EDITORIAL: Russia Brutalizes its Children

EDITORIAL

Russia Brutalizes its Children

The sensational case of Torry Hansen, the Tennessee nurse who sent her rebellious Russian adopted child back home on a plane by himself, has caused a backlash in the Russian government leading to a savage crackdown on American adoptions by the government and a frenzied torrent of venom from Russian nationalists (Russians, of course, can’t be judged on identical or even worse individual acts of horror by their citizens, but Americans, of course, can be).  To say the least, this response is deranged.

According to UNICEF, as of 2007 Russia had four million orphaned children. Contrast this with the United States, which has only 2.8 million orphans despite having a population more than twice as large as Russia’s.  This means that the per capita rate of child alienation in the United States is over 80% lower than in Russia.  Of course, with an adult lifespan two decades shorter than an American’s, Russian parents simply aren’t likely to live long enough to take care of their children, to say nothing of being far more likely to abuse and brutalize them if they do.

Even the likes of Pravda recognizes that the number of orphaned children in Russia is soaring out of control, even according to the Kremlin’s own data. Here’s what a Russian orphan can expect from life if, like one out of four, he ends up in a state facility:

In most orphanages, children are bathed together with no hot water available. They dine on porridge and bits of chicken with no fresh fruits, vegetables or red meat available. They sleep in wards of typically 12 children on old mattresses with ragged blankets. Many of these facilities are under heated and toys or other tools to stimulate a child’s mind are scarce. Many of these orphans suffer from weakened immune systems and, thus, all manner of illness. Their mental, emotional and physical development often seriously stunted.  Due to poor conditions, inadequate nutrition and insufficient emotional care, many of these children are underdeveloped mentally and physically. The older the child and the longer he/she is in the system, the greater the emotional and, often, physical problems become. Disease passed on by the birth mother is frequent. In one orphanage in central Russia, all but one out of a group of 30 children had syphilis.

90% of these children have living parents, who have simply abandoned them. Even the tiniest babies are brutalized.  NPR reports:

Elena Olshanskaya started a group of volunteers to help children in hospitals after noticing abandoned babies in rooms at the hospital where she gave birth. “I was stunned,” she says. “They were completely alone. They were fed several times a day and that was it. After a while, they just stop crying.”

That fate is so horrific that vast, uncountable numbers of Russian children simply live on the streets to avoid it.  The fate of Russia’s unwanted children was chronicled brilliantly in the 2005 film “The Italian” by Russian director Andrei Kravchuk.

Russia makes only a tiny faction of these children available for foreign adoption.  Russian Life reports:  “From 1992 through 1999, some 15,000 orphans were adopted by Americans. The total number of Russian children adopted by foreigners, in 1999, was 6,200; 4,300 of which were adopted by Americans. Children adopted by Russian families, not including those adopted by blood relatives, was around 7,000. The total number of orphans available for adoption in 1999 was ca. 80,000.” Since then, even though the total were meager, Russia has cracked down on foreign adoptions.   Last year, Americans adopted only 1,586 Russian children, a tiny fraction of the nearly 13,000 total foreign adoptions by Americans and an even punier share of the nearly 150,000 total adoptions of all children by Americans.

So the notion that Russian kids are somehow being victimized by Americans is absolute garbage.  In fact, they are far better off in American homes rather than Russian ones, it is Russia which is brutalizing them, not least by erecting barriers to access by American families to Russian adoptions.  Until Russia can care for its own children, it owes them every opportunity to access care from others.  If Vladimir Putin really cared about the welfare of his people, then the fate of their children would be his top priority. But Putin is far more interested in imperial aggression against places like Georgia and Ukraine than he is in saving Russia’s brutalized children.

244 responses to “EDITORIAL: Russia Brutalizes its Children

  1. Oh , how very sad!
    I knew, that when this recent sensational case, at first hit the world-wide news media, that the Putin gangsters would use it, as but another of their lamebrain/unproductive anti-American propaganda spears, to down America and vicious/unkind Americans, while making themselves appear, as…true protectors of poor little orphans, etc.
    We do not yet know the full sory of this particular Russian child’s problems, or all the whys that he was sent back to Russia. From what that adoptive mother did say: …he was a threat to the rest of her family, and she could not control his eratic criminal violent behaviour, etc.
    Others have said, if that were so, then the child should have been turned over to Tennessee state authorities, who could have easily placed him in another home, (& not have sent him back to Russia, etc.)
    I personally am aware of a number of similar sad cases in America, especially of adopted Romanian children who came from those horrible Romanian state institutions, that there have been SOME similar horror stories, as many of those poor orphans are severely damaged, mentally as well as physically.
    However! the head of foreign adoptions, for our federal government, recently stated that, of approximately over 50,000 foreign orphans adopted by Americans, ‘only a handfull’ have been failures. Most have been quite successful, for both the parents and the children.
    Of, course, our Kremlin friends, don’t really care about Russian orphans, only about USING them, as but another propaganda EXCUSE to attack America.
    So, what else is new?

  2. This whole scandal has nothing to do with America; it shows how barbaric Russia is – it neglects, abuses and tortures their own children.

    By the way, there was a program on European Journal about the unique Russian orphanage in Siberia where children were happy, healthy and treated like human beings. This place was run by Polish catholic nuns – what a humiliation for Russia and what a noble gesture on the part of Poland.

  3. Thank you for this editorial LR ! Just what I requested a little bit back. We are of one mind here. You couldn’t have done better.

  4. We had a huge problem with it in the 90ies. And, yes, it is a great pain for Russians.

    We are going to recuperate as a society in the next decade or two, even now we have one of the best fertility rates in Eastern Europe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate

    Hope that family relations would get back to the pre-1990 level some day. Meanwhile, thank you all for your calm and reasoned responses to the article – the ones like you incite in us Russians a very clear wish to leave the 90ies behind.

    • dude, you’re weird on that fertility map you linked to it shows that Russia has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world.
      And in any case this whole thing about how the 1990’s were such a terrible time is propaganda crap, I lived through the 1990’s, economically that decade wasn’t really that much worse than the peak of the oil book in 2007 and it was in many ways better than the sort of fix we’re in at the moment, at least in 1998 after the default Yeltsin’s government froze utility rates for a whole year and what did Putin do? He kept raising them right through the crisis like there’s no tomorrow. And in terms of freedom and democracy the 1990’s were way better than now, far from perfect of course still much better that the sort of neo-Soviet policy state Putin and co have been working on creating here over the past decade.

      • Voice of Reason

        Igor,

        Are you serious? I don’t know your personal situation, and it may very well be the case that you did very well financially in the 1990s, but nobody can forget the total economic collapse that occurred in the 1990s, the 1997 default, the botched, incompetent and corrupt civil war in Chehcnya that Yeltsin started in 1994, the impending doom of country’s dissolution and of civil wars. Just ask those few senior citizens who survived the 1990s, how bad the 1990s were – and they will tell you. And as far as Yeltsin and his “democratic” attitudes go – well, you just have to see how he hand-picked a KGB colonel as his “successor” because Berezovsky told him that this colonel promised not to prosecute Yeltsin’s family for the enormous crimes that they had committed while in power.

        And as far as the low birth rate goes, surely you can’t blame Putin. Under Putin, this rate has increased. It was Yeltsin’s rule that caused the decline in birth rate. And Russia is not the lowest in birth rate. Birth rate is very low among many developed countries. Just look at the name sof countries that are worse off than Russia: Macau, Hong Kong, Belarus, South Korea, Ukraine , Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Lithuania, Singapore, Japan, Hungary, Slovenia, Latvia, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece. And Germany is right next to Russia.

        So, in terms of birth rate, Russia is ahead of all developed East Asian countries and virtually all Eastern, Southern and Central European countries.

        Putin is not in charge of Ukraine or Latvia. So, why are their birth rates even lower than Russia’s? Is it Putin’s fault? Are Ukrainians and Belorusans using condoms because Putin told them to? Or isn’t it because all of Eastern Europe is experiencing the temporary economic problems caused by transition from one economic system to another?

        • Actually, RTR, the Yeltsin government did not cause the decline in the birth rate, or the collapse of the health system, or many of the other things it was blamed for.

          The collapse in birth rates in Russia, and the rapidly declining life expectancy were both well documented during the latter years of the soviet union, particularly in the last two decades of soviet misrule.

          • Andrew , just stop spreading disinformation. Just stop. You sound like a KPSS party rural propagandist, when you do this. Here’s the official data, feel free to explain it in some reasonable manner, if you think Yeltsin was a cool guy for Russia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_of_Russia.PNG

            And, of course, feel free to explain this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_of_Estonia_(1960-2008).png

            and this: File:Population of Ukraine v.2.PNG

            or this: File:Georgia Pop1921-2008.jpg, etc, etc, etc.

            • Andrew – PLEASE find this “rapidly declining life expectancy well documented during the latter years of the soviet union” in any of the files I linked. PLEASE!

              • Well moron, try reading some academic articles instead of Putins propaganda.

                The increase in Russian death rates during the 1990s captured public attention. Nicholas Eberstadt, a scholar with the American Enterprise Institute, called it a “catastrophe of historic proportions,” involving far more premature deaths than were suffered by the Russian army in World War I. Life expectancy for men fell abruptly from a high of 65 years in 1987 to a low of 57 years in 1994, then rebounded to 61 years in 1998.

                Most commentators have put the decline in the context of the economic and social turmoil following the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1989. But a team of Russian and French demographers collected several decades of time-series mortality data for the former Soviet Union and dated the decline to the early 1960s, long before the breakup.

                For the first 40 or so years of its existence, the USSR enjoyed a remarkable improvement in health conditions, despite civil wars, internal repression, and world war. By the early 1960s, life expectancy had caught up with that in the United States. During the 1960s, though, life expectancy in the United States rose rapidly, while life expect-ancy in the Russian republic faltered and began to decline. The gap between East and West in life expectancy, like the gap in economic performance, grew steadily wider.

                This trend was already apparent by the early 1980s. In a 1982 Population Bulletin published by PRB, Murray Feshbach, former chief of the U.S. Census Bureau’s research unit on the USSR’s population, noted “the mortality rise of the last decade and a half” and cautioned that “[I]f the health sector is neglected, the adverse mortality trend which has resulted in a major reduction in the life expectancy of Soviet males may persist.”

                The story within the story came in the late 1980s, when then-President Mikhail Gorbachev instituted a vigorous antialcohol campaign as part of a wider effort to rescue Russian society, and the Soviet state, from self-destruction. The draconian, unpopular, and probably unsustainable campaign produced a sharp but temporary improvement in mortality rates. The collapse of the public health campaign, the collapse of the Gorbachev government, and the breakup of the Soviet Union nearly coincided in 1988 and 1989. The progress quickly made since the mid-1980s was just as quickly lost, and the long-term decline continued until the mid-1990s.

                Cause-of-death data are difficult to use for comparisons over long periods or across countries with very different medical and statistical systems, but several independent analyses have come to the same conclusion: The decline in life expectancy and the gap between levels in Russia and the rest of Europe can be attributed mainly to abnormally high rates of cardiovascular disease and injury, for both of which abuse of alcohol was a major risk factor.

                But limiting the comparison to the last 10 or 12 years is misleading. Comparing the unusually good years of 1986 and 1987, when the antialcohol campaign was most effective, with the lowest points of the mid-1990s exaggerates the speed of decline. Any other choice of start and end dates would produce a more characteristic picture of steady, long-term decline.

                This is not just a historian’s quibble, since such comparisons have political meaning in Russia today. Dating every bad trend from 1989 fits in with revisionist nostalgia for the old days under communism. It also fits with the arguments made about giving foreign aid and policy advice to Russia: The catastrophe shows either the need for more aid and advice or the mess that comes of accepting either, depending on one’s point of view. Perhaps worst of all, the exclusive focus on the post-Soviet period obscures the achievement of the mid-1980s, which must rank as one of the most dramatic improvements in life expectancy ever induced by public policy. Surely there are some lessons from that experience, and an example of real accomplishment amidst the turmoil of the last days of the Soviet Empire, that could help Russians continue their recovery from their current troubles.

                John Haaga is director of Domestic Programs at the Population Reference Bureau.

                References

                Vladimir Shkolnikov, France Meslé, and Jacques Vallin, “Health Crisis in Russia,” Population: An English Selection 8 (1996).

                Alexandre Avdeev and Alain Blum, “La population russe : des raisons d’espérer ?” (‘The Russian Population: Reasons for Hope?’) Population & Sociétés 351 (November 1999). Available in French on the INED website: http://www.ined.fr/publications/.

