EDITORIAL: Russia, Loathed and Reviled


Russia, Loathed and Reviled

Russia, out of touch

“Views on Russia’s influence are still predominantly negative worldwide.”

That was the conclusion of the latest BBC poll on the attitudes of countries around the world towards Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

The segment of China’s population having a positive view of Russia plummeted shockingly this year compared to last, falling a whopping 19 points from 74% to 55%.

As shown in the chart at left, China was one of only two countries in the entire survey that had a majority-positive attitude towards Russia (the other was lowly Azarbaijan).  Less than a quarter of the U.S. population viewed Russia positively, and less than a third of the population of the major nations of Western Europe did so.

Yet, a whopping three quarters of idiotic, isolated, ignorant Russians themselves believed their nation had a mainly positive role in the world, while a totally ridiculous 4% of Russians were willing to acknowledge that their country might be mainly negative .  By contrast, no such blind, crazed nationalism affected the way Americans viewed their own role in the world. Numerous other countries had a more positive view of America’s role than did Americans themselves.

Russia’s role in the world was seen by a majority as negative in France, despite determined efforts at appeasement by a cowardly French leader, and by a majority as negative in Germany, too.  Likewise South Korean and Turkey. Near majorities took that view in the USA, Italy, and Spain.

Once again, in other words, the Putin regime was exposed as an utter failure, deluding the people of the country just as did the old Soviet regime, all while poisoning the attitudes of the entire outside world against Russia.

And, once again, the Russian people themselves were exposed  as well, for it was they who gave Putin unchecked power, they who continue to praise him in opinion polls even as he turns their nation once again into a pariah state, friendless and alone to face the perils of the backwards, hate-filled existence.

74 responses to “EDITORIAL: Russia, Loathed and Reviled

  1. Yes, let’s count the number of American flags burned on a constant basis versus the number of Russian flags burned.

    I don’t think you’ll find probably even a handful of Russian flags burned in the world versus the whopping amount of American flags burned.

    If you don’t believe me, take a gander: http://demotivation.ru/ndw28vslws7apic.html

    • The picture is quite impressive.

      • Err um, didn’t your wise, secure and beloved Prime Minister AND President both declare that they are allies and have partnerships with the US? You know.. the reset button and all that..
        The last I checked they were supposed to be friends, at least diplomatically. Now why would most of the 54 comments here be so virulently hating the US when the official government position is one of allied partnership?
        Surely the Russian government wouldn’t be saying one thing and meaning the other? No, surely they wouldn’t be that dishonest and two-faced on their word..

    • Thats because Russia is irrelevant.

      You can find a US flag anywhere in the world, but it is harder to find a Russian flag.

  2. And also, why is the US and not Russia singled out for the moniker of “Great Satan” in Iran?

    You’ve opened up a can of worms, and if you think you’re going to try and convince us that Russia is truly universally loathed like your title suggests, you’ve got bats in the belfry.

    The only nation today in the world that is universally reviled and loathed is unfortunately the US — given its record of holding the entire planet hostage at gunpoint.

    • larussophobe

      It’s really not surprising that people would not burn Russian flags as much since Americans are far more civilized and don’t kill flag burners the way Russians do.

      America stands at the head of a massive military alliance, NATO, and the polls clearly show it is FAR more well respected than Russia.

      Your comment is illterate and demented and totally barren of any contrary data.

      • “Civilized” Americans destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki by atom bombs, killing millions of civilians; and they used chemical weapons (napalm) against civilians in Vietnam. How can you call yourself “civilized” after that?! BTW, there are also constant attempts in US to approve The Flag Desecration Amendment, often referred to as the flag burning amendment, an amendment to the United States Constitution that would allow the United States Congress to statutorily prohibit expression of political views through the physical desecration of the flag of the United States. But no matter whether this amendment will be approved or not, the American flag will be frequently burned all around the world, I guess.

        • Actually, if you read our source, it says that world views of America are improving dramatically. America is a world leader and stands as the influential head of a huge military alliance, NATO. Russia stands utterly alone.

          • Again, to recapitulate, relay the wonder and beauty of your massive military alliance to the Iraqis and Afghans.

            • Ask the Iraqis, Afghans, and Pakistanis (under heavy CIA drone bombardment) about the dramatic improvement of their view of America.

            • Or, perhaps, just fight good enough to finish both these wars at last.

        • About 150,000 civilians were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, not “millions.”

          • And, of course, that was just a collateral damage anyway.

            • This is not the place to discuss pros and cons related to atomic bombings. Regardless, whatever kind of damage it was, collateral or not, I don’t like when people are misrepresenting known historical facts.

              The total death toll, including those who died months and years later was 150,000 minimum and 250,000 maximum. It is not the same as “millions.”

              • Do you really think there are “pros” of atomic bombing? Then, you are really sick.

                • Well, considering that every day the war went on, thousands died across the Japanese held territories, due to the brutality of the Japanese army.

                  Not to mention that the projected death toll of an invasion of mainland Japan was in the millions, based on their fanatical resistance in places like Okinawa and Saipan.

                  So yes, if you are one of those who survived due to the surrender of Japan after the second atomic bombing, there are “pros” of atomic bombing indeed.

                  • Er, ever consider nuking afghanistan? It’s every day the war is going on there.

                    “the projected death toll of an invasion of mainland Japan was in the millions” – idiot, they Japanese told you that they surrendered b/c Soviets captured the whole Manchurian army in a week.

                    There was no need to kill these 200 000 civilians! Just like in Dresden, there was no need to destroy a city!

                    • No, the general Japanese opinion is that they surrendered because of the second atomic bombing.

                      By the way, the Soviets asked the Brits and Yanks to bomb Dresden, as it was a major transportation and supply hub for the eastern front.

                    • Voice of Reason

                      References please.

                    • Why certainly Voice of Retardation

                      II. ANALYSIS: Dresden as a Military Target

                      5. At the outbreak of World War II, Dresden was the seventh largest city in Germany proper.2 With a population of 642,143 in 1939, Dresden was exceeded in size only by Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Cologne, Leipzig, and Essen, in that order.3 The serial bombardments sustained during World War II by the seven largest cities of Germany are shown in Chart A.

