are nasty.” I said the Russians are being helpful. They are trying to stop the separatists. And you know what he told me? He said, “I don’t think so. I think this is a Russian game.”

    [A NATO spokesperson said Tuesday that de Hoop Scheffer would not comment on a private conversation with Saakashvili.]

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/152254

    • I ask

      Please answer the question:

      You say there was a retaliation to S.Ossetians. Saakashvili says no retaliation to S.Ossetians.

      Which of you lies?

      You say

      Well, Saakashvili certainly mentioned the separatist attacks in this interview…..

      I say

      You’re an idiot.

      • No D-tard, you are just being an idiot now.

        You say Saakashvili said there was “no retaliation” against South Ossetians because of their attacks.

        I post articles where he specifically mentions those separatist attacks as one of the major reasons (along with Russian troops illegally entering internationally recognised Georgian territory) for his military action.

        You are a retard

        In addition, you have yet to explain why your PM Putin, and his puppet Medvedev, lied outrageously about “genocide”, why the Russian government and media knowingly lied, and all the time they were committing massive crimes against humanity in the form of facilitating and leading the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population of the province.

        Dmitry, you are a retard

        • Dear, oh dear.

          You say Saakashvili said there was “no retaliation” against South Ossetians because of their attacks.

          I post articles where he specifically mentions those separatist attacks as one of the major reasons

          So now you claim the President of Georgia lied in that first interview, and said truth in the following ones?

          Why don’t you just answer the question about this very CNN interview that was on air hours after the war began?

          Did he f*cking lie explicitly claiming he did not attempt to reconquer South Ossetia?

          • Now D-tard, don’t try and change the question.

            You claimed that he stated there was no retaliation.

            You lied.

            Just like your PM and President when they claimed a “genocide”, when they were the ones committing crimes against humanity.

            • I’m not changing the answer, I’m asking it.

              Please, just answer it, don’t comment it.

              Did he lie claiming he did not attempt to reconquer South Ossetia?

              • I never said you were “changing the answer”, boy, you need a remedial reading class stat.

                You claimed Saakashvili stated there was “no retaliation” against the South Ossetians.

                This was a lie, the President repeatedly mentioned that Georgian military operations were in retaliation for separatist attacks, and in addition to stop Russian troops from entering Georgian sovereign territory.

                Even your own “evidence” showed this, you really are a complete fool.

                Now that you have shown yourself to be an incompetent moron you are desperately trying to change the subject.

                Never mind D-tard, you just end up looking pathetic.

                • You:

                  May 17, 2010 at 4:27 pm | Reply
                  Now D-tard, don’t try and change the question.

                  May 18, 2010 at 6:01 am | Reply
                  I never said you were “changing the answer”, boy, you need a remedial reading class stat.

                  You’re a little bit inconsistent. Nevertheless, let’s cut the crp. I just want you to anwer the question:

                  Did Saakashvili lie claiming he did not attempt to reconquer South Ossetia?

                  • Surprisingly no answer.

                    • Now D-Tard, why can’t you admit that you lied in your original question.

                      After all, in the interview you posted he specifically refers to retaliating against separatist attacks.

                      Also you are caught in the vice that your President and PM both lied outrageously, and were criticised internationally for doing so, about some imaginary total of 2000 Ossetian civilians, which they were later forced to revised downwards to a little over 100, while the “Glorious” Russian army was assisting in ethnic cleansing, rapes, looting and murder.

                      Furthermore, all of the stories of Georgian “atrocities” circulated by lying Russian freaks such as Medvedev, Putin, and Lavrov, were found to be fabrications, without any basis in fact, by groups such Memorial, Human Rights Watch, and the Council of Europe.

                      All of the above groups did however document massive crimes against humanity by the Russian Army and separatist militia’s which were led by Russian officers.

                    • Sunshine, you’re too verbose and diffuse in your answer to a very simple question.

                      It would be enough to answer with one word: “yes”, or “no”.

                      So, again:

                      Did Saakashvili lie claiming he did not attempt to reconquer South Ossetia?

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