                Nicholas Eberstadt, “Russia: Too Sick to Matter?” Policy Review, no. 95 (June and July 1999): 3-26.

                José Luis Bobadilla, Christine A. Costello, and Faith Mitchell, eds., Premature Death in the New Independent States (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1997).

                http://www.prb.org/Articles/2000/HighDeathRateAmongRussianMenPredatesSovietUnionsDemise.aspx

                • Now how do you speak with a person that calls you a moron when you give him a link to WP that contradicts his views?

                  Dear, beloved Andrew!

                  You told me that life expectancy fallen in the LATTER years of the USSR. So 60ies, and 70ies are by no means “latter” years of the USSR. And, would you look at the graph once again, you’ll see the life expectancy now rises.

                  As to the “latter” years, 80ies, that was the time of Gorbatchev’s anti-alcohol campaing, which saw a rapid grow of the average life expectancy. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:BirthDeath_1979_RU.svg

                  It was only in post-soviet Russia in the 90ies, when life expectancy began to fall again.

                  Now it raises once again.

                  • And, yes, providing sourses from 1997-1999 was very smart of you.

                  • No Dimitry, it does not contradict my views, it contradicts yours.

                    The long term trend in the USSR & Russia from the late 60s to the current day is one of decline in life expectancy.

                    There were 2 (and I quote) unusually good years in 1986 & 1987 due to the anti-alcohol drive, but these were merely a short term blip.

                    Just as most Russian and UN experts believe the current increase in births is just a temporary blip.

                    By the way idiot, considering that the Soviet monstrosity lasted from 1917-1991, the 70’s and 80’s are the later years, I mean we all know that you Soviet remnants got an inferior education, but come on!

                    • Sorry, what exactly do you mean, if you say, for example, “latter years of a century”? The second half of it? Theen why don’t you say just, “the latter half of the century”?

                      You called the “the latter years”, not “the later years” – the last ones.

                      And 60ies and 70ies are definitely not the latter years of the USSR.

                      So, yoes, buddy, you may beleive in any myth you want to, but since 1950, male life expactancy in USSR grown up from 61 to 65 years, and female – from 67 to 75.

                      After the USSR fell apart, life expectancy fell dramatically in the beloved 90ies, to 57 and 71 years.

                      During the Putin’s bloody regime, life expectancy was steadili growing, and now it’s 63 and 75 years – almost back to the USSR times.

                      Sorry I have to waste my time explaining this to you.

                      Just one more myth from you:

                      “The long term trend in the USSR & Russia from the late 60s to the current day is one of decline in life expectancy.”

                      1950, 61 (m), 66 (f),
                      2007 62 (m), 74 (f).

                      You call me idiot?

                • Voice of Reason

                  During the 1960s, though, life expectancy in the United States rose rapidly, while life expect-ancy in the Russian republic faltered and began to decline.

                  Where exactly was this “Russian republic” in the 1960s? On the Moon? That sounds like total gibberish.

                  • @Where exactly was this “Russian republic” in the 1960s? On the Moon?

                    In the USSR. Росси́йская Сове́тская Федерати́вная Социалисти́ческая Респу́блика.

                    Dima, you’re just not even really trying anymore.

                    • Trying what, Bobby?

                      You tell me the life expectancy fell, I give you the numbers that clerly show it raised, you call me moron, or idiot, or else.

                      What else should I try?

                      Sorry, Bobby, I know too much intelligent people that I can talk with – instead of “trying” anything else with you.

                    • “If you attempt to imply that because we have ignored your comment you “win,” your comment may be deleted.”

                      I don’t, of course.

        • Dear, Voice of Reason
          First of all the default was in 1998, second you talk about the 1990’s as if it was some dim and distant hardly remembered past, you don’t have to be a senior citizen to have lived through the 1990’s, I lived through that period I was a student at the time, it was a difficult period but it wasn’t half as bad as the modern propaganda are painting it. Yes during Putin’s first term in office as president there was a growth in GDP in Russia but most of that growth was down to rising oil prices and what did Putin and co do with all the extra cash? Did they re-invest it in the economy to make it less oil dependent and more diversified? Hardly (here’s an interesting article that talks about what all this money got spent on http://www.theotherrussia.org/2010/03/26/yulia-latynina-on-russias-squandered-billions/)

          Now as for people’s income, it has certainly increased on average, but so have the consumer prices, and while I now make more than ten times as much as I made in my first entry level job back in 1998, the price of an Orbit pack has gone up 15 fifteen-fold in the same period, so while people these days make more money in absolute terms if you adjust their income for inflation you’ll see that quite a few people ended up less wealthy than they were in the 1990’s.

          And as for Yeltsin, he was many things and he did hand over power to Putin in the end, yes he had his reasons, but it was Putin who, as soon as he was in power, immediately started curbing freedoms and gagging the mass media. Take the two Chechen wars for example, in terms of corruption and war crimes they weren’t that much different, what was different was that during the second Chechen war Putin’s government imposed total information control over the campaign so people were never told what was actually going in Chechnya and we’re not told much about it to this day. Just carefully selected bits and pieces of information about ‘successful’ counter-terrorist operations here and there, and then when once again bombs go off in the Moscow metro people are left wondering, how come, officially we won in Chechnya, they told us so on TV, oh, they probably forgot to notify the Chechen militants about it.

          Putin and his government have been known to massage statistics ever since they first came to power. So I bet if you look closely into the methods they used to get those birth rate increases you’re probably going to find that they simply counted them differently this time. It’s like that drop in the number of people below poverty level that Putin’s government flaunted with such pride in the early naughties saying it was one of Mr. Putin’s greatest personal achievements. Back then NTV was still somewhat independent and Savik Shuster had a show called Freedom of Speech, in one of the shows they invited a representative of the Russian State Statistics Bureau and questioned him about this drop in the number of poor, the guy kept dodging the question but finally he gave in and said the government told them they needed an improvement in that department and so they simply reduced the official poverty level by a couple dozen roubles until they got the result Putin wanted from them. So I would suggest that all the official statistics that come from Russia should be taken with a pound or two of salt.

          As for all those other nations that have even lower birthrates than Russia, you know what if all the rest of the world had a plague decimating their populations, would that make having a plague in Russia OK? For me the fact that someone is even worse than us is no argument at all.

          • Voice of Reason

            Igor,

            I have no time to go into details here, but in order to remind you how bad the life was under Yeltsin, let me remind you the prediction that the World’s most trusted magazine – The Economist – made for Russia for year 1999:

            http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=8518&IBLOCK_ID=35

            Press Review: The Economist’s Three Stooges

            First up is Edward Lucas, the Moscow correspondent who in the annual glossy “The World in 1999” issue, issued this prediction for Russia, at once gloating and apocalyptic:

            “1999 will be the year of Russia’s disintegration… Trade between Russia’s regions will plunge at least until they hit on a stable, trusted currency in which to do business. That is hardly likely to be the rouble, and the planned coupons and currencies which some regions have been planning look equally unattractive substitutes… foreign invasion, albeit of a peaceful and benevolent kind, is exactly what Russia’s regions should want… The probable decline in Russia’s wealth in 1999 will be around 10%expect yet another bleak and miserable year”.

            How would you like your crow pie served, Mr. Lucas?
            ————————

            • There are people who make similar predictions about Russia now, so what, just this morning I got a call from a guy I went to uni with who’s now thinking of emigrating to Belarus, of all places, as his opinion the quality of life (whatever that means) is better than in Russia there.

              • Putin and his government have been known to massage statistics ever since they first came to power. – I’m sorry, but can you give any proofs? Умут the recording of that government official in the “Freedom of speech”?

              • And, yes, Igor, tell your friend never to think of emigration to Belarus. Beleive me, I have plenty of friends there, I know the region, I’ve worked there – and if your friend’s not going to life to 300USD per month, he has nothing to do in Minsk. He will be robbed by the state the first day he decides to start a business there.

          • “In the 90ies, I was a student, and the grass was greener and the girls were younger, I had a ()ner, and that was a perfect time”. (Sorry, just couldn’t resist:))

            90ies were bad for Russian:

            economics,
            demography,
            political system,
            geopolitical place,
            society,
            culture,
            religions, and EVERY other aspect of Russian life.

            If you need any sources for any claims I will find them. Just don’t ask abt. every point – there’s too much of them.

            You tell me what was good in the 90ies, I prove you’re wrong:)

            • Dmitry, once again let me stress that when we talk about good and bad, we need points of reference, comparisons. Yes, the 1990’s were a rather bad decade for Russia but the decade just ending has been quite as bad or even worse in some respects. You see the only difference between the 1990’s and the 2000’s is the higher price of oil. However, unfortunately, our government has not capitalised on this period of high oil prices, no attempts were made to diversify the economy, instead they focused almost all of their efforts on strengthening the ‘Power Vertical’, while our economy’s dependency on exports of mineral resources has grown out of all proportion.
              Actually the situation now is somewhat similar to the 1970’s when the oil prices were high and the USSR could afford to act like a superpower, while buying food from the very capitalists it proclaimed to be struggling against, to feed its own population. Then in the late 1980’s the price of oil hit the floor at USD 15 per barrel and the mighty giant called USSR simply disintegrated. Unfortunately the situation now is such that if/when the price of oil takes a significant plunge again, I’m afraid Russia will follow in the footsteps of the USSR, in other words it will disintegrate and cease to exist as we know it. And in fact disintegration the USSR style, i.e. primarily peaceful with a few ‘hot spots’ here and there would be the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is a civil war.

              • Igor, you seem like a very decent and intelligent chap, one that your country desperately needs more of.

              • Igor, so what abt the privatisation? Couldn’t it compensate for the low price of oil?

                You beleive in Russia desintegration, a thing I do not beleive in. But whatever my and your beleifs are, any desintegration or revolution would bring a huge population loss, and a huge wave of civil wars. That is not what anyone should “want”, really.

                As to the Russian economy, imagine we would have that about 100% of GDP of foreign debt the UK and the USA and most other western states have. Wouldn’t that help us to be better off economically? But we do not have it now, and we wouldn’t have to return it in the future.

                Greece and Spain have to do something abt.their debts now, and you, og course, know of all the fuss around it. I’d say EU felling apart is quite more probable. Not to say of what is going to happen to US society when they would have to pay off their debts.

        • @incompetent and corrupt civil war in Chehcnya that Yeltsin started in 1994

          As opposed to the incompetent and corrupt “civil war in Chehcnya” that Yeltsin started in 1999?

          The only civil war in Chechnya was in 1993-94, increasingly with the covert Russian involvement (until the opposition became mere puppets accompanying the Russian tanks with the Russian crews disgusides as Chechens following the unmarked Russian aircraft, Moscow decided to invade openly when the dozens of captured Russian “opposition fighters” were paraded on TV).

      • Such a nice talk, really, Igor. You should adore this site.

        Well, would one surely make me beleive that 10 years, 90ies, during which EVERY freaking post-USSR state lost 15-20 percent of it’s population was a good time? He would tell me that Yeltsin was a democrat.

        ORLY? What about 1991, when he overthrown democratically elected Gorbatchov? Or about 1993, when tanks fired at the democratically elected parliament by his order? Or 1994 when he started the Chechnya war inside the borders of his own country, and which his ministers provoked from the beginning? Or 1996, when he used oligarchs money and all the administrative pressure he could use to prevent Russians from democratically electing Zyuganov a president?

        So now that’s what they call a democracy. Now I understand why they call the USA, a state with the two parties, ultra-closed political system, and the highest rate of prison population in the world a “banner of democracy”. Sure thing, that is what the democracy means. 15 millions die somewhere, and 15 millions are gained by someone somewhere else. Cool.

        Damn it, 10 peaceful years comparable in terms of the population losses during the WWII…

        PS. Never asked yourself why it’s now the US, not the USA?

        • dude, I never said the 1990’s was a good period I simply pointed out that it wasn’t really that much worse than what we’re living through now and in some respects, like freedom of speech, it was better.
          Ok, Yeltsin was bad I agree with you, but Putin is no better and probably even worse, after all Yeltsin was wasted out of his wits most of the time, so people could go about doing their own thing, and Putin is sober and focused and hungry and seems to be bent on totally subjugating the country to his will, imho it’s much more dangerous than having a drunk for president.

          • “after all Yeltsin was wasted out of his wits most of the time, so people could go about doing their own thing” – that’s what they did, dude, that’s exactly what they did. Remember privatization? Ever thought why we did not convey it the way they did in Eastern Europe?