                      6. Situated 71 miles E.S.E. from Leipzig and 111 miles S. of Berlin, by rail, Dresden was one of the greatest commercial and transportation centers of Germany and the historic capital of the important and populous state of Saxony.4 It was, however, because of its geographical location and topography and as a primary communications center that Dresden assumed major significance as a military target in February 1945, as the Allied ground forces moved eastward and the Russian armies moved westward in the great combined operations designed to entrap and crush the Germans into final defeat.

                      7. Geographically and topographically, Dresden commanded two great and historic traffic routes of primary military significance: north-south between Germany and Czechoslovakia through the valley and gorge of the Elbe river, and east-west along the foot of the central European uplands.5 The geographical and topographical importance of Dresden as the lower bastion in the vast Allied-Russian war of movement against the Germans in the closing months of the war in Europe.

                      8. As a primary communications center, Dresden was the junction of three great trunk routes in the German railway system: (1) Berlin-Prague-Vienna, (2) Munich-Breslau, and (3) Hamburg-Leipzig. As a key center in the dense Berlin-Leipzig railway complex, Dresden was connected to both cities by two main lines.6 The density, volume, and importance of the Dresden-Saxony railway system within the German geography and e economy is seen in the facts that in 1939 Saxony was seventh in area among the major German states, ranked seventh in its railway mileage, but ranked third in the total tonnage carried by rail.7

                      9. In addition to its geographical position and topography and its primary importance as a communications center, Dresden was, in February 1945, known to contain at least 110 factories and industrial enterprises that were legitimate military targets, and were reported to have employed 50,000 workers in arms plants alone.8 Among these were dispersed aircraft components factories; a poison gas factory (Chemische Fabric Goye and Company); an anti-aircraft and field gun factory (Lehman); the great Zeiss Ikon A.G., Germany’s most important optical goods manufactory; and, among others, factories engaged in the production of electrical and X-ray apparatus (Koch and Sterzel A.G.), gears and differentials (Saxoniswerke), and electric gauges (Gebruder Bassler).9

                      10. Specific military installations in Dresden in February 1945 included barracks and hutted camps and at least one munitions storage depot.10

                      11. Dresden was protected by antiaircraft defenses , antiaircraft guns and searchlights, in anticipation of Allied air raids against the city.11 The Dresden air defenses were under the Combined Dresden (Corps Area IV) and Berlin (Corps Area III) Luftwaffe Administration Commands.12


                      The Russian Request for Allied Bombing of Communications in the Dresden Area:

                      17. The Allied-Russian interchanges that had begun in the closing months of 1944 and had become, with the passing of time, more frequent and more specific, culminated in the ARGONAUT Conferences of January-February 1945. On 4 February, President Roosevelt, Prime Minister Churchill, and Marshal Stalin, together with their foreign secretaries and military advisors, assembled at Yalta to present definitive and specific plans, and requests, for bringing the war against Germany to a victorious conclusion, by the summer of 1945, if possible (Other considerations involved in the ARGONAUT deliberations are not pertinent or relevant here). At this meeting, Marshal Stalin asked Army General Antonov, Deputy Chief of the Russian General Staff, to outline to the Conference the situation existing on the Eastern Front and to describe Russia’s plans for subsequent operations. At the conclusion of his extended presentation, General Antonov made three specific requests for Allied assistance to the Russians: 27

                      Our wishes are:
                      a. To speed up the advance of the Allied troops on the Western Front, for which the present situation is very favorable: (1) To defeat the Germans on the Eastern Front. (2) To defeat the German groupings which have advanced into the Ardennes. (3) The weakening of the German forces in the West in connection with the shifting of their reserves to the East (It is desirable to begin the advance during the first half of February).
                      b. By air action on communications hinder the enemy from carrying out the shifting of his troops to the East from the Western Front, from Norway, and from Italy (In particular, to paralyze the junctions of Berlin and Leipzig).
                      c. Not permit the enemy to remove his forces from Italy.

                      18. It was the specific Russian request for bombing communications, coupled with the emphasis on forcing troops to shift from west to east through communications centers, that led to the Allied bombings of Dresden. The structure of the Berlin-Leipzig-Dresden railway complex, as outlined in paragraph 8 above, required that Dresden, as well as Berlin and Leipzig, be bombed. Therefore Allied air authorities concluded that the bombing of Dresden would have to be undertaken (1) in order to implement strategic objectives, of mutual importance to the Allies and the Russians, and now agreed upon at the highest levels of governmental authority, and (2) to respond to the specific Russian request presented to the Allies by General Antonov to “paralyze the junctions of Berlin and Leipzig.”

                      40. The major significance of the Dresden bombings lay in the fact that they were among several immediate and highly successful air actions made in response to the specific Russian request, given by General Antonov at the ARGONAUT Conference, less than two weeks earlier, for Allied air support of the Russian offensive on the Eastern Front. Had the German communications centers leading to that front–among which Dresden was uniquely important–not been successfully attacked by Allied strategic air forces, there can be little doubt that the course of the European war might have been considerably prolonged.90 At the time of the Dresden bombings, Marshal Koniev’s armies were less than seventy miles east of Dresden and by virtue of their extended positions highly vulnerable to German counterattack, provided the Germans could pass reinforcements through Dresden.91 With communications through Dresden made impossible as a consequence of the Allied bombings, the Russian salient in that area was rendered safe throughout the ensuing months of the war.92


