EDITORIAL: Russians, Facing Extinction


Russians, Facing Extinction

According to the Russian government’s own propaganda network, RIA Novosti, in 2009 200,00 more people perished in Russia than were born.  If that’s what the Kremlin is willing to admit, just imagine the true horror of the real facts.

The average age a Russian person lives is just 65.5 years. This means that average Russian person would get to enjoy just six months of pension and retirement if he left the workforce at the age considered “normal” in the United States.  This average lifespan ranks Russia a shocking #137 among all world nations when compared for life expectancy, behind Bolivia, North Korea and Belarus.  Georgia, viewed by Russians as inferior civilization Russia is supposed to conquer and rule, ranks #108.   Ukraine is #123.  The USA is #38.  An average American lives thirteen years — that’s right, thirteen years — longer than an average Russian.

That means you need six Russian lives to add up to five American ones.  Is there a single fact that says more about the nature of modern Russia?  We don’t think so.

We think this fact alone disqualifies Vladimir Putin from consideration as a credible world leader. Instead of focusing his every waking minute and every once of precious national resources on this absolute emergency, Putin has chosen to spend years and billions of dollars building nuclear weapons and seeking confrontation with the West. He has invaded Georgia, annexed Ossetia, liquidated Politkovskaya, wiped out opposition parties and media and sought to revive the cult of Stalin.  Meanwhile, he has neglected the most urgent needs of the people of Russia.

Yet they have not called him to account.  While the USA has changed from Democrats (Bill Clinton) to Republicans (George Bush) and back again, Russia has maintained an absolute status quo.  Putin has not been required to participate in political debates, and he has not faced a serious challenge from any rival during his so-called “elections.”  This is irresponsible citizenship, and #137 is the price the people of Russia will continue to pay for it until they wake from their craven slumber or destroy themselves utterly.

91 responses to “EDITORIAL: Russians, Facing Extinction

  1. Abortion, heart disease, general poor health- that will wipe out any population. Russia has embraced what is termed “the culture of death”. Why? Who knows?

  2. The average age a Russian person lives is just 65.5 years

    It is actually 67.9 for 2008 (http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/population/demo/demo26.htm), and close to 70 in 2009. Not much point in expecting facts from LR, of course.


    Not much point in expecting a Russophile piece of garbage to explain why his KGB source is better than ours.

    Anatoly Karlin is banned from commenting on this blog. Are you him pretending to be somebody else?

    • Sorry to dissapoint you, LR, but the KGB doesn’t exist any more, and was not in the business of compiling life expectancy statistics when it was.

      As for why his source is better, it’s becuse it cited credible evidence about actual dynamic tendencies in life expectancy. You, however, pulled a number out of the air and hope we’ll eat it up like obedient little children. You might note that the article that you referenced in the beggining of your “edititorial” said nothing whatsoever about population decline, and nowhere mentioned a figure of 200,000. Quite to the contrary, it talked about an influx of migrants, a slowly but surely falling mortality rate , and a slowly but surely rising birth rate. The article exhibited cautious optimism, wheareas yours was another unprovable doomsday tale in the proud tradition of LR. It’s a hard fact to get used to for you, I understand, but Russia isn’t going any where. The social investment of the past decade is finally paying off. People who bet to on the Russians to lose lose themselves. Come to terms with that.

      • @KGB doesn’t exist any more

        Yes, Cheka (GPU, OGPU, NKVD, NKGB, KGB, FSK, etc) is now known as the FSB. So?

        @The social investment of the past decade


        • So, you failed to adress the simple fact that your doom and gloom narrative has nothing to do with the article you’re apprently using to back up your “claims” Why am I not surprised ?


          • Well Nikita, considering that Yeltsin merely renamed it while keeping the previous structures and personnell of the organisation proves Roberts point.

            • The Gerogian security agency hasn’t changed from its “glorious KGB past” either. Here are the first thing that my search produced. Just from last month:


              The Media Development Loan Fund

              Georgia: Security forces try to blackmail journalist

              by Peter Whitehead / 1st December, 2009

              Independent newspaper Gazeti Batumelebi claims that Georgian special services tried to entrap and blackmail the head of its investigative journalism team. Using methods similar to those of the KGB, the paper says that officers tried to blackmail Tedo Jorbenadze. Officers threatened to send sexually compromising photographs and videos of Mr Jorbenadze to his co-workers and parents, and to upload them to the Internet.

              To blackmail Tedo Jorbenadze, the Georgian special services used methods similar to the Soviet KGB – because a stigma regarding sexual orientation prevails in Georgia, representatives showed Jorbenadze photos of undressed men and told him that he was one of them.


              See, Drew, I told you: there are lots of gays/pederasts in Georgia and lots of fear and hate towards them. So, you are justified in keeping your pedophilia closeted.