            As to the Putin, seriously, what is his ultimate goal with this absolute power you attribute to him? What does he fight for? Money? more power? Admiration? Where exactly did he harm my country most, even more than 90ies did, what do you think?

            • Privatization was simply a way for the more entrepreneurial to help themselves to the assets they state said it no longer needed. And what is happening now? In effect Putin’s been conducting a sort of re-privatization in which him and his cronies just go and grab whatever assets they like for themselves and the people that happen to stand in their way are either jailed or killed. And the ordinary people are still left with zilch in the process.
              I don’t know what Putin’s ultimate goal is, but like most of them he probably does want more money and power and as for the harm he’s done to Russia, I simply don’t know where to begin: imho the most harm has been done in the brainwashing department, the way him and his government have been blatantly lying to people , because underneath what they’ve been doing, as I said before, isn’t that much different from what was done under Yeltsin, but at least back then we had a bit more honesty while now as the situation keeps getting worse and worse a lot of people actually have been brainwashed into thinking it’s improving.

              • Man, Putin is not your kind of guy, but that does not mean liking him is being brainwashed.

                Privatisation did in early 1990ies was more than a nighmare, it was a war on destruction of Russian economics.

                Compare Russian privatisation with any other Eastern European country, and you’ll see what I mean.

                • Dude, I’m not disputing the fact that the 1990’s privatization was a bad thing for the majority of the population.
                  And liking someone who’s hurting you can be either a result of being brainwashed or it has to be a form of perversion. Neither is healthy.

                  • “hurting you ” – dude, do you have any proposals, or just critics? Who could have done better than Putin? Primakov? Luzhkov? Gaidar? Yeltsin? Chernomyrdin?

                    What if you take foreign politicians: had they make a paradrop of A.Merkel over Russia in 1999, do you beleive she could do better for the country? Bush? :) Chirac? Yuschenko?

                    • just about anyone could have done just as bad as or better than Putin because essentially all Putin’s done has been tighten the screws and re-privatize the most lucrative assets

                  • Just about anyone could? Perhaps you remember what the alternatives were? Nemtsov? Lukashenko? Gaidar? Chernomyrdin? Lebed? Would you prefer any of them instead? Explain it to me, how could anyone of them do better?

                    You understand (fortunately you’re not a moron at all) that I’m no fan of Putin. But tell me, really, I know abt oil prices and all the other, but nevertheless – were 90ies a better time to live for common people in Russia than the 2000s?

                • Actually Dimitry, the privatisations of the early 90’s were a desperate attempt to prop up the Russian economy after decades of misrule and false economics.

                  Do you remember the queues for food, the failure of the economy during the late 70’s and 80’s?

                  Try looking at these pics from the 80’s

                  http://www.realussr.com/ussr/queues/

                  • Andrew, with all your unprovoked calling names and changing my name, just get away. I am not going to waste my talking to you, when there are billions of smarter people around.

                • Try reading this article from 1988 Dimitry:

                  http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19881112&id=Sm8aAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1SoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4516,3719304

                  The reality is that the Soviet economy was completely screwed.

                  • Just how stupid one should be to propose me to read something in English abt the 80ies in the USSR?…

                    I was born in that country, and lived there all the 80ies, and the 90ies too, and I live now.

                    If I’d ever want to have a reminder, I’d take a newspaper in Russian.

                    As to the 80ies, which you beleive was a very frightening time:

                    My larger family got two flats from the state in the 80ies. Price was like 3 000 roubles for both, and that was expensive. That was like 4000 dollars or so, using the official forex course.

                    Now both flats’ price is well about 300 000 USD. It’s like we got property for 1-1,5% of it’s real price.

                    There were no bribes, and no corruption at all. Soviet Union just gave flats to all it’s citizens. And Russia now also does. There were no homeless, at all.

                    Now imagine how long would it take you to repay a USD 300 000 loan in a bank. Would it be less than, say, 20 years?

                    My family spent 2,5 years (waiting in a queue) and USD 4 000 to get those two flats. Again, if we’d only wanted to, we could have them sold easily now for USD 300 000.

  5. While Russia’s fertility rate does indeed rank above the likes of South Korea and Latvia, you have to remember that it simply means that the demographic situation is even more dire in these countries, and that most of these countries have a far lower death rate.

    Russia is #177 out of 195 countries by fertility rate. This is not an achievement.

    Russia’s fertility rate is 1.36 and the replacement fertility rate is 2.1, you don’t have to be a genius to figure out that we’re far from solving that problem.

    • Don’t go static. Moving pictures are always more fun.

      Well, if we would have met in 20 years from now, what place in this list would Russia take, given that Putin years’ dynamics would continue? And would there be a place for Russia given that the Yeltsing years’ dynamic could have continued?

  6. About 2 million children aged up to 14 are beaten by their parents, many to death. 50,000 children run away from home every year to escape domestic violence. 7,000 become victims of sexual crimes. Furthermore, over 2 million children are officially registered as orphans. In St. Petersburg 3,000 more orphans join their fellows every year.

    The number of sex crimes against minors has gone up 25-fold. 129 such crimes were registered in 2003, over 3,000 in 2007. In 2007, 2,500 minors were killed and acts of violence committed against a further 70,500. The Russian Prosecutor’s Office stated than 161,00 crimes were committed against children in 2007 and that 2,500 children died as a result.

  7. 26,000 children fail to reach the age of 10 every year in Russia. 50 babies die at birth every day, 70% of them in maternity hospitals.

  8. Russia is getting older: the average age of the population is 37.7 years. The number of children under 16 has dropped sharply. The average Russian family consists of 2-3 people. It’s no use hoping for any sort of population growth given 8 million abortions a year even if there is a birth rate of sorts – all of 0.3% (402,000). However, in the whole of Russia excepting Daghestan and Ingushetia, the birth rate is lower than the natural replacement rate.

    The country loses 1 million potential mothers every five years as they cease to be of birth-bearing age. There are twice as many abortions as births. According to the World Health organisation, we have 8 times as many abortions as the USA, 10 times as many as France and England, 20 times as many as the Netherlands. Badly performed abortions leave 20% of patients no longer being able to give birth. The average Russian woman has 2.1 abortions. 170,000 first-time pregnancies are terminated every year. 64.2% of all pregnancies are terminated by abortions. In Europe any figure above 25% is considered a catastrophe. One in five abortions are performed on minors. The number of Russian women unable to bear a child grows by 200-250,000 per year.

    In Russia 30% of children are born out of wedlock. Ten years ago it was 14.6%. An interesting detail: in Russia there are 65,000 more married women than there are married men.

    If UN-recorded growth and reduction rates continue the present trend, Yemen’s population will be larger than Russia’s by the middle of the 21st century.

    On the other hand, if Russia continues its current raw-materials-based road to development, it will simply not need a population of than 50-60 million.

    However, Russia’s persistently falling population is not just the result of “natural wastage”, as officials so delicately put it.

    According to the Social Security Agency, the young also commit suicide a lot – 53 per 100,000.

    Over 70% of teenagers in our country suffer from chronic illnesses. According to the Ministry of Health, 16% of Russian schoolchildren have tried drugs at least once, another 8% constitute a high risk group, and 3.1% of schoolchildren are actually addicted. 178 schoolchildren died of drug overdoses last year. As for higher education, 30% of students have used narcotics, 20% constitute a high-risk group, and 4.8% are drug addicts.

    Russia is world #1 for number children and teenagers who smoke tobacco. According to the World Health Organisation, 33% of children and teenagers in Russia are regular smokers and many already suffer from smoking-related chronic illnesses by the age of eighteen.

    The Unified State Exam (on finishing school) was passed with full marks of 100 by 496 pupils (0.05% of the 830,415 schoolchildren who took it). 2,000,000 Russian teenagers do not know how to read.

    • Oh, Les, it looks like it would take a lot of time looking at statistics on every one of your points. Most of the information you provide looks credible, and that is terrible. However, you do not provide no dynamics, no development.

      You just say, Russia is in a very bad state now. I am more interested in the way the situation develops. Is it going worse year after year? Or is it going better with time?

  9. Voice of Reason

    Dmitry,

    LES is the son of Ukrainian emigrants. He is just jealous of Russia, because the birth rate in Russia much higher than in his beloved Ukraine:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate

    Russia — 1.34
    Ukraine — 1.22

    • The problem is that Ukraine lost even larger share of population than Russia, and, unlike Russia keeps on losing it now.

      I’d say LES should somehow help his historycal homeland, don’t know, make some cute girl there pregnant or something:D

      • 35 million people have left Russia in the last 35 years (Ministry of Foreign Affairs data). In that time, 3 million have immigrated legally, mostly from the republics of the former USSR.
        Every year, in accordance with programmes for the acceptance of migrants and refugees from Russia
        56,000 people leave for the USA
        13,000 people, despite everything, choose Israel
        12,000 people go to meet the Australian quota
        9,000 smartly choose Germany
        7,800 prefer Canada
        6,900 marry foreigners and for some reason also leave the country.

        Total 103,300 people per year, And of course they are of the most educated, businesslike, and energetic. Bear in mind that these are the official figures of those who registered officially for permanent resident abroad status.

        Who’s counting those who leave on tourist, student, and work visas and never come back?

        By the way, only 11,700,000 of Russia’s citizens have passports for foreign travel.

      • Voice of Reason

        Dmitry wrote: “I’d say LES should somehow help his historycal homeland, don’t know, make some cute girl there pregnant or something:D”

        LES is taken. He claims that he is married and that he and his “young wife” go swimming at the YMCA at 1 am in New Jersey.

      • russians kills more russian babies in one year than the amount of people that that left Ukraine since 1991.

        But let’s go back to the question of population. Russia has given up on demographic matters. Not that it’s possible to do a detailed analysis of the demographic situation and get at the reasons for the low birth rate: since 1997 to date, data has not been gathered in any meaningful way. The birth rate has gone down in 79 Russian regions and the death rate has gone up in 60. There are 8 million abortions a year in Russia, 1.5% of them late-stage ones. 90,000! – A whole townfull of children killed for money.

        I guess that russian women would rather become sterile rather than give birth to a child in russia?

    • I will be jealous of russia when hell freezes over.

      5 people die every minute in Russia, 3 are born. The death rate is 1.8 times that of the birth rate and in some regions 2-3 times.
      Every year Russia loses the equivalent of the population of the Pskov district (or of the Karelian Republic or a large town like Krasnodar). Over the last 10 years, the population of the Far East has gone down 40% and of the Far North by 60%. In Siberia, 11,000 villages and 290 towns have disappeared. Deaths from cardiovascular diseases carry off in excess of 1,400,000 a year. Smoking kills 270,000 a year. Nearly 70% of men and over 30% of women smoke. 26,000 children fail to reach the age of 10 every year in Russia. 50 babies die at birth every day, 70% of them in maternity hospitals.

      Russia is the world’s #1 for premeditated murders – 21.5 per 100,000 people. Nearly 75% of premeditated murders, about 80% of acts of hooliganism, and up to 75% of rapes take place between 6pm and midnight. In 2005, the police registered 30,800 murders and attempted murders; 18,000 people died in this way. 14,000 left this world thanks to criminal driving offences, 15,000 died in fires, 20,000 disappeared without trace, and more than 40,000 unidentified bodies were found. Total: 137,800. In 2006, the police recorded 140,000 criminal deaths. You can add 58,000 suicides to this.

      • Buddy, get real. Stop using sources from 1999.

        • @Buddy, get real. Stop using sources from 1999.

          Dima, just yesterday you showed me a source from 1999. About Dagestan. Which you wanted me believe was about Dudayev in Chechnya.

          Or something. I’m not quite sure what you really tried there. Oh wait, I think I already know. You just tried 3 random first search links for “Chechnya” and “Jews”, just like in the random Google search links below.

          Good job.

          Also Dudayev about the Jews and Israel in his own words:

          “First, the Baltic countries and we have much in common with Israel. The analysis shows that the Israeli polity, deportation and repatriation in the face of difficulties are comparable to our destiny. Why Israel? It is so, because both Jews and the Baltic nations have had to survive deportation. Latvian, Lithuanian and Estonian people, especially the latter, were the best part of those nations deported by Stalin’s regime. We know the hard road that has to be taken in order to return one´s homeland, to restore its statehood and the right to life worthy of a man. We are aware of the tribulations and hell on earth a person and nation must go through, including persecution, oppression, destruction and humiliation. We know the amount of jeering and violence they must suffer. (…) [The world’s great powers] are to blame, because they failed to protect individual legal rights. No need to talk about Chechnya. Remember poor Jews that were derided in the former Soviet Union. But they have strengthened their character and do not let themselves be molested any more.”