                      When the Allies met at the Yalta Conference on February 4, the Western Allies had already decided to target Dresden. The deputy chief of the Soviet general staff, General Aleksei Antonov, raised two issues at the conference relating to the Western Allied strategic bomber force. The first was the demarcation of a bomb-line running north to south where to avoid accidentally bombing Soviet forces; Western Allied aircraft would not bomb east of the line without specific Soviet permission. The second was to hamper the movement of troops from the western front, Norway and Italy, in particular by paralyzing the junctions of Berlin and Leipzig with aerial bombardment. In response to the Soviet requests, Portal (who was in Yalta) sent a request to Bottomley to send him a list of objectives which could be discussed with the Soviets. The list sent back to him included oil plants, tank and aircraft factories and the cities of Berlin and Dresden. In the discussions which followed, the Western Allies pointed out that unless Dresden was bombed as well, the Germans could route rail traffic through Dresden to compensate for any damage caused to Berlin and Leipzig. Antonov agreed and requested that Dresden be added to his list of requests. Once the targets had been agreed at Yalta, the Combined Strategic Targets Committee, SHAEF (Air), informed the USAAF and the RAF Bomber commands that Dresden was among the targets selected to degrade German lines of communication. Their authority to do this came directly from the Western Allies’ Combined Chiefs of Staff.
                      RAF Air Staff documents state that it was their intention to use RAF bomber command to “destroy communications” to hinder the eastward deployment of German troops, and to hamper evacuation, not to kill the evacuees. The priority list drafted by Bottomley for Portal, so that he could discuss targets with the Soviets at Yalta, included only two eastern cities with a high enough priority to fit into the RAF targeting list as both transportation and industrial areas. These were Berlin and Dresden. Both were bombed after Yalta.
                      Soviet military intelligence asserted that trains stuck in the main station were troop trains passing through Dresden to the front. This proved incorrect, as they were trains evacuating refugees from the east[10].


                    • Do you the difference b/w “reference” and “quote”? Why do you like 5-screens so much?!

                      There’s one phrase in the article you didn’t quote, and that undermines all your claims:

                      A British interpreter later claimed that Antonov and Stalin asked for the bombing of Dresden, but there is no mention of these requests in the official record of the conference and the claim may be Cold War propaganda.[27]


                      “Russians never did explicitly request the bombing of Dresden”

                    • At Yalta on February 4, General Antonov advocated air attacks along a strategic “bomb-line” running south through Stettin to Berlin to Dresden to Zagreb. Portal sent a message from Yalta to Bottomley in London saying that “To enable me to argue against this please send Most Immediate a few good objectives against which we desire to maintain our attacks until they become involved in tactical situation on land. Reply must reach me by 1000C tomorrow 6th February.” Bottomley replied:

                      First priority, ‘A’, were Oil targets like Pölitz, Ruhland, and seven oil refineries in the Vienna area;
                      Second priority, ‘B’, were the only two transportation and industrial areas listed, which were Berlin and Dresden.
                      ‘C’ and ‘D’ were factories making tanks and self-propelled guns, and jet engines.
                      The documents written by the RAF Air Staff state that it was their intention to use RAF bomber command to “destroy communications” to hinder the eastwards deployment of German troops and to hamper evacuation, not to kill the evacuees. The priority list drafted by Bottomley for Portal, so that he could discuss targets with the Soviets at Yalta, included only two eastern cities with a high enough priority to fit into the RAF targeting list as both transportation and industrial areas, these were Berlin and Dresden. Both were bombed after Yalta.


                    • Maybe you should read this one Detard.

                      Dresden: Tuesday, February 13, 1945 by Frederick Taylor. HarperCollins (http://www.harpercollins.com/hc), 10 East 53d Street, New York, New York 10022, 2004, 544 pages, $26.95 (hardcover), $15.95 (softcover).

                      But allegations that Dresden was solely a city of peaceful culture, blessed with “special status” due to its cultural distinction—as one often hears in references to the 1945 bombing—are completely false. Through the latter half of World War II, Dresden was home to many wartime industries and served as a crucial transportation center for traffic channeling to and from Germany’s Eastern Front. In fact, according to the 1942 edition of the Dresdner Jarhbuch (Dresden Yearbook), “Anyone who knows Dresden only as a cultural city, with its immortal architectural monuments and unique landscape environment, would rightly be very surprised to be made aware of the extensive and versatile industrial activity, with all its varied ramifications, that make Dresden . . . one of the foremost industrial locations of the Reich” (p. 148). Wartime industry included radios, aircraft instrumentation, lenses and optics for use in sights, torpedo tails, ammunition casings, and a host of other specialties that fed into these key programs (pp. 148–53). Rail traffic constantly made its way through the Dresden marshalling yards—military traffic headed for the Eastern Front and boxcars of people destined for extermination camps in Poland. The main roads into and out of Dresden stayed equally busy, not only with military traffic headed east but also, by late 1944, with refugee traffic going west.

                      On 1 January 1945, the German high command had secretly declared Dresden a “defensive area” (i.e., a temporary fortification). In a sign of the times, though, the once-plentiful flak defenses were moved west to the higher-priority Ruhr industrial area. Also lending credence to the city’s illusory special status was a telling lack of air-raid shelters. Dresden had the obligatory sirens, but many residents were forced to rely on basements of seventeenth- and eighteenth-century buildings for shelter. Due to a swelling of refugees, not only from the east but also from previously bombed-out areas in western Germany, Dresden experienced a severe shortage of lodging and a corresponding paucity of air-raid shelters.

                      Taylor draws upon British war records to recount that the Russians had requested Allied bombing of German lines of communications and had mentioned Dresden by name as one of the targets. He also points out that Allied intelligence agencies had correctly identified the military-related industry in and around Dresden, sometimes down to the company name and street address.

                      The fall of the Iron Curtain allowed Taylor to exhaustively research records in the former East Germany. These documents have helped to shatter the alleged “truth” about Dresden and its population’s fate. In fact, differences between actual casualty figures and the oft-repeated numbers alleged as true death tolls vary by a factor of 10—about 25,000 versus 250,000, respectively. These formerly inaccessible records also show that Dresden had at least 127 different companies directly contributing to the war effort, not to mention untold other smaller companies that the Nazi government had not registered. Additionally, Taylor makes extensive use of interviews of Dresden citizens who survived the attack to glean truthful impressions of the events of 13–15 February 1945.



                    • Dear Andrew, I have no time to read another two 5-screeners.