          • @Dima, just yesterday you showed me a source from 1999. About Dagestan.

            I couldn’t send you a source on invasion to Dahghestan in 2009. And that’s to the better.

            @Or something. I’m not quite sure what you really tried there. Oh wait, I think I already know. You just tried 3 random first search links for “Chechnya” and “Jews”, just like in the random Google search links below.

            Actually, yes.

            I just don’t waste my time on this.

            I told you: Chechens love Jews, you won.

  10. 1945 Soviet Concentration camp for kids. Polish skeleton-like children from Buzuluk camp. They are really Polish children. Buzuluk is in one of the Soviet Asian republics (Kazakhstan?). In Buzuluk were kept many children of Poles murdered or imprisoned by Soviets. Some of them were saved by Indian Maharaja of Gu-Jarat who declared them their own children and organised their transportation to India. About 1000 of children were saved that way.

    http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/

    • Voice of Reason

      And Putin did all that?! Or was it Yanokovych or Yuschenko who did it?

      • Voice of Unreason, stop spewing your trash imbecile RTR, and keep to the crux of the matter, which is “Russia Brutalizes Its Children” . If you can not say anything intelligent, a point at which you are superb, just leave the matter to those that can reason and add value to this Blog.

        I know that you are great at digressing, in trying to take the heat off the subject matter. So tell us what has Ukraine’s Yushchenko or Yanukovych got to do with the subject matter of this Blog?

        You may as well tell us about the price of eggs in Sino Communist China. You irrelevant simpleton baboon!

        • Bohdan, you need to visit psychiatrist, or at least psychoanalyst. It looks like you are in need of an urgent professional help.

          Soviet concentration camps had nothing in common with the article. I would understand why you could make your comment “stop spewing your trash imbecile ” to LES, but to VoR, when he only asked a question?

          Go see medic.

          • Dimwit Dmitry, come of the grass moron, it is you that needs the head shrink help, not me. I ignore your ruSSian propaganda as it has no bearing to reality, unless of course you request a reply from me, like as of now. So here goes!

            Although, you should read and reread your disinformation before you hit the ‘Submit’ button, I believe that this step will have no effect whatsoever on you as you are past the psychiatric help stage. Sadly you need extremely urgent professional help in getting a new brain transplant for that pea brain of yours.

            I make my observation on your usual comments and the above totally irresponsible comment of “Soviet concentration camps had nothing in common with the article.” So just tell me where in the hell did I make that comment? oops sorry, its those irritating voices inside your head. It’s OK, I now understand.

            Another thing, don’t you just worry about what I said to your brain dead buddy VoR (alias RTR) I meant what I said. But to compare the likes of LES to VoR? now that is an unearned gross insult to the intelligence of LES.

            PS don’t you go and see a psychiatrist, as he will most certainly have to issue a mandatory detaining order against you. In the meantime do continue to take your prescribed medication, as stopping to do so is very bad for you.

            Bah, another wasted space!

        • Voice of Reason

          Bohdan, do you seriously believe that the story how Comrade Stalin created a concentration camp for Polish kids in 1945, 65 years ago, proves that modern Russia “Brutalizes Its Children”? Very interesting.

  11. LES: you say that in Russia there are 65,000 more married women than there are married men. I don’t understand how this can be. Who are these 65,000 “excessive” women married to? I only see two possible explanations:

    1. Lesbians married to each other

    2. Polygamy (i.e., one husband per several wives)

    Neither of these seems plausible. What do you think this means?

    • actually polygamy is plausible, far as I know it’s legal in some of the ethnic republics that are part of the Russian Federation
      and there’s a third possibility, those women could be widows

      • Two things: widows are not married, at least if you take official status, status differs.

        Polygamy is banned and persecuted everywhere in Russia, as in any Western country. No official in Russia would register such a marriage.

        So they are just, like from nowhere.

        Polygamy may have been plausible during 1996-1999 in Chechnya, when they had “independence” from any Russian laws, and were living up to Sharia – beheadings, four wives, stoning, slavery. I can give links to any of these.

        But Muslim women in Russia, since the communism, never really accepted polygamy themselves. It’s quite a shameful state for any woman, since they have been infused with Soviet secular culture, you know.

        • Don’t know I saw a TV show some time back where they mentioned this really old dude from someplace like Dagestan or somewhere down there who had three wives, I don’t know if he was officially registered as the husband of all three of them though.

          • Well he could have had 33 of them women and even find some kind of weird imam who would grant them marriage. But we both know that imams and priests are not making you legally married in Russia. So whatever this man told the reporter, he is married to the one woman, and all others are just co-habiting with them.

            • Actually it is quite common in Russia for people to marry in Church, but not in a “wedding palace” or registry office.

              In addition, polygamy is currently legal (and encouraged) in Chechnya, by none other than R Kadyrov.

              Russia’s Chechen leader Kadyrov backs polygamy

              (Reuters) – Kremlin-backed Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov called Tuesday for local men to take second wives in line with Muslim tradition and ignore Russian laws in a sign of his increasing independence from Moscow.

              http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5361DO20090407

              • Sorry, that should be “de facto legal” in Chechnya, in defiance of Russian laws.

              • And he added polygamy would be like prostitution – illegal, but practiced. You have not mentioned that, of course.

                But is that what you see as something outstanding? You’re wrong. The reason is here sharia law is finished, in Britain sharia develops: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1154789/Polygamy-UK-This-special-Mail-investigation-reveals-thousands-men-milking-benefits-support-wives.html

                For “polygamy UK” google returns ten times more links than for “polygamy Chechnya”. As if polygamy was quite a popular theme of discussion abt the UK.

                • Actually Dimitry, he is introducing a large number of Islamic based laws (commonly referred to as sharia):

                  Kadyrov has ushered in a series of Islamic-inspired rules since he helped to restore control from pro-independence rebels, such as requiring women working in government offices to wear headscarves and imposing periodic bans on alcohol.

                  And as for what he said about polygamy:

                  “I am convinced: today we need polygamy,” Kadyrov said in an interview with state newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta Tuesday.

                  “There is no such law, but I say to everyone: those who have the desire and the means should take a second wife.”

                  Well, that does not sound like equating it with prostitution to me.

                  What he actually said in that regard was:

                  “In Chechnya there are more women than men, but they all need to be set up in life,” he said.

                  He said polygamy could survive in Chechnya outside the law in the same way that widespread prostitution exists in Moscow despite a legal ban.

                  http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5361DO20090407

                  Obviously you are a bit dim Dima, your reading comprehension is around that of a 7 year old.

                  Try again.

              • Voice of Reason

                Andrew,

                Why do you consider yourself a judge of other religions? Yes, many Muslims and Mormons believe in polygamy. Yes, polygamy is legal in Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim countries. Yes, de facto polygamies exist in Utah, Colorado and Chechnya. So what? Are you saying that this makes you somehow superior to Mormons or Muslims?

                And what’s your purpose? Are you demanding that the Russian and US governments crack down on Muslims and Mormons and arrest the “de facto polygamists”? Why do you care? Why do you hate Mormons and Muslims so much? They are not stealing wives from you, are they? So why do you care how many de facto wives they have? Envy?

                • No RTR, I was simply pointing out that Dima is a bit dim when he claims that Polygamy may have been plausible during 1996-1999 in Chechnya, when they had “independence” from any Russian laws, and were living up to Sharia and implies that it is not plausible now under “enlightened” Russian rule (LOL) due to the “benefits” of being infused with soviet secular culture

                  I make no judgement about polygamy in my post, and your demagoguery is quite laughable.

                  I see you are back to your old tricks, have you gotten bored of our ceasefire?

                  • It was not “plausible”. It was legal. Since 1998 they implemented Sharia system of justice.

                    Since Chechnya was freed of Islamist rule, polygamy became back only “plausible” to Chechens. But it is illegal, as in every other Russian region.

                    My point is that simple. And to prove it’s right I do not need calling opponents idiots.

                    • @But it is illegal

                      Really? And what exactly happens when the police in the “post-Islamist” Chechnya (now in the Russian uniforms and on the Russian pay “since Chechnya was freed of Islamist rule”) knows about someone engeged in such “illegal” thing?

                      Do they proceed to beat torment and humilitate them in public (like the women accused of adultery), do they torture them in their “sports centers” using electric charges and and blowtorches, do they kidnap and kill them and dump their bodies in a car trunk or on a roadside, or do they just behaead them, and often also film their cell phones and then share the videos openly with everybody?

                      Or maybe they do nothing all, and it’s perfectly normal and totally accepted, unlike women being in public without headscarves, or drinking and gambling? Can you tell me about anyone murdered, tortured, beaten, or even legally prosecuted (I know, I know: “legal prosecution in the Chechen Republic of the Russian Federation?” oh come on Dima, it was only a rhetorical question, I’m not naive) for having multiple wives?

                      About Sharia, it had a big huge positive thing to this: It had courts. Enforcing written laws. Not a bunch of thugs in police uniforms doing whatever they want to everyone (yes, they also do this to ethnic Russians, and not even only in Chechnya but operating in Ingushetia and Dagestan too, and I have even seen some cell phones videos of them beating and tormenting the federal troops in Chechnya and once they beat literally an entire Dagestani police station for briefly arresting Kadyrov’s sister), based on the arbitrary directives of just one man (and this man is not Putin, but his adopted enfant terrible).

                      “There’s no law allowing that, but I tell everyone: if you have the desire and the means, take second wives.”

                      This was a direct quote from the Hero of Russia.

                      And maybe some more quotes from said hero last year and more on the subject: (Estemirova, a half-Russian, has been soon kidnapped by policemen in Grozny and found shot dead in Ingushetia)

                      Chechen President Kadyrov Defends Honor Killings

                      GROZNY — The bull-necked president of Chechnya emerged from afternoon prayers at the mosque and with chilling composure explained why seven young women who had been shot in the head deserved to die.

                      Ramzan Kadyrov said the women, whose bodies were found dumped by the roadside, had “loose morals” and were rightfully shot by male relatives in honor killings.

                      “If a woman runs around and if a man runs around with her, both of them are killed,” Kadyrov told journalists in Grozny.

                      The 32-year-old former militia leader is carrying out a campaign to impose Islamic values and strengthen the traditional customs of predominantly Muslim Chechnya in an effort to blunt the appeal of hardline Islamic separatists and shore up his power. In doing so, critics say, he is setting up a dictatorship where Russian laws do not apply.

                      Kadyrov’s bluster shows how confident he is of his position. “No one can tell us not to be Muslims,” he said outside the mosque. “If anyone says I cannot be a Muslim, he is my enemy.”

                      Few dare to challenge Kadyrov’s rule in Chechnya.

                      Kadyrov describes women as the property of their husbands and says their main role is to bear children. He encourages men to take more than one wife, even though polygamy is illegal in Russia. Women and girls are now required to wear headscarves in all schools, universities and government offices.

                      (…)

                      Many people suspect that Kadyrov is branding the seven late November slayings “honor killings” to advance his political agenda. He said the women were planning to go abroad to work as prostitutes, but their relatives found out about it and killed them.

                      Few Chechens believe that.

                      “If women are killed according to tradition then it is done very secretly to prevent too many people from finding out that someone in the family behaved incorrectly,” said Natalya Estemirova, a prominent human rights activist in Grozny.

                      Estemirova said two of the women were married, with two children each. Their husbands held large funerals and buried them in the family plot, which would not have happened if the women had disgraced their families, she said.

                      Kadyrov’s version also has been contradicted by federal prosecutors in Moscow, who have concluded that relatives were not involved. No arrests have been made and the investigation is continuing. Kadyrov’s office refused to comment on the investigators’ conclusion.

                      Novaya Gazeta reported that some of the women worked in brothels frequented by Kadyrov’s men. Many Chechens say they suspect the women were killed in a police operation. The truth of the killings may never be known, given how much Kadyrov is feared.

                      Rights activists fear that Kadyrov’s approval of honor killings may encourage men to carry them out. Honor killings are considered part of Chechen tradition. No records are kept, but human rights activists estimate that dozens of women are killed every year.

                      “What the president says is law,” said Gistam Sakayeva, a Chechen activist who works to defend women’s rights. “Because the president said this, many will try to gain his favor by killing someone, even if there is no reason.”

                      Sakayeva also said she worried that Chechen authorities would now be less willing to prosecute men suspected of killing women.

                    • And btw, you claim polygamy is absolutely illegal “everywhere” in Russia.

                      But did you know cannibalism, of all things, is not outlawed in Russia? (Or at least was not by 2005.)