                      Here’s from your own source hosted on .mil domain:

                      “Portal (who was in Yalta) sent a request to Bottomley to send him a list of objectives which could be discussed with the Soviets. The list sent back to him included oil plants, tank and aircraft factories and the cities of Berlin and Dresden. In the discussions which followed, the Western Allies pointed out that unless Dresden was bombed as well, the Germans could route rail traffic through Dresden to compensate for any damage caused to Berlin and Leipzig. Antonov agreed and requested that Dresden be added to his list of requests.”

                      What do you want us to believe here? That this was Soviet initiative initiative to bomb Dresden? That Soviets proposed Dresden?

        • Svan, what an utter lying ruSSophile you are! your quote ““Civilized” Americans destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki by atom bombs, killing millions of civilians;” is just such utter lying propaganda that no one in their right mind can believe your fantastic lie!

          Quoting Wikipedia’s “Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki”on the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic explosions, the figures are;
          “Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki,[5]”

          These figures were at a later date updated to;
          “The memorials in Hiroshima and Nagasaki contain lists of the names of the hibakusha who are known to have died since the bombings. Updated annually on the anniversaries of the bombings, as of August 2009[update] the memorials record the names of more than 410,000 hibakusha—263,945[86] in Hiroshima and 149,226[87] in Nagasaki.”
          (The surviving victims of the bombings are called by the Japanese as hibakusha) .

          Therefore, taking the higher figures from the above we have;
          1. Hiroshima, 166 000 + hibakusha 263 945
          2. Nagasaki, 80 000 ” ” 149 226.
          which all together only adds up to 659 171, a figure well short of your quoted “millions”!

          Next you lying scoundrel, you’ll be telling us that, that mass murderer of 10’s of millions of Russians and Ukrainians – J. Stalin – was the greatest living idol of all time? you unworthy and wasted piece of space.

          • I’m as much Russophile as you are Russophobe. Do you mean that if killing 600000 rather than millions, amis become more civilized? Note here that the US is the only country in the world that used atomic weapons against civilians.

            “Next you lying scoundrel, you’ll be telling us that, that mass murderer of 10′s of millions of Russians and Ukrainians – J. Stalin – was the greatest living idol of all time? you unworthy and wasted piece of space.2”

            I never told this, you lying faggot. Stalin was as much murderer as Hitler, Pol Pot, Bandera, Truman, and several other US presidents. The difference between them is that the US nazi didn’t kill there own citizen. So, are they more “civilized” then, ukro-nazi?

            • Actually Soviet Russia used nuclear weapons on its own civilians and military personnel.

              Have you ever heard of the Tomsk test?

              Then there are the atomic tests in which Kazakh civilians were expected to stand outside their homes during testing in order to allow Soviet scientists to check the effects.

              60 Years After First Soviet Nuclear Test, Legacy Of Misery Lives On In Kazakhstanz

              “First Lightning,” a 22-kiloton nuclear bomb, exploded at 7 a.m. local time on August 29, 1949, at the Semipalatinsk testing site in northern Kazakhstan.

              The Cold War nuclear arms race between the Soviet Union and the United States had begun. The United States, which had already demonstrated its nuclear capability with the deadly twin bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, dubbed the Soviet test bomb “Joe 1,” after Josef Stalin.

              At the time, the explosion was a source of pride for the people of the Soviet Union. But that blast, and the hundreds that followed it at the 18,000-square-kilometer site at Semipalatinsk, left a legacy of misery for the people living there.

              By the time it was finally closed in 1989, the Kazakh base — which had been selected by Lavrenty Beria, the infamous head of the NKVD secret police — had been the site of 456 atmospheric and underground nuclear tests, nearly one-quarter of all the nuclear tests ever conducted in the world.

              The “First Lighting” test was hailed as a success. Amid the celebrations, few noticed that Beria’s claim that the Semipalatinsk region was uninhabited was wrong.

              Nor did the issue gain much attention as tests continued over the next four decades. In fact, some of the people of northern Kazakhstan were unwittingly turned into experimental subjects. Residents were ordered to step outside their homes during test blasts, so that they could later be examined as part of studies on the effects of radiation.

              Zoya Mikhailovna is a resident of the Kazakh city of Kurchatov, named after Soviet scientist Igor Kurchatov, who headed the Soviet Union’s nuclear development program.

              The city was the center for the scientists that developed the Soviet Union’s nuclear weapons in the early days of the Cold War. Mikhailovna retold her mother’s stories about the nuclear tests for RFE/RL’s Kazakh Service.

              “According to my mother’s stories, military forces used to ask all the residents to leave their houses, and one could see smoke like a mushroom in the skies after an explosion,” Mikhailovna said. “I used to feel earthquakes when I was sleeping. When we felt the earthquake, we knew that there had been an explosion. Later we got used to it. Then the authorities started exploding those bombs without any warnings at all.”

              Thousands of cases of birth defects, cancer, and neurological illnesses have since been reported in the Semipalatinsk region. Livestock living within range of the site also suffer from deformities and other defects.

              Zhanbolat Gilmanov is an employee at Kazakhstan’s National Nuclear Center, which currently focuses its work on the uranium industry and the nuclear energy industry. He said Soviet authorities distorted the truth about the power of the bombs being tested.

              “Certain information was far from reality in those days. For example, the media reported that a 20-kiloton atomic bomb had been detonated as the Semipalatinsk site. However, when we investigated and measured the bomb’s power, we would find out that it was actually 80 kilotons,” Gilmanov said.

              “The authorities used to report the size of any bomb detonated at the site as being as small as possible. Therefore, all those figures from 0 to 20 kilotons mentioned in some books were false information,” he added.

              Gilmanov said these exaggerated figures left people unprepared for the consequences.

              “From the human viewpoint, this was the wrong thing to do, because these explosions brought not only economic losses for people but also huge moral damage. The environment was badly affected, the land became useless,” Gilmanov said. “There is no such nuclear testing site in other countries — not in the United States, France, or China. Out of 715 [Soviet] nuclear bombs, 500 were tested in Kazakhstan. The reason for this isn’t clear.”

              And as Dmitry Kalmykov of the Ecomuseum in Semipalatinsk told RFE/RL’s Russian Service, the consequences of those tests can still be seen today — and likely for many tomorrows to come — because the area is still inhabited.

              “The Semipalatinsk testing site is the only test site in the world [where people live], and the Kazakh people are the only people in the world who live on a [nuclear] test site,” Kalmykov said. “The civilian population, as they have for years, continue to live on the testing site. In my opinion this is the major problem.”

              How many people live in the contaminated area remains unclear, although Kalmykov said it may be as many as several thousand.

              Most nuclear testing sites are in remote areas — the Nevada desert in the United States, or lonely atolls in the South Pacific for French tests. Such areas are clearly marked as hazardous to human health.

              Kalmykov said that contributing to the problem in Kazakhstan is the fact that no one in Semipalatinsk is sure where the contaminated areas are.

              “These people [living in the area] don’t even know exactly where the testing site is. We conducted a poll among the police, doctors, employees of the governor’s office. They don’t know if they are living on the test site, or next to it,” Kalmykov said.

              “In general, I could go on for half an hour talking about what they don’t have and don’t know. There is practically no information about protection [from radiation exposure] from the government.”

              Dead Zones

              Kazakhstan’s government has at various times said it would resettle people living in Semipalatinsk “dead zones” or fund the cleanup of designated areas in the region. But there is little evidence that officials are carrying through with such plans.

              The Kazakh media occasionally features feel-good stories about individual victims of the tests who receive special medical treatment abroad, such as Berik Syzdykov, a Kazakh man who was born horribly deformed and has undergone radical plastic surgery paid for by various foreign charitable organizations.

              There is also the Nevada-Semipalatinsk Movement that was organized in the late 1980s, during Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev’s perestroika period. It united concerned citizens in Kazakhstan and the United States to press for a cessation of nuclear testing. The movement was a respected example of grassroots detente. Testing stopped at Semipalatinsk in 1989, and Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbaev declared the site closed in 1991.

              The Central Asian presidents chose Semipalatinsk as the site for the signing in 2006 of a multilateral declaration on keeping the region nuclear-free.

              But the August 29 anniversary of the first test is more likely to be a day of mourning for the people still living on and near the Semipalatinsk site.

              No one can say for sure when, or even if, the area will be safe to live in again.

              • Andrew, testing WMD on it’s own citizens is a common disgrace for all nations that posess WMDs.

                America, France or the UK and the USSR alike.

                But no other country but the US purposedly killed 200 000 innocent civilians with an atomic weapon.

                • And Russia killed 62,000,000 people in mass executions, by working them to death, by starving them to death, and so on.

                  Guess what, you are the most evil nation in history.

            • Listen ‘nashi’ Sven, your quote “Do you mean that if killing 600000 rather than millions, amis become more civilized? ” is you at your lying normal, again! I just proved your comment that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki “millions” were killed in the two atomic bomb explosions was pure fabricated lies! as the real figure in the two to four months (including the explosions) was only 246 000!!! a far cry from your millions!

              So what’s new, in true soviet propaganda fashion you are trying to deflect the topic from the relevant truth. Good try soviet goon, but you failed miserably.

              Furthermore, your comment that “Stalin was as much murderer as Hitler, Pol Pot, Bandera, Truman, and several other US presidents. ” is another GROSS LIE on your sick part! Let us get this stupid comment of yours in the correct perspective.
              #1. “Stalin was as much murderer as..” is totally devoid of truth! as your idol Stalin MURDERED IN THE 10’s OF MILLIONS. Got that point straight simpleton.
              #2. Whereas, Hitler in the millions, and Pol Pot likewise in the millions.
              #3. Bandera (who served his time in a German concentration camp during WWII – so how was he able to run the necessary – (read NKVD fabricated) – death squads is a mute point, as all the evidence was concocted by your beloved NKVD.
              #4. Truman, US president at WWII’s end and the Korean War, so be good enough to explain how he was involved in millions dead – and I don’t mean that crap of yours about “the millions in Hiroshima and Nagasaki”, as that already has been proved a gross lie on your part.
              #5. Similarly pray tell about, “the several other US presidents”.

              Also how about telling us about the “Omsk test” or better still the “atomic tests in which Kazakh civilians were expected to stand outside their homes during testing in order to allow Soviet scientists to check the effects.”

              Finally your comments that “The difference between them is that the US nazi didn’t kill there own citizen. So, are they more “civilized” then, ukro-nazi?” is so bereft of common sense logic and more importantly truth that, it only shows you up for what you really are, a non-civilized ruSSo- fascist!

              PS thanks for the spelling errors, like your comments I get a good laugh out of them. Ever thought of being a comic? Don’t! because even at that you will be a dismal failure.

          • “only 246 000”

            Um, within the borders of staying a democracy?

      • The U.S. National Democratic Institute has released the results of its latest poll in Georgia, and finds that support for NATO membership is somewhat tepid: 26% of respondents say that they fully support Georgia’s NATO membership and 36% say they support it somewhat.

        In a poll by IPM for U.S. International Republican Institute (IRI) in September, 2008, 69% of respondents were fully supportive to Georgia’s NATO membership, plus 17% saying that they somewhat support, with only 8% either strongly or somewhat opposing.

        From 68% down to 26% in two years is what you call a “popular NATO”, LR?

      • Hear, hear, La Russophobe !

        • Lick her ass better, lick it well, Bohdan, as a real ukrainian can! Oh La Russophobe, thank you SO MUCH for your beautiful post, oh thank you my mother La Russophobe!!! Hear, hear La Russophobe!

          • Oh you do go on, Svan, at what you really excel in, you lying soviet commie stooge, return to your nashi, OMON and FSB dung heap roots, that you periodically crawl out off.

            Talking about ass licking, give me LR’s anyday rather then the dirty, rotten ass licking of your beloved mass murdering Stalin and Putalin, that you so excel in, you ruSSian stukach! Your masters too, really excel in this department, as only a fascist ruSSian can.

            Besides the truth always really hurts, doesn’t it! Aye faggot Svan!

  3. Gee, thank you for being so democratic and polite and removing not only my posts, but that of another poster as well.

    You are truly in favor of freedom of speech.