                      Well, first things first!

                  • If you read Russian, check this: http://www.bekkin.ru/index.php?rub=8&art=28

                    It’s in a Muslim source.

              • Oh really? It’s common to marry in Church instead of a ZAGS?
                Keep on posting your deep insights, you may literally open a new world for us.

        • @Polygamy is banned and persecuted everywhere in Russia, as in any Western country. No official in Russia would register such a marriage.

          Oh, Dima. You need to learn SO MUCH about the Hero of Russia.

          Russia’s Chechen leader Kadyrov backs polygamy
          http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5361DO20090407

          Kadyrov Backs Polygamy, Announces Putin’s Sainthood
          http://www.rferl.org/content/Kadyrov_Backs_Polygamy_Announces_Putins_Sainthood_/1604108.html

          Kadyrov says Chechens should take more than one wife
          http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090407/120956655.html

          • And also Zhirinovsky (deputy Duma speaker):

            “Everyone is greatly concerned about the deepening demographic crisis in our country. President Vladimir Putin also raised this issue in his Children’s Day address last June and called for a radical approach to arrest the crisis. So it was not on a lark that the LDPR proposed legalizing polygamy. We came up with the correct approach to the problem. The Russian Constitution allows us to change the Family Code. But every time amendments are proposed in the Duma, our lawmakers get confused. They don’t know what to do. Polygamy and polyandry are already practised illegally, why not legalize it?”

            And also Ingushetia:

            “When the regional leader of Ingushetia, Ruslan Aushev, signed a decree permitting men in his republic to have four wives [later declared unconstitutional by Moscow], he based that on traditional Islamic beliefs.”

            http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=14235

            Dima, how do you feel I know so much more about Russia than you, allegedly a Russian living in Russia, and so eager to discuss the “real” state of affairs Russia? Or are you just pretending your lack of knowledge, choosing a flat denial instead?

            @Polygamy may have been plausible during 1996-1999 in Chechnya, when they had “independence” from any Russian laws, and were living up to Sharia – beheadings, four wives, stoning, slavery. I can give links to any of these.

            The only “stoning” in Chechnya was when someone smoked a joint. There were no court-orderd beheadings, they carried out the executions using firing squads (some in public, but even Basayev said it was a mistake when they shot a woman from a kidnapping gang this way).

  12. Putin’s been in power now, what, about 10 years? And look at oil/gas prices—and still they blame the 90s???—wow–that’s real sad. And life gets worse—-each day, worse, the corruption, etc——-
    and all they do is blame the 90s—–losers.

  13. There is no greater infamy than the war power on the children using the whole punitive power of the apparatus. Based on the instructions of the Politburo Central Committee, personally Lenin and Stalin, the Bolsheviks created a special system of “disgraced childhood”. This system had before it children’s camps and colonies, mobile reception and distribution centers, special children’s homes and nurseries.

    Children were supposed to forget who they are, where come from, and who their parents were.
    This was a special – Children’s Gulag …

    Alexander Yakovlev
    Architect short spring in Russia.

    For more than fifty years, Soviet children were taught to keep a sharp eye out for enemies of the people, even among their neighbors and family members. A young Komsomol leader, A. Ksoarev, wrote in Pravda,

    “We do not share a common morality with the rest of mankind… For us, morality is that which builds Socialism.”

    Moved by this kind of “morality,” Stalin and his government easily converted millions of living people into corpses. But in the case Pavlik Morozov, a corpse was converted into a living symbol. Through the power of this legend, Stalin raised an army of Morozov imitators, and the myth became an everyday reality of Soviet life.

    • Voice of Reason

      LES,

      You have convinced us: Stalin was evil and insane, the Soviet Union was a bad place, and Communism is bad.

      Can we get to something more contemporary please?

      • Sorry, no, not stalin – the uncivilized pagan barbarians in the kremlin.

      • Thats funny, Russians seem to adore Stalin, in fact the government describes his purges as a natural reaction to threats to the state in the latest history book, there are new museums opening in places like Volgograd, where he assumes the role of the great hero of Russia, an ode to him has been restored to the Moscow metro, new statues spring up to him, particularly in north and south Ossetia (his father was Ossetian by the way), and now Moscow is to be plastered with giant posters of Stalin for the 65th anniversary of the end of WW2 in Europe.

        Seems the Russians love him.

        • Voice of Reason

          Andrew, a year or two ago Saakashvili announced that he was finally taking down that big monument to Stalin in Gori. You even bragged about it.

          Is the Stalin monument still there?

          • I presume so.

            However, at least the Georgians have not built any more since 1953, unlike Russia which builds monuments to Stalin in the Moscow metro in 2009, and opens a museum in his honor in Volgograd in 2006.

            Then there is his winning the title of 3rd greatest Russian of all time, and being lauded in Russian school text books.

            Try again VOR.

            • Police: founder of Stalin museum killed
              April 30 at 14:52 | Associated Press ROSTOV-ON-DON, Russia (AP) — Russian police say a businessman who founded a museum dedicated to Josef Stalin in the city once named after the Soviet dictator has been killed by attackers.

              A duty officer for the Volgograd police says three men attacked Vasily Bukhtienko on a tennis court Friday with electric shock devices and beat him to death.

              Volgograd was formerly called Stalingrad and during World War II it was the scene of one of history’s bloodiest battles. with more than 1 million estimated killed.

              In 2005, Bukhtienko opened a three-room Stalin museum near the soaring monument commemorating the battle.

              Police said a motive for the attack had not been determined.

      • Voice of Reason wrote;

        You have convinced us: Stalin was evil and insane, the Soviet Union was a bad place, and Communism is bad.

        Can we get to something more contemporary please

        comment;
        You have convinced us: Stalin was evil and insane, the Soviet Union was a bad place, and Communism is bad.- THE PRESENT DAY RUSSIA BEATS ALL PREVIOUS STAGES OF THE RUSSIAN BARBARITY- getting more to something more contemporary…..

        • aaa, had Georgia been Vietnam, there would be no Georgia now. Had Chechens been Native Americans, outliving 10 000 of them would be now living in reservations scattered elswhere in Russia.

          Seriously, you’re just in no place, as any other American Patriot, to make any claims about barbarian acts. I mean it.

          • @Had Chechens been Native Americans, outliving 10 000 of them would be now living in reservations scattered elswhere in Russia.

            There are now more Native Americans in the USA than in any time in this territory ever since the initial contact (and here I mean Columbus’ voyage).

            Also the great most of the deaths were from the European diseases. And in the first, most lethal waves of epydemics (contracted from the Spanish conquistadors looking for the Eldorado now to the north), most of them died before they have even seen any white men at all.

            Also in the last 100 years there were only literally a handful fatalities from all conflicts. Most in a single incident of them were 2 (two) at Wounded Knee 1973.

            (That’s instead of hundreds of thousands, like the Chechen fatalities in the same time period.)

            Also the past injusticies are commonly acknowledged (and officially recognised too), and it’s even actually cool for a white guy to have some Indian blood, in most of modern movies the Indians are good guys (often actually to the point of romantic bias, but I don’t really complain), and so on.

            Also they mostly don’t even live in reservations.

            (And certainly are not scattered around the world, like the Chechen diaspora of hundreds of thousands outside of Russia.)

            Also good job Dima. As always.

            • Oh really? There are now more Native Americans that in the 15th century?

              Clap… Clap… You won my heart with this fact.

              1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Native_California_population_graph.jpg

              Got comments, shlemazl?

              2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Early_Localization_Native_Americans_USA.jpg

              Got any more?

              BTW, have one question:

              How did Native American population raised from 377,123 in 1950 to 2,475,950 in 2000? They are, like, sunflowers, those NAs? Have 50 kids each? Or was it Putin meddling with your statistics again?

              • @Clap… Clap… You won my heart with this fact. 1) http://en.wikipedia.org

                Yawn.

                @How did Native American population raised from 377,123 in 1950 to 2,475,950 in 2000? They are, like, sunflowers, those NAs? Have 50 kids each?

                As America ditched racism, it became less shameful and more cool to have Indian ancestry. (In some extreme cases, like this anti-American Marxist lunatic Ward Churchill, if there was even no real Indian ancestry at all.) See, most people nowadays don’t give a crap about the concept of “racial purity”. Which is a good thing. (Remeber, I’m saying this as a Turkish-American Jew-Albanian who is now living in Saudi Arabia. Allegedly.)

                @ He was not only given no assistance in the struggle against foreign diseases,

                “He” was actually given the federal Indian Vacination Act by the US Congress in the early XIXth century once the whitey has invented the vaccination.

                A pretty good article on the subject:
                http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/2007_summer_fall/native-americans-smallpox.html

            • 3) Young shlemazl, does it reminds Nazi Germany or Spanish Jews:

              “The first (factor of the “Indians” dying out) was the food supply… The second factor was disease. …

              A third factor, which strongly intensified the effect of the other two, was the social and physical disruption visited upon the Indian. He was driven from his home by the thousands, starved, beaten, raped, and murdered with impunity. He was not only given no assistance in the struggle against foreign diseases, but was prevented from adopting even the most elementary measures to secure his food, clothing, and shelter. The utter devastation caused by the white man was literally incredible, and not until the population figures are examined does the extent of the havoc become evident.”

              – Cook, 1976b, Population, page 200

              And you say Georgia. Shlemazl.

          • @aaa, had Georgia been Vietnam, there would be no Georgia now.

            Welcome to Dimaworld: No Vietnam.

            (Or did he mean the South Vietnam?)

            • Bobby, you’re a silly boy, there’s never been South or North Vietnam. There was Vietnam, and a short-lived US-sponsored totalitarian puppet-state.

              But I’ll explain my post to you again:

              When Russians left Georgia in 1990 after two years of “Georgian slavery”, Georgia was still there, in one piece, and had millions more population, developed economy and larger territory then when it joined Russia.

              When Americans left Vietnam in 1975 after 15 years of “protecting democracy”, the country was split in two parts, ravaged by the deadliest war, and lost at least 3 000 000 lives, mostly young Vietnamese.

              If you compare these achevements, quite obvious US was an Evil Empire. Simple.

              Had Russia behave in Georgia like US did in Vietnam, there would be no Georgia today. Because Georgia didn’t have those 3 000 000 most of it’s history.

              • I’m trying to understand you here, but just why are you talking about Georgia here and not Afghanistan (the “Soviet Vietnam”) and in what shape it was after 9 years of “protecting people’s democracy”?

                (Before you try and compare casualties of the Afghans from the “socialist revolution” and subsequent civil war until right now, first compare the populations of Vietnam and Afghanistan.)

                RVN was also much less totalitarian than the DPRA. For starters, there were more than just one legal party.

            • I wonder, young shlemazl, would you be silly enough to start talking about South Vietnam that was “an independent democratic state” before consulting Wikipedia?:)

              • @would you be silly enough to start talking about South Vietnam that was “an independent democratic state” before consulting Wikipedia?

                And would you be silly enough to start talking about North Vietnam that was “an independent democratic state” before consulting Wikipedia?

                Also I don’t consult Wikipedia at all (and so stop giving me links to Wikipedia).

  14. Voice of Reason

    RV wrote: “you say that in Russia there are 65,000 more married women than there are married men. I don’t understand how this can be. Who are these 65,000 “excessive” women married to? I only see two possible explanations: 1. Lesbians married to each other, 2. Polygamy. Neither of these seems plausible. What do you think this means

    RV, I know that you consider yourself intellectually superior to me, but has it ever occurred to you that some women in Russia could be married to foreigners or to Russians who are living/working outside of Russia?

    • VoR, I start to think we are really talking to 6graders here, and it’s time to stop.

      • Voice of Reason

        Of course these people, starting with their “fearless leader”, have the mentality of pre-teen children. Hardly a surprise, given that they consider the medical illness “La Xenophobia” to be something to be proud of.

        But why stop? I am enjoying this. Even though their mental ages are between 6 and 9, they are adults and they are hateful and hate-filled people. If you can’t make fun of hateful bigoted adult morons, whom can you make fun of?

        • I’m also excited abt this blog, but it starts to take too much of my time lately. I just can’t resist it… Got to stop:)

        • @“La Xenophobia”

          Fail.

          • Voice of Reason

            I don’t expect you to share my sense of humor, genius.

            • Oh come on RTR, I laughed a lot at what you just wrote there:

              “Do you know what Turks, Kurds, Armenians, Jews, Germans, Americans, Russians and even Tongans have in common? They hate and despise snitches like you.

              You are impotent little bug, Robert, who is so scared that his lies are getting exposed, that he wants to silence your opponents.