    And you still are not able to spell “illiterate” correctly.

    • larussophobe

      If you think “freedom of speech” means you can write whatever you want on our blog, you are less intelligent than a prune.

      “Illiterate” means UNABLE TO READ. It does not mean NEVER MAKES TYPOS, you hopeless gorilla.

  4. dima,

    Your use of idiom is just a little 19th century, but then again, your version of the world resides there too I guess.

  5. Turkey…

    They get the odd Russian tourist me thinks…

    • So the point is that the Turks know from what they speak, right?

      • I know quite a few Turks, they all loathe Russia

        • Good for them.

        • You know just about everybody when they are ready to loathe Russia.

          • Well, I work with Latvians and Turks, as well as Georgians, none of them are particularly fond of the Russian state.

            However, I don’t mind individual Russians, some of them are very good people indeed, such as Igor, who posts here occasionally.

            I understand the Armenians like Russia, but that is probably due to your assistance in their ethnic cleansing policy which has left Armenia 97% ethnically “pure” due to the eradication by deportation or murder, of pretty much all non Armenian populations, such as Georgians and Azeris.

            I wonder what VOR/RTR has to say about this real display of fascist racism?

            Presumably as he has an Armenian aunt by all accounts, he supports Armenian fascism and racism the same way he supports Russian fascism and racism.

            • “However, I don’t mind individual Russians, some of them are very good people indeed.”

              “However, I don’t mind individual Jews, some of them are very good people indeed.”

              You’re a racist.

              • Dimwit dimi, don’t you ever tell the truth! obviously not as again you are at your lying worst!!!

                For example, Andrew said – and I quote him verbatim “However, I don’t mind individual Russians, some of them are very good people indeed, ….”
                You with you warped illogical mentality have twisted this fraudulently into, inter alia, and I quote you verbatim “However, I don’t mind individual Jews, some of them are very good people indeed.”

                You must think that the average person is as stupid or stupider than you, when you changed the word ‘Russian’ in Andrews comment, to ‘Jew’ in your rehashed second quote!

                Put mildly, there is no sane logic in your rationality, none what so ever. Besides if this an example of your reasoning powers, then you do have problems, real problems!

                • Dear plumber, to understand the logic behind my words you should graduate from a colledge first.

                  • Listen dimwit Dimitry there is no logic “behind”
                    your “words”. As they certainly emanate from your “behind”.

                    For your information, dear sanitation cleaner, I graduated from one of the Universities (you’ll need to look this word up in the Oxford dictionary) in this state! as a result of which I actually belong to one of the largest professional bodies in this country. So put this in your ‘merry juana’ pipe and smoke it!

                    Furthermore, the last time I looked in the top earner’s listing, plumbers were second while dentists, held the top spot!

                    • “I actually belong to one of the largest professional bodies in this country”

                      “the last time I looked in the top earner’s listing, plumbers were second while dentists, held the top spot!”

                      So, it sounds you’re plumber, after all.

                      Then, I must say, I have absolutely no objections to yours plumber point of view.

            • “Armenians like Russia, but that is probably due to your assistance in their ethnic cleansing policy which has left Armenia 97% ethnically “pure” due to the eradication by deportation or murder”

              Living in Moscow, I have seen many Georgians and Abkhazians refugees from Abkhazia. Many Armenians and Jews, refugees from Baku and elsewhere in Azerbaijan.

              I even heard from Armenians living in Georgia that Saakashvili is closing ancient Armenian churches and reopening them as Georgian ones.

              But I have not yet seen single Georgian refugee from Armenia.

              Care to give any evidence to the “eradication by deportation or murder” of Georgians in Armenia” you wrote about?

              • The non Armenian population in Armenia was always small, but due to racist policies of the Armenian government and people is now non existent.

                How do you explain a former soviet republic with a homogeneous rate of 97%?

                The overwhelming majority of the murders were of Azeris, however almost all other ethnic minorities such as Georgians and even Russians were forced to flee, the Georgians mainly fled to Georgia.

              • Oh, and I am talking about murder and ethnic cleansing as far back as the 1920’s.

                • Got links, dear Georgian racist?

                • Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: ‘Armenia on the Road
                  to Independence,’ 1918. University of California Press
                  (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13.

                  “The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third of Transcaucasia’s Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the Christians constituted
                  a majority in only three of the seven uezds.”

                  In 1920, ‘0’ percent Muslim.
                  (Han Mutlu)

                  Holdwater: Reader Conan pointed out the Muslim percentage above works out to 47%, not 45%. The 1926 Great Soviet Encyclopedia, the Soviets’ Encyclopedia Britannica, provided the 1918 Azeri population of Erivan at 38%. This figure would not exactly go down to “Zero” percent in a couple of years, but would come awfully close… in what a writer from a 1990 issue of The Jewish Times would call “an appropriate analogy to the Holocaust.” Here is how Dr. Gerard Libaridian dealt with the issue, in 1982.

                  Richard Hovannisian on Armenian Atrocities
                  (From Hovannisian’s The Republic of Armenia, Volume III, as related by Sam Weems’ “Armenia: Secrets of a ‘Christian’ Terrorist State,” pp. 190-192)

                  In 1918, during World War I, perhaps as many as 350,000 Muslims in Armenia became destitute refugees, a third of whom also became “homeless living in misery along the Ottoman frontier.” (P178)

                  The Azerbaijani foreign ministry and press frequently protested the maltreatment of the Turkic population under Armenian domination. Aside from doing nothing to prevent atrocities committed by Western Armenian irregulars, the Erevan government was charged with disregarding the Mus lim destitute, who were denied shelter medical attention, and employment. Of the nearly 15,000 needy in and around the capital city, fewer than 2,500 received even a daily bowl of soup. Furthermore, Armenian welfare agencies knew full well that the disease-ridden Turkish Armenians settled in barracks in the Muslim quarter of Erevan would infect and thus decimate the native inhabitants. (P178)

                  And the Armenians made up the story that the Ottomans committed genocide:

                  On August 1, Khan Tekinskii, the Azerbaijani envoy in Erevan, claimed that 300 Muslim villages had been de stroyed since the beginning of 1918, that the only nondiscrimination shown by Armenians was in their slaugh ter of men, women, and children alike, that Muslim suffering was so intense that thousands were trying to move to Azerbaijan, and that those who had taken arms against the Armenian bandits were simply exercising their right to de fend lives, property, and homes. In Paris, too, the Azerbaijani delegation launched a propaganda campaign to change the image of the Armenians as a helpless, victimized people and to point out what could be expected in areas placed under their domination. On August 20 Topchibasheer warned the peace conference that the ethnic and territorial character of the Caucasus was being radically altered through a policy of terror and violence. Armenian aggression in the provinces of Erevan and Kars. . . was aimed at eliminating the Muslim population and suppressing the principle of self-determina tion. It had just been learned, for example, that the men of six villages had been massacred and their womenfolk dis tributed to the ‘Armenian Warriors.’ Azerbaijan could no longer tolerate such atrocities acquiesce in the loss of a part of its land and people. (P180)

                  And the Armenians today speak of genocide. There was one and they committed it. Is it any wonder American officers at the time spoke of how terrible the Armenian troops were?

                  Consider these facts, as recorded by Armenian Hovannisian:

                  When Muslim villagers attempted to defend their lands by attempting to seize the roads and bridges spanning the Araxes River, Armenian militiamen and irregulars exacted retribution from the most vulnerable Muslim settlements and sacked the large villages of Djanfida and Kiarim-Arkb. News of this operation elicited bitter recriminations from the small Social Revolutionary and Muslim factions in the Armenian Parliament. On August 24 Arsham Khondkarian used the tactic of parliamentary questions to ask if the interior ministry knew that a number of Tatar villages had been pillaged and depopulated, that Armenian civilians had participated in the action, and that such outrages created a most detrimental atmosphere. He received no satisfactory reply.

                  Khondkarian’s pointed questioning was frequently cited in Azerbaijani sources as proof of Armenian culpability. Incorporating this evidence in a formal protest on September 22, Foreign Minister Jafarov charged that the recent pogroms had devastated some fifty Muslim settlements. Public opinion in Azerbaijan was incensed, and the government, revolted by the atrocities, demanded strong measures to ensure the safety of Muslims. [P181]

                  There you have it: an Armenian scholar calling his country’s actions against Muslims “atrocities.” The Armenians must, if they are true believers in Christ, right their own wrongs before calling on Turkey or anyone else to apologize . The Armenians must apologize for their terrible acts of 1918 and 1919 against Muslims. They must give back the lands of more than 1 million Muslims forced out of their homes and farms in 1992.


                  “In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.”
                  Sahak Melkonian, Preserving the Armenian Purity, 1920

                  A Turkish Source

                  Basar, H. K. (ed.); ‘Muslim and Russian Documents on
                  the Genocide Committed by the Armenians Against the
                  Muslims,’ 1981.

                  p. 22.

                  “The atrocities and massacres which have been
                  committed for a long time against the Muslim
                  population within the Armenian Republic have been
                  confirmed with very accurate information, and the
                  observations made by Rawlinson, the British
                  representative in Erzurum, have confirmed that these
                  atrocities were being committed by the Armenians. The
                  United States delegation of General Harbord has seen
                  the thousands of refugees who came to take refuge with
                  Kazim Karabekir’s soldiers, hungry and miserable,
                  their children and wives, their properties destroyed,
                  and the delegation was a witness to the cruelties.
                  Many Muslim villages have been destroyed by the
                  soldiers of Armenian troops armed with cannons and
                  machine guns before the eyes of Karabekir’s troops and
                  the people. When it was hoped that this operation
                  would end, unfortunately since the beginning of
                  February the cruelties inflicted on the Muslim
                  population of the region of Shuraghel, Akpazar,
                  Zarshad, and Childir have increased. According to
                  documented information, 28 Muslim villages have been
                  destroyed in the aforementioned region, more than
                  60,000 people have been slaughtered, many possessions
                  and livestock have been seized, young Muslim women
                  have been taken to Kars and Gumru, thousands of women
                  and children who were able to flee their villages were
                  beaten, raped and massacred in the mountains, and this
                  aggression against the properties, lives, chastity and
                  honour of the Muslims continued. It was the
                  responsibility of the Armenian Government that the
                  cruelties and massacres be stopped in order to
                  alleviate the tensions of Muslim public opinion due to
                  the atrocities committed by the Armenians, that the
                  possessions taken from the Muslims be returned and
                  that indemnities be paid, that the properties, lives,
                  and honour of the Muslims be protected.”

                  • I say:

                    “Care to give any evidence to the “eradication by deportation or murder” of Georgians in Armenia” you wrote about?”

                    You respond with 4 posts, one of which is a 5-screens-long.

                    None of your answer posts has the word “georg” in it. You’re stupid, right?

                    • OK retard:

                      n March of 1918 Armenian armed forces had fulfilled largest mass killings. On March 18 of 1918 armed forces of Armenian Bolsheviks entered Shamakhy and mercilessly attacked local population. 12 thousand Azerbaijani were killed until the end of the month. Genocide by Armenian armed forces in Baku resulted in killings of 18 thousand people of civil population from March 30 to April 2. At the same time, bandits entered into Guba province killed about 3 thousand people. During several days, Armenian Bolshevik terrorist organizations killed over 50 thousand people of civil population in Baku, Shamakhy, Guba, Irevan, Zangezur, Nakchyvan, Garabagh and other places. But massacres implemented by Armenians did not finish. In August of 1919 the government of Armenia under the pressure of Western countries was forced to partially admit its crimes. Armenia’s government by official statement confirmed the fact that during 1918 as a result of crimes fulfilled by heads of bandit groups of Andronik, Manukyan, Saakyan and Kachaznuni in Caucasus there were killed 400 thousand Azerbaijani, 120 thousand Georgians, 15 thousand Kurds and 22 thousand Lezgins and undertook to punish those who guilty.


                    • Now can I see you’re totally stupid, right.

                      Give me any non-azeri source – something called “reliable and neutral source”.

                      Because I can send you links to Azeris accusing Armenians of every crime on planet Earth…

                    • Being the retard that you are, you are unable to understand even the most simple of sources.

                      I suggest you read D.M.Lang’s “A Short History of Georgia”

                    • “The Armenian republic of Dashnaks [during its formation in 1918] had received from Allies the Kars district, the parts of the Erivan guberniia (province) taken away in 1918. So, the territory of Armenia made up approximately 17,500 English square miles with population of 1,510,000 people (795,000 Armenians, 575,000 Moslems [Azerbaijanis], 140,000 of other nationalities including a large number of Georgians). Dashnaks not being satisfied with it laid claims to the Akhalkalak and Borchaly territories (parts of Georgia), and to Karabakh, Naxcivan districts and to the southern part of great Elisavetpol guberniia (parts of Azerbaijan). The attempts of annexing these territories by force (in the period of the British occupation of Transcaucasus) led to the war with Georgia (December, 1918) and long bloody struggle with Azerbaijan resulted in reduction of contested regions’ population by 10-30%, and a number of settlements were literally wiped off the face of the earth. The fight was extremely fierce in Karabakh where the Dashnaks settled down firmly. Only downfall of the Musavat Party and Sovietization of Baku (27 April 1920) saved the Karabakh Armenians from complete defeat.”

                      “Being proposed (July 1920) to accept Karabakh, Naxcivan and other areas [of Azerbaijan] loyal to Soviet power, the Yerevan government agreed to start guerilla actions on the mentioned above territories issuing confidential order to their Dashnak war leaders. These actions started in September 1920. At the same time Dashnaks having received weapons from Britain, organized pogroms of Moslem [mainly Azerbaijani] population in the whole of Kars province and Erevan district reducing Shuragel, Sharur-Daralagez, Kaguzman, Surmanly, Karagurta, Sary Kamysh regions to ashes. Having secured such a rear they attacked Olta and Kaguzman acquiring the support of Makin Sardar.”

                      Great Soviet Encyclopedia (GSE), “Armenian Question” First Edition, Volume Three (ANRIO-ATOKCIL), Moscow, 1926. GSE was the most authoritative and comprehensive Soviet encyclopedia, an equivalent of of the Encyclopedia Britannica.

                      Compare above 1918 population statistics with Armenia’s 2001 census, as determined from the CIA Factbook: 97.9% Armenian, 1.3% Kurd, 0.5% Russian, 0.3% Other.

                    • “Compare above 1918 population statistics with Armenia’s 2001 census, as determined from the CIA Factbook”

                      Sunshine, what you do is a very creative and insightful research.

                      Of course, the only reason why there is less Georgians in Armenia in 2001, than there was in 1918 may be –


                      I, however, asked for a single non-azeri source claiming that there was an “eradication by deportation or murder” of Gerogians in Armenia.

                      It would be the third time you’ll fail to present a single link in support of your point of view, sunshine.

                    • Well Dmitry retard,

                      I was quoting the Great Soviet Encyclopedia (GSE), “Armenian Question” First Edition, Volume Three (ANRIO-ATOKCIL), Moscow, 1926. GSE was the most authoritative and comprehensive Soviet encyclopedia, an equivalent of of the Encyclopedia Britannica.

                      This not good enough for you?

                      Really, you are a pathetic little chap.

  6. “[…] unfavorable views have decreased by 22 points in the United Kingdom (now 33%, down from 55%) and by 20 points in Canada (now 34%, down from 54%).

    Negative attitudes have also moderated notably in the USA, Germany, and France, though these countries are still predominantly negative. Among Americans, negative views have dropped by 18 points bringing it below half (now 46%, down from 64%). Among Germans, negative views have fallen by 16 points (now 54%, down from 70%), and among the French by 11 points (now 55%, down from 66%).

    Other notable drops are found in Portugal, by 18 points (now 36%, down from 54%); Turkey, by 14 points (now 50%, down from 64%); Japan, by 16 points (now 22%, down from 38%); and Chile, by nine points (now 24%, down from 33%).”

    Sounds like Russia is on the right track, despite your best efforts :>

    • larussophobe

      We’re glad you agree that it should be Russia’s goal to improve the opinion Americans hold of it.

      Given that, we’re sure you’ll also agree that Russia has much more hard work to do, since “views on Russia’s influence are still predominantly negative worldwide.”


      • Too loud a duffer still a duffer…

        • Francis Smyth-Beresford

          Pay attention, Dima; don’t you know it only matters what Americans think? The entire world can hold opinion X, and it’s all for naught if America holds opinion Y.

          Therefore, until Americans have a positive view of Russia, it doesn’t matter what the rest of the world thinks.

          • “Therefore, until Americans have a positive view of Russia, it doesn’t matter what the rest of the world thinks.”

            Oh really? In Russia, people don’t case what is the view of Americans. Why should they care? Americans are enemies and the enemies of US are friends. That’s the Russian view.

            • Dude, I’m Russian and love my country not less than you do. Please listen to an advice: read and understand others’ posts before you make a comment. Russia will only benefit from that.

            • Francis Smyth-Beresford

              I was being sarcastic, Svanidze. A little like wordplay in Russian. And although I do not often agree with LR, in this case the thread has gotten way, way off the topic. Many are now just arguing for the sake of argument, which is not constructive.

              • I do it for lulz:D

                I know that this is “not constructive”, but I would not spare a minute of my life seriously trying to talk to, say, Bohdan or LES.

            • We know that Russia considers the U.S. (and the West in general) as her enemy, but thanks for confirming that. Some Russophiles here and elsewhere deny it, however.

              • You’ll be surprised, but noone thinks that Germany, or France, or Italy, or Spain, etc. are our enemies, or even adversaries. We think they’re friends.

                Moreover, Rissians like common American people. What they dislike the most is the policy of Bush: Iraq, Iran, Georgia, Guantanamo, 9/11, Afghanistan, Ukraine, etc. Each of these events made our opinion of the USA less favorable.

          • I beleive the most important is what CNN (or, Murdoch?) thinks.

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