              You are running to LR weeping and shouting: “Mommy, mommy, he is expressing his views! Silence him!”

              And you dare complain about the lack of the freedom of speech in modern Russia. The only freedom of speech you want is your own freedom to lie and prevaricate unchallenged.”

              https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/yes-ban-those-russians/#comments

              International humour or not, it doesn’t matter!

  15. @yes, they also do this to ethnic Russians, and not even only in Chechnya but operating in Ingushetia and Dagestan too

    Correcting myself: They’re actually operating worldwide.

    And so after Kadyrov’s deputy (and Russian Dumadeputy) AD was declared wanted by Interpol for the murder of a Hero of Russia in Dubai last year, Austrian police just implicated Ramzan directly and personally in an another act of international terrorism:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/world/europe/28austria.html

    • Oh, and they also killed people in the streets of Moscow. Very central Moscow. Including openly and in broad daylight.

      Dima, how much do you like all this? Please rate in the scale of 1-10.

      With 1 being ona receiving end of a limited Grad attack, and 10 being a small kid kissed on his bare belly by Vova Putin (quite possibly also shirtless).

      • He ordered abduction? I couldn’t care less – sue him.

        It’s your country that abducts presidents of independent states, kills prime ministers of your allies, and not some “whistle blowers”.

        Hint: Obama never abducted any priest. He just ordered to kill priests abroad, Bobby.

        Look it up for yourself again.

        He (Obama) was the first President of the USA to lift G.Ford’s 1974 “ban” on assassinations ordered by US presidents.

        Do you know why G.Ford had to introduce this ban, explicitly prohibiting his successor US presidents to order political assasinations in other states?

        Find it out yourself, dear boy.

        So – you as a nation are much more experienced at abducting and assasinating, and should know better what to do about it, Bobby.

        Again: Bobby, being an American Patriot, you are in no position to lecture anyone, on anything concerning decency.

        PS. You know, after all your “Dima’s” I’m starting to love calling you Bobby, Bobby.

        • @He ordered abduction? I couldn’t care less – sue him.

          And what exactly will happen in Russia once he’s being “sued” by Austria?

          What happened to AD, being “sued” by the Interpol for a murder of a Hero of Russia in Dubai?
          http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2009/68/2009_11968.asp

          What happened to Lugovoi, being “sued” by the British police for his miniature dirty bombing in London? (That is besides being elected to the State Duma and given a high-ranking “security” role.)

          @Hint: Obama never abducted any priest. He just ordered to kill priests abroad, Bobby.

          Don’t mix vodka and drugs, Dima.

          @Again: Bobby, being an American Patriot,

          :D

          • “@Hint: Obama never abducted any priest. He just ordered to kill priests abroad, Bobby.

            Don’t mix vodka and drugs, Dima.”

            Beleive it or not… he actually ordered it. Want to know the names – look for it.

            • Seriously? You mean, he’s hating on them priests so much? Damn Dima, so the Christian wackos were right – Barack Hussein’s actually a Muslim terrorist undercover! (“Beleive it or not”.)

      • Bobby, they – who? Chechens? I definitely dislike it, but much less I dislike Chechens killing 1 former Chechen boyevik in Moscow than Chechens killing 110 innocent people during a terrorist act.

        What about you: how do you like CIA killing people on the streets of Washington? Or NY? Say, 5 thousand of them simultaneously?

        In September 2006 an Ipsos-Reid poll found that 22 percent of Canadians believe “the attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001, had nothing to do with Osama bin Laden and were actually a plot by influential Americans.

        How do you like it? Making a scale from 1) facing an end burning in napalm in Vietnam and 10) making a fellatio to a president in the oral ovul Oval office?

        Oh goodness, you American Patriots are in no position to lecture anyone, why is it so difficult to understand?

        • That was a comment to you post elwhere. Don’t know where, hope you yourself remember that post.

        • Sorry Dima, I just don’t live in your imaginary Dimaland of no Vietnam and “CIA killing people on the streets of Washington? Or NY? Say, 5 thousand of them simultaneously”.

        • @1) facing an end burning in napalm in Vietnam

          Suck so much you later escape to the West while the communists try to make you a propaganda poster girl and world-tour-freakshow at once.

          Also Ut today and his Pultitzer-prize photo of this South Vietnamese friendly fire accident (which the idiots worldwide think was an American aircraft bombing):

          • I’d take it as you choose “1) facing an end burning in napalm in Vietnam” on your self-invented scale of liking 9/11 as an act of your own special services – just to be as far as possible from the Presidental, er, baton in the ovuloffise? :)

            Good boy, it takes some pain to stay Hetero these days in the West – even more pain than staying a patriot:)

            • Homophobic much? Do you think Putin got his little-boy-belly-kissing and posing-shirtless-depilated urges because of his travels to the west, where he got The Gay?

              • @Homophobic much?

                Me I’m a sheer homophobe, shoot them at sight, as well as cyclists, you bet!

                But are you? What if you could avert the war in Iraq by doing better on GWB, than Monica on WJC, what would be your decision?

                Death to thousands of compatriots and countless locals – or a baton?

                Now that’s a choice, young Skydweller?:D

                • Dmitry, you’re just so dense. How to say this… I’m not an American. No, I won’t tell you how many of my compatriots died in Iraq, because then you’d MAYBE actually guess my country and I’m having just too much fun with all of you and your amazing detective skills (and so I won’t tell you even if you guess right, but I’ll just tell you were all completely wrong to date).

                  • I don’t care at all what your country is:) So what about answering my question – which option do you propose: war or ovuloffice?

                  • Voice of Reason

                    Robert, it is no secret why you are ashamed to tell us which country you come from. Because if you tell us, we’ll be able to point out how much more barbaric your country is than Russia. But by refusing to admit your nationality, you make it impossible to compare your hellhole with Russia. It could be Bosnia or Albania or Turkey – but we’ll never know. Very smart.

                    • Okay, okay, you win. It’s Monaco.

                      Just teasing you, of course.

                      For all you’ll ever know I’m from Ward Churchill’s ancient Native American tribe, the White Guys.

                      (rubbing my Foreign Devil hands together)

  16. @During the Putin’s bloody regime, life expectancy was steadili growing, and now it’s 63 and 75 years – almost back to the USSR times.

    And right in between Germany and Burkina Faso. GREAT SUCCESS!

    @1950, 61
    @2007 62

    clap…clap…

    • Bobby, you have a talent of admitting your mistakes.

      You should run for presidency, could become a second Bush. Oops, I mean, third Bush.

      • What “my mistakes”, dear Dima?

        Also you still didn’t rate the policies of the Hero of Russia. In the scale 1-10, just like I said. Simple enough I guess.

        • I tell what mistake, and you admit it?

          • You tell “what mistake”, and we’ll see!

            • You are laughable. Noone is going do anything just for you to “see”, young shlemazl.

              • Oy vey!

              • Voice of Reason

                Speaking of oy, vey. Here is Russian-Jewish answer to George Foreman:

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Foreman

                Yuri Foreman (born August 5, 1980) is an Israeli Light middleweight boxer. He is the current World Boxing Association super welterweight champion. Foreman was born in Gomel, Belarus. He started boxing at age 7 in Belarus, which at that time was part of the Soviet Union. Foreman, who wears a Star of David on his boxing trunks, is an aspiring rabbi.

          • Voice of Reason

            http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/izenbergcol/index.ssf/2009/09/izenberg_like_the_talmud_the_b.html

            “We went to Haifa City Hall and begged for a little place … any place … for a Russian Jew to hang a bag and put up a ring. They told us ‘go box with the Arabs.'”

            “It’s hard to be an immigrant,” he will tell you. “In Russia, I was a Jew. In Israel, I was a Russian.

            http://jewliciousfestival.com/2010/02/the-la-times-feat-yuri-foreman-jewlicious-festivals/

            “You are a Russian Jew and they know that. They were trying to hurt you,” Foreman says of the fighters training there.
            http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=19564

            “Perhaps I can have my own congregation and bring Russian Jews closer to Judaism,” said Foreman.

            “I wrote: “”Here is Russian-Jewish answer to George Foreman: (…) born in Gomel, Belarus… the Soviet Union”

            Robert wrote: “Good job RTR.

            Robert replied: “Union of Russia and Belarus… Nwever heard of this union? Seriously?

            Andrew wrote: “Just RTR being a card carrying Russian imperialist again

            How is that, Andrew? Do you have a reason to say so, or are you being the usual retard here?

            • @Robert replied: “Union of Russia and Belarus… Nwever heard of this union? Seriously? ”

              The “Union State” was created many years after the guy left Belarus. (He left in 1989.)

              What he means by “Russia” is the “Soviet Russia” – in the Soviet Union meaning (not the Russian Soviet republic). And the “Russian” Jews of Israel are really the former Soviet Jews. It’s sort of calling all Soviet soldiers in WWII “Russians”, etc.

              The word “Russia” (or “Russian”) is not featured even once in the Wikipedia article you linked.

              But it is in categories: “Belarusian Jews | Israelis of Belarusian descent | Belarusian boxers”.

              You are a complete idiot and your schizophrenia is getting worse by day.

              • Voice of Reason

                So, you are forbidding Yuri Foreman, a Soviet Jew who left Soviet Union in 1989, to refer to the Soviet Union as “Russia” and to consider himself “a Russian Jew”, Robert? You are a true moron.

                • He can refer to it also as “Neverland” and consider himself as a “Space Jew” for all I care.

                  You started with the link of the article not mentioning any kind of “Russia” even once, but instead is repeatedly identfying him as Belarusian Jew from Belarus (where he spent his early childhood only anyway).

                  It’s like I wrote about Lukashenko, and you pissed your pants and started screaming about how I wrote something about Putin. In your schizophrenic mind.

                  • Voice of Reason

                    I called him a “Russian Jew” because he is a Russian Jew, he is a well-known part of the Russian-Jewish community in New York, and he directly calls himself a Russian Jew.

                    Moreover, when he left USSR in 1989, there was no such country as “Belarus”. His native country is USSR, not Belarus.

                    So, what was your problem with me calling him a “Russian Jew”? Should I have called him a “Soviet Jew”? FYI, here in USA, nobody uses the term “Soviet Jews” any longer. All “Soviet Jews” whose native language is Russian, are referred to and refer to themselves as “Russian Jews”, be they from Moscow, Kiev, Gomel or Odessa.

                    So, what exactly in my original post did you find to be incorrect or stupid?

                    • @I called him a “Russian Jew” because he is a Russian Jew, he is a well-known part of the Russian-Jewish community in New York, and he directly calls himself a Russian Jew. … So, what exactly in my original post did you find to be incorrect or stupid?

                      And you linked us to the article calling him “Belarusian Jew”, “Belarusian boxer” , “Israeli of Belarusian descent “, etc., and even quoted this article, because you are a complete idiot.

                      @Moreover, when he left USSR in 1989, there was no such country as “Belarus”.

                      Moreover, when he left USSR in 1989, there was no such country as “Russia”.

                      @So, what was your problem with me calling him a “Russian Jew”? Should I have called him a “Soviet Jew”? FYI, here in USA, nobody uses the term “Soviet Jews” any longer. All “Soviet Jews” whose native language is Russian, are referred to and refer to themselves as “Russian Jews”, be they from Moscow, Kiev, Gomel or Odessa.

                      And the Soviet soldiers are commonly “Russians” too (and the Germans called them all “Russians”, and the Russians of today steal their all sacrafices and often classify all the Soviet casualties as the “Russia’s losses” too). Which doesn’t change millions of them were not Russians at all (not from Russia, not ethnic Russians).

                      Btw, RTR, please remind me now: Was this you who kept insisting this US murderer was “not Russian” criminal, because he was a Jew from the Soviet Ukraine and only belonged to the Russian organized crime group? Or was it rather your Hamas-supporting BFF “Dr Goebbels” (vel Nikita), and you just kept quiet?

                    • Voice of Reason

                      You are a moron, Robert. I gave a short factual quote from Wikipedia concerning Foreman’s basic facts:

                      “Yuri Foreman (born August 5, 1980) is an Israeli Light middleweight boxer. He is the current World Boxing Association super welterweight champion. Foreman was born in Gomel, Belarus. He started boxing at age 7 in Belarus, which at that time was part of the Soviet Union. Foreman, who wears a Star of David on his boxing trunks, is an aspiring rabbi.”

                      Just because I quoted facts from a Wikipedia article, you can’t seriously expect me to agree with every word, which I chose NOT to quote, in that article. If I liked other words, I would have included them. Don’t blame me for what I don’t say, idiot.

                      Moreover, moron, these words – “Belarusian JewS”, “Belarusian boxerS” , “IsraeliS of Belarusian descent “ etc – are NOT parts of that article. They are Wiki tabs and links to other categories on the bottom of the page, retard.

                      Yes, they are not too smart. But just because I quote a sentence or two from some document, you can’t blame me for everything else that happens to appear on the same page, idiot.

                      Moreover, any normal person knows that a Soviet Jew, who was born in Gomel, Belarus and emigrated in 1989, can be called both as a “Russian Jew” and a “Belarusan Jew”, just as a Jew, born in Lwow/Lviv in, say, 1921 can be called both a Ukrainian AND a Polish Jew, because Lviv was part of Poland in 1921.

                      Why did you find it so outrageous that I referred to a Soviet Jew, who emigrated form the Soviet Union in 1989 and whose native tongue is Russian, as “Russian Jew”? Did those little links on the bottom of the Wiki page confuse your underdeveloped brain, retard? Do you believe that if Wikipedia lists categories like Belarusian JewS”, “Belarusian boxerS” , and “IsraeliS of Belarusian descent, on a page, then the person CANNOT be a Russian Jew?

                      Now I understand why you hate Wiki so much – you can’t separate concrete facts from fiction and from links to other pages, cretin.

                    • Voice of Reason

                      You just can’t understand the concept of multi-valued mapping, can you, Robert?

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multivalued_function

                      If you see somebody called “Belarusan Jew”, you think he cannot also be an “Ashkenazi Jew” and a “Russian Jew’ and a “Soviet Jew”, can you?

                      Well, Foreman is all of those, plus you may even call him an Israeli Jew and an American Jew as well. He has moved around. Are you confused?

                      How can you live with such mathematical retardation, Robert? No wonder you think that 2 work weeks equal to 400 hours, which is more than 28 hours per day.

                  • Oops, looks like Voice of Retardation got caught lying again…..

                    • Voice of Reason

                      Where did I lie, moron?

                    • I love he’s foaming now about the “facts and fiction” website he linked himself (without reading?).

                      @Do you believe that if Wikipedia lists categories like Belarusian JewS”, “Belarusian boxerS” , and “IsraeliS of Belarusian descent, on a page, then the person CANNOT be a Russian Jew?

                      S

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Russian_Jews

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Russian_boxers

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israelis_of_Russian_descent

                      He’s not there.

                    • Voice of Reason

                      Robert,

                      Do you seriously believe that if a person is not listed by Wikipedia under the category of “Russian Jews”, he cannot be a Russian Jew? And if a boxer is not listed by Wiki as a “Russian boxer”, he cannot be a Russian Jew?

                      Oh god, you are actually more stupid than I previously thought. In fact, you are the most logically retarded person, I have encountered in a very long time.

                    • Seriously now, RTR: If you’re going to link a website, at least first check if this is not claiming the very opposite to anything you are trying to prove.

                      Anyway, if Mr RBR (Russian Boxing Rabbi) is serious about being an imaginary “Russian” for real, and is wearing a red star on his T-shirt in a non-ironic way, maybe he should one day try out with this MMA guy so the ancient Russian-Chechen conflict would be decided once and for all in a relatively bloodless way :)

                    • Voice of Reason

                      Let me repeat, moron: the terms “Russian Jew”, “Soviet Jew” and “Belorussian Jew” are not mutually contradictory. Moreover, Foreman is also an Israeli Jew, an Ashkenazi Jew, and now a New York Jew, a Brooklyn Jew, and an American Jew.

                      And your giving the video of this Chechen guy Mamed Khalidov – that’s a beautiful attempt at changing the subject out of embarrassment. Nice try.

                    • 1. RTR posts a single link directly contradicting his claim.

                      2. Instead of saying “oh, shoot” and ignoring being caught on “good job, again”, RTR foams from his mouth a whole lot, then writes about “a beautiful attempt at changing the subject out of embarrassment”.

                      Dude. Why won’t you just simply shut up, “out of embarrassment”? Are you always like this, also in real life? Even if this is an attempt at trolling, it’s just weak. And why won’t you instead just go and edit the “fiction” on Wikipedia to “the facts”? Don’t you know anyone can do it? (That’s also why it’s so often a very sh!tty source of information.)

                      So, let’s both go to the Wikipedia! You’ll start editing, and I’ll be reverting you. Ready? Okay, just kidding. …or am I? (cue ominous music)

                    • RTR, you said he was a “Russian Jew”

                      You were lying.

                      As Robert has repeatedly shown.

                      You are an amoral, lying, hypocritical, capo like piece of rubbish.

                      Well done on showing us your inferior skills by the way.

                  • Voice of Reason

                    1. RTR posts a single link directly contradicting his claim.

                    What you are too stupid to understand is that that Wiki link does not contradict the fact that Foreman is and calls himself a “Russian Jew”.

                    Let me repeat: There is no contradiction. Foreman can be viewed and called both a BeloRussian Jew and a Russian Jew, as well as an Ashkenzai Jew, Soviet Jew, Russian-speaking Jew, Israeli Jew, Russian-Israeli Jew, Israeli-American Jew, Russian-American Jew, American Jew, and New York Jew.

                    One can be more than one of those. Certainly, Irvin Berlin was.

                    • Show us where he calls himself a “Russian Jew”

                      So far you have provided no evidence.

                      Face it RTR, everything you say without evidence is a lie.

                      And due to your selective editing, most of what you say with supporting evidence turns out to be a lie too, once the items you link to are read in entirety.

                    • “To get in a ring and spar, Foreman and his training partners had to drive to a distant Arab neighborhood gym where they knew they weren’t welcome… “You are a Russian Jew and they know that. They were trying to hurt you,”“But “after the workouts we’d shake hands. And then slowly we had friends.”

                      LA Times.

                      http://www.jewlicious.com/2010/02/boxing-champ-and-future-rabbi-yuri-foreman-featured-in-la-times/

                      I know that quote was in one of your earlier posts, Voice of Reason. But it loosk like idiots that argue with you never have enough brain to even read what their opponent says before they make stupid claims.

  17. You’re a such a kosher pork, bobby:D

  18. Voice of Reason

    Just to confuse your little brain even more, here are a couple of more famous boxers, this time born in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, rather than Belorus:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_Klitschko

    Vitali Klitschko, born 19 July 1971 in Belovodsk, Kirghiz SSR, Soviet Union (now Kyrgyzstan)) is a Ukrainian professional heavyweight boxer

    Wladimir Klitschko; born 25 March 1976 in Semipalatinsk, Kazakhstan is a Ukrainian heavyweight boxer. He was born in Semipalatinsk, Kazakh SSR (now Kazakhstan). Though a major celebrity in his former adopted home of Germany, he moved with his older brother Vitali to Beverly Hills in 2004.
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  19. Voice of Reason

    And here is a man who will drive your little impotent mind totally crazy, Robert:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Berlin

    Irving Berlin (May 11, 1888 – September 22, 1989) was an American composer and lyricist widely considered one of the greatest songwriters in history.

    Life in Russia

    Irving Berlin was born Israel Baline on May 11, 1888, one of eight children of Moses and Lena Lipkin Baline. rving Berlin was born Israel Baline on May 11, 1888, one of eight children of Moses and Lena Lipkin Baline. His birthplace is Tyumen[1], in Eastern Russia. His father, a cantor in a Jewish synagogue, uprooted the family to America, as did many other Jewish families in late 19th century. In 1893 they settled in New York City.

    Categories: American songwriters | Belarusian-American Jews | Imperial Russian immigrants to the United States | People from Mogilev | Russian-American Jews |

    ————————

    So, Wikipedia lists him both among “Belarusian-American Jews” from “Mogilev” and “Russian-American Jews”, even though he was born (and lived until emigration to USA) in Tyumen, Russia near the Ural Mountains, thousands of miles away from Belarus and from Mogilev.

    To confuse matter further for you, the Russian-language version of Wiki claims that Berlin was born in Tolochin, Belorussia, but quotes his biography book called: “The Jew from Tyumen – the Pride of America”.

    So, if I gave a link to Berlin and called him a “Jew from Russia”, would you also made fun of me, because Wiki also lists him as a “Belarusan Jew”?

    • RTR, you will just never learn.

      I keep telling you for long time how Wikipedia sucks, and how you should stop posting links to Wikipedia.

      You disregarded this, and posted a link in which you handed your ass to yourself. Then raged about it.

      And you still didn’t learn a thing.

      • Voice of Reason

        Robert, of course Wikipedia cannot be trusted for anything subjective. However, it

        a. Provides references and links that can be good starting points for my research.

        b. It is quite reliable for simple and noncontroversial facts. Thus, the Wikipedia article about Foreman can be trusted as far as his birth place and date go, his profession, his moving to Israel, his boxing title, date of the next fight, his studying to be a rabbi, etc.

        But what you cannot trust Wiki with are judgment calls, like his nationality, personality, popularity, political views, relations with parents and children, the type of fans that like him, etc.

        So, to tell you where and when Foreman was born, when he emigrated, when he won the title, and what he is studying to be, I looked up Wiki. Now, when you look up something, you just tell us what you want us to know, without giving the source. I can’t be like that. If I quote somebody, I need to give attribution, or else I’ll feel like I am plagiarizes.

        And because I gave you the link to the source to my information, you went there and read that page from top to very bottom.

        And while this is not too smart, it’s OK. And you found those categories like “Belorussian Jews”on that page, and your brain told you: “If Wikipedia says he is a Belarusan Jew, he cannot be a Russian Jew!”

        Well, it can be both and easily: Wiki can classify him as a “Belorussian Jew” and he can be and call himself a Russian Jew.

        Your problem is that on the one hand, you mistrust simple straightforward facts provided by Wiki, which are usually correct, and point-of-view categorizations, judgments and labels, which must be either ignored or at least triple-checked.

        In other words, yes, Wikipedia can be a very valuable tool, but your mathematical/logical abilities are not developed enough for this task.

        • @b. It is quite reliable for simple and noncontroversial facts. Thus, the Wikipedia article about Foreman can be trusted as far as his birth place and date go, his profession, his moving to Israel, his boxing title, date of the next fight, his studying to be a rabbi, etc.

          And him never living in Russia (or the Russian republic) and never holding a Russian citizienship and never having nothing at all to do with Russia ever.

      • Oh, and the bottom line is the guy’s still not “Russian” at all.

        The article, which you youself linked and quoted, says he was not born or ever lived in Russia (or the Russian Soviet Republic), never fought for Russia, never had a Russian citizienship.

        If what you say it’s true, he’s just a Russophile. Literally, and nothing more. But I’d know even he’s not actually a “Russian-Jewish” if not your quote and your link.

        So, good job RTR (Raging Russian Retard).

        And if you now post a Wikipedia link for an anwer, I swear I’ll punch you right through the Internet.

        • RTR (Raging Russian Retard):

          That would make RRR.

          You look stupid with all these hastily written dozens of posts nebody reads.

          Looks like it’s here where you’ve first heard of many things you try to explain now.

          You don’t have a slightest idea of what nationality really is and how it is different from ethnicity, and what describes the ethnicity of a man (you sure do beleive it’s your “blood” that makes you German or Scottish).

          People would firgive many things to a shlemazl like you, for you have this distinctive shlemazl charm.

          But whatever you do in life, there’s one habit that would make your life easier: first study the subject, then teach.

          Go to the Wikipedia and read about ethnicity and nationality, read who are “Russian Jews”, study the subject.

          Than you would understand why you should not lecture Voice of Reason on this.

          Please, be a little smmarter. First get a cool head, then get to the keyboard.

          • Because one day, dear Robert, you are going to have a family, and they would need a responsible dad and a husband, not a shlemazl for their home.

          • @That would make RRR.

            I reckon so.

            @You look stupid with all these hastily written dozens of posts nebody reads.

            Are you “nebody”?

            @you sure do beleive

            @Please, be a little smmarter.

            @“Mothers against dyslexia” – it was soooo cruel:)))

        • Voice of Reason

          Robert wrote: “So, good job RTR (Raging Russian Retard).

          So, good job Robert. The word “Russian” indeed starts with a “T”. Your verbal skills are almost as bad as your math and logic skills.

          Why don’t you join the organization called DAM: Mothers Against Dyslexia:

          http://furousen.net/DAMindex.htm

  20. Voice of Reason

    I wrote on May 1, 2010 at 9:53 am:

    http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/izenbergcol/index.ssf/2009/09/izenberg_like_the_talmud_the_b.html

    “We went to Haifa City Hall and begged for a little place, any place for a Russian Jew to hang a bag and put up a ring. They told us ‘go box with the Arabs.’”

    “It’s hard to be an immigrant,” he will tell you. “In Russia, I was a Jew. In Israel, I was a Russian.

    http://jewliciousfestival.com/2010/02/the-la-times-feat-yuri-foreman-jewlicious-festivals/

    “You are a Russian Jew and they know that. They were trying to hurt you,” Foreman says of the fighters training there.

    http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=19564
    “Perhaps I can have my own congregation and bring Russian Jews closer to Judaism,” said Foreman.

    Andrew wrote on May 2, 2010 at 6:22 amShow us where he calls himself a “Russian Jew”. So far you have provided no evidence.

    What else can I say, Andrew? I gave concrete and irrefutable quotes 24 hours ago. I even put these words in boldface. Which part of the phrase Russian Jew do you find difficult to understand? But what can I do if you are dumber than an ironing board? How can I help you if you can’t read?

    Andrew wrote: “You are an amoral, lying, hypocritical, capo like piece of rubbish. Well done on showing us your inferior skills by the way.

    LOL. From now on, whenever we have an argument, I will point to this page to show what a cretin you are, Andrew, and how all your accusations against me are based purely on your mental retardation.

    • @“In Russia, I was a Jew. In Israel, I was a Russian.”

      He thinks 1980s Belarus was Russia. Probably too many blows to the head.

      • Voice of Reason

        No, Robert, it is you who has brain damage. Everybody knows that the terms “Russian Jews” and “Soviet Jews” were used interchangeably, as were the words “Russians” and “Soviets”. Do I need to give you examples?

        • So you admit that Russia was the main beneficiary of Soviet imperialism?

          In addition in that regard saying “Russian” is not a self description of ethnicity.

          • Andrew, you’re screwed, really, it’s time to stop delivering.

          • Voice of Reason

            So, you admit, Andrew, that I did provide quotes from Foreman about him being a ‘Russian Jew” and that, therefore, all your hysterical insults like “You are an amoral, lying, hypocritical, capo like piece of rubbish. Well done on showing us your inferior skills by the way. – they are self-referential.

            BTW, now that we know that you are a “capo”, what is it? At the risk of giving heart-attack to Robert, I googled for “capo” and got this:

            http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=capo

            The most popular answer is (Robert, don’t die of shock!):

            Capo – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
            A capo, or, rarely, capo tasto (from Italian capo, “head” and tasto, “tie or fret”) is a clamp-like device used on the neck of a stringed instrument

            And the second is:

            Cyberfret.com: Using a capo on the guitar

            So, how can we use your head on the guitar, Andrew? Wouldn’t the empty space inside the guitar and inside your head create too much resonance?

        • @No, Robert, it is you who has brain damage.

          “No, John. You are the demons”

          @Everybody knows that the terms “Russian Jews” and “Soviet Jews” were used interchangeably, as were the words “Russians” and “Soviets”. Do I need to give you examples?

          Sigh.

          Yeah, you need, totally. Some “examples”, from this very page:

          Robert // May 1, 2010 at 10:26 am

          (…)

          What he means by “Russia” is the “Soviet Russia” – in the Soviet Union meaning (not the Russian Soviet republic). And the “Russian” Jews of Israel are really the former Soviet Jews. It’s sort of calling all Soviet soldiers in WWII “Russians”, etc.

          (…)

          Robert // May 1, 2010 at 11:44 am

          (…)

          And the Soviet soldiers are commonly “Russians” too (and the Germans called them all “Russians”, and the Russians of today steal their all sacrafices and often classify all the Soviet casualties as the “Russia’s losses” too). Which doesn’t change millions of them were not Russians at all (not from Russia, not ethnic Russians).

          Btw, RTR, please remind me now: Was this you who kept insisting this US murderer was “not Russian” criminal, because he was a Jew from the Soviet Ukraine and only belonged to the Russian organized crime group? Or was it rather your Hamas-supporting BFF “Dr Goebbels” (vel Nikita), and you just kept quiet?

          (The second paragraph applying in advance to your more recent “I bet that if instead of being a champion boxer, Yuri Foreman were a gangster, you yourselves would claim with foam at your mouths that he is a Russian Jew.” Btw, nice stealing from my vocabulary here, too.)

          Geez, it’s just too stupid. Come on Andrew, let’s end this now. We’re wasting our time for a senseless shouting match with a schizophrenic Resident Total Retard who will never ever admit anything, and either just ignore or flatly deny everything. I’m done.

    • Now RTR, what he actually said was “It’s hard to be an immigrant,” he will tell you. “In Russia, I was a Jew (because that’s what they wanted to think of me as). “In Israel, I was a Russian (because I was an outsider). Well, finally, I am what I really am: a Talmud-studying boxer from Brooklyn, just another New Yorker — and I love it.”

      Unfortunately you are very stupid capo boy.

      He was describing others calling him a “Russian Jew”

      He calls himself “a Talmud-studying boxer from Brooklyn, just another New Yorker — and I love it”

  21. Voice of Reason

    BTW, Andrew and Robert, notice that all this hysteria on your part is over whether a Soviet Jew can be called a “Russian Jew”. I bet that if instead of being a champion boxer, Yuri Foreman were a gangster, you yourselves would claim with foam at your mouths that he is a Russian Jew. I bet you would find some article that calls him “Russian” and use it as proof. And you wouldn’t have needed any self-quotes. I bet that if he were a criminal, you would use the fact, that he left USSR before it fell apart, to blame Russia for his actions, just as you blame Russia for Stalin and Beria.

    You are mentally ill. Your russophobia is in the stage of a severe physical illness. You lose control over your bodily functions whenever you hear the word “Russian” in any good context whatsoever, even if it is about such a trivial thing as championship boxing.

    And I anticipated this reaction. I can read you easier than the Nobel-winning Russian professor Pavlov could read his dogs. They salivated every time a bell rang. You two lose your mind every time the word “Russian” is used in a good context. I can yank your leash any time I want. That’s why I posted my little trivial article about this little fistfighter Yuri Foreman, and that’s why I put the term “Russian Jew” in there. And I got an even bigger reaction than I expected.

    Get medical treatment for your clinical russophobia, gentlemen, before it’s too late.

    • No, he would still be a Byelorussian Jew.

      Just as an Australian Jew, is an Australian Jew, and a Georgian Jew is a Georgian Jew.

      • Voice of Reason

        So, Andrew, you think that you know Yuri Foreman’s ethnicity better than he does himself? Do you want to tell to this boxer’s face that he is lying when he calls himself a Russian Jew? And why can’t a Belo-Russian Jew also be a Russian Jew? Didn’t you claim that Stalin was a “Russian”? How can Stalin be a Russian if he is a Georgian? LOL.

        I will use this page as proof of your stupidity, from now on. And as proof how vital it is to your sick psyche to prove that little boxer has no right to call himself “a Russian Jew”. Will you kill and pillage in order to prove that Foreman is lying when he calls himself a Russian Jew, Andrew?

        And, BTW, not only Foreman himself, but the Israeli and Jewish press too call him “Russian” and “Russian-born”:

        Haaretz:

        http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1129305.html
        Yuri Foreman, a Russian-born Israeli rabbi-to-be

        Jewish Daily Forward:

        http://blogs.forward.com/the-arty-semite/127184/
        Foreman, a Russian Jew who grew up in Israel

        Don’t you trust the judgment of Israeli sources like Haaretz, as to who is “Russian” and who isn’t, Andrew?

    • @And I got an even bigger reaction than I expected.

      Yeah. By writing much more about this then us, and not letting it go.

      My whole “bigg reaction” before you went ballistic:

      “@”Here is Russian-Jewish answer to George Foreman: (…) an Israeli Light middleweight boxer (…) born in Gomel, Belarus.”

      Good job RTR.”

      And the bottom line is: Wikipedia sucks and you are and idiot. But it’s hardly first time I’m saying this to you, RRR.

      • You two guys, keep on posting more. I’ll go buy some pop corn.

      • Voice of Reason

        No, Robert, you went on to engage in a long discussion on this topic. Don’t be modest. You even conducted a full-scale research of Wikipedia, as in:

        —————–
        Robert // May 1, 2010 at 12:52 pm

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Russian_Jews

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Russian_boxers

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israelis_of_Russian_descent

        He’s not there.
        —————————–
        You checked! You’ve devoted quite a lot of research to the topic of “ethnicity” of this little Russian-Israeli fistfighter, Robert.

        • Oh, and one more thing, Resident Total Retard:

          When someone’s not in any “Russian” category, he’s simply not in these categories. No need for any “checking” and “quite a lot of research”. You’re so stupid I just lack words now to describe this now. And I just unsubscribed from this thread.

          • Bobby, you’re so Bobby:D

            • Voice of Reason

              Well, like all xenophobes, russophobes are bound to be stupid; Robert, Andrew, Bohdad and Georg/LES make the words like retard, moron, cretin, idiot, etc seem woefully inadequate. When one tries to use a word like “moron” to describe them, one unfairly insults morons.

              • Voice of Reason

                There is a ‘But” missing, as in:

                Well, like all xenophobes, russophobes are bound to be stupid; but Robert, Andrew, Bohdad and Georg/LES make the words…

          • Voice of Reason

            Bobby,

            How could you tell that he isn’t in any “Russian” category without checking there? ESP? LOL.

      • Voice of Reason

        And the bottom line is: Wikipedia sucks

        Just for you, Robert, let me re-write my original post without using the Wikipedia link:

        ———————–

        Speaking of oy, vey. Here is Russian-Jewish answer to George Foreman: Yuri Foreman, born on August 5, 1980 as Yuri Kuzmin, an Israeli light middleweight boxer, now living in Brooklyn, NY. He is the current World Boxing Association super welterweight champion. Foreman was born in Gomel, Soviet Union and emigrated to Israel at the age of 9. Foreman, who wears a Star of David on his boxing trunks, is studying to be a rabbi and wants to teach Judaism to his fellow Russian-American Jews in New York.
        ——————-

        That should make the World a safer place to live in, and should keep Robert from setting Wikipedia on fire, and Andrew from dying in a mental ward.

  22. Voice of Reason

    Robert // February 22, 2009 at 9:11 am
    Actually this charge involved only German halftracks and was very small: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_at_Krojanty

    Robert // February 22, 2009 at 9:27
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaolzie
    The contested territory (801.5 km² with a population of 227,399 people) was originally demanded by Germany

    Robert // February 22, 2009 at 9:44 am http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_citizens_(1939-1946)

    Robert // February 23, 2009 at 4:19 am
    Check out this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mokra

    Robert // April 30, 2010 at 5:04 am
    I don’t consult Wikipedia at all

    Robert // May 2, 2010 at 8:01 am
    And the bottom line is: Wikipedia sucks and you are and idiot.
    —————

    Thanks for admitting that you are an idiot, Robert.

  23. Voice of Reason

    Below second picture: “Check out that reverse view image of Stalin in the window in the background. Yikes! What a country!

    Actually, it is the same image of Stalin that is seen in the foreground of the first picture, only seen from behind. That’s why it’s in “reverse”.

    Yikes! What a mathematical ability!

  24. Voice of Reason

    Robert // February 22, 2009 at 9:11 am
    Actually this charge involved only German halftracks and was very small: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_at_Krojanty

    Robert // February 22, 2009 at 9:27
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaolzie
    The contested territory (801.5 km² with a population of 227,399 people) was originally demanded by Germany

    Robert // February 22, 2009 at 9:44 am http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_citizens_(1939-1946)

    Robert // February 23, 2009 at 4:19 am
    Check out this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mokra

    Robert // April 30, 2010 at 5:04 am
    I don’t consult Wikipedia at all

    Robert // May 2, 2010 at 8:01 am
    And the bottom line is: Wikipedia sucks and you are and idiot.

    Robert // May 1, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    And if you now post a Wikipedia link for an anwer, I swear I’ll punch you right through the Internet.
    ———————–

    Go ahead, Robert: punch yourself for all the lies, demagogy and hypocrisy that you spew out.

  25. child prostitutes in russia..Poor children :(

  26. Voice of Reason,
    Just calling him u ‘idiot’ and ‘moron’doesn’t make you right.

  27. Voice of Reason (Voice of Lies),
    Do you usually try to win arguments by shouting the loudest?

  28. ”Dmitry”, calling ‘disgusting’ everybody who does not share your nationalist views no longer works
    you really need to change the accusations and tricks.

  29. where is moderator? This site need registry to prevent spam.

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