              • But Arthur, you are the pedophile, after all, you are the one rushing to check out their websites and defending Putins pedophilia……

                I am sure you are logged on the FBI’s system as having accessed child pornography….

                • Drew,

                  Errr, whose web site did I “rush to visit”, you child-molesting liar? Your MLBPA? LOL.

                  • Well, you are the one who said you rushed to check it out, I only accused you of being a member, quite rightly too given your clearly stated support for Putins public molestation of a minor….

              • Meanwhile in relation to the FSB/KGB

                “Blindness and Betrayal
                The KGB-FSB continuity does not extend merely to espionage; it also includes all of the traditional KGB activities: active measures, disinformation, propaganda, assassination — and terrorism. As The New American has demonstrated in a series of articles, the modern terrorism phenomenon, which was launched by the Soviet KGB in the 1960s and ’70s, is continuing today under the auspices of the Russian FSB (available soon at http://www.exposingterrorism.com). The main difference today is that the Kremlin strategists have determined that it will be far more effective — for many reasons — for them to run their terror operations as deniable assets under the banner of Islam.

                There is another major difference; while Putin and the Russian Politburo continue to use terrorism as a form of asymmetric warfare against us, our leaders insist on pretending it isn’t happening. In fact, they insist Putin & Co. are our trusted “allies” against terrorism. The Obama administration is continuing the course set by George W. Bush in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. In a “Joint Declaration on a New Relationship Between the United States and Russia,” Presidents Bush and Putin said on May 24, 2002, that our countries had “embarked upon the path of new relations for the twenty-first century,” and are “committed to developing a relationship based on friendship, cooperation, common values, trust, openness, and predictability.”

                They further declared:

                We are achieving a new strategic relationship. The era in which the United States and Russia saw each other as an enemy or strategic threat has ended. We are partners and we will cooperate to advance stability, security, and economic integration, and to jointly counter global challenges and to help resolve regional conflicts.

                Pardon me for puncturing the balloon, but it must be noted that we’ve been treated to this spectacle before. Few may recall that several years before he was faced with the unpleasant task of announcing traitor Robert Hannsen’s “exceptionally grave” betrayals to the KGB/FSB, Bill Clinton’s FBI Director Louis Freeh was singing the praises of the KGB/FSB claque running Russia. On July 4, 1994, Freeh was in Moscow opening the FBI’s first legal attaché office in Russia and joining Russian Interior Minister Viktor Yerin in signing a protocol for close cooperation between the FBI and FSB. “We can honestly say that our two nations have more in common than ever before…. We are united in purpose and in spirit,” declared Freeh. FSB boss Sergei Stepashin was even more jubilant. “Together, we’re invincible,” he effused. Clinton’s Assistant Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke was only slightly less giddy about the new relationship . “We are in a new phase of foreign policy,” he declared. “The FBI is moving to the forefront of this new foreign policy.” Mr. Holbrooke, a director and leading light at the globalist Council on Foreign Relations, is now a key adviser to the Obama administration and its point man on Afghanistan and Pakistan.”


                • And unlike in Russia, the interior ministry is investigating the alledged attempt at blackmail and intends to prosecute those responsible.

                  “Police Probe into Journalist Blackmail Claims

                  Civil Georgia, Tbilisi / 2 Dec.’09 / 00:40

                  The Interior Ministry’s internal investigations unit has launched a probe into claims by the Batumi-based weekly newspaper, Batumelebi, that its journalist was blackmailed by the law enforcement officers, a senior official from the Interior Ministry said.

                  Shota Utiashvili, head of the information and analysis department at the Interior ministry, said in brief interview with the public TV’s program, Dialogue with Davit Paichadze, on December 1, that the case “contains clear sings of blackmailing”. He also said that the probe currently focused on efforts to identify those police officers who were, as claimed by the newspaper, attempting to blackmail and intimidate the journalist.

                  The case has been mainly ignored by the national television station’s news programs, but it was picked up by a newly launched program on the public TV, hosted by journalist Davit Paichadze, which is aired twice in a week.”


                  Also note the case was publicised on a public “ie state owned” broadcaster.

              • The real KGB legacy is of course in Russia:

                “Sergey Kovalev alleges that “the shortage of water cannot be explained by a poor water supply but was a deliberate element in the harsh treatment of detainees47”.

                The harshness of the detention conditions was increased by specific intentional ill-treatment inflicted upon the detainees which was “said to be routine during detention at “filtration points”48”. In particular before and after interrogation, it is alleged that detainees were subjected to torture and other forms of ill-treatment including:

                electric shock,
                sexual assault on both men and women,
                being stripped naked and left in cold and damp cells,
                systematic beating with rubber truncheons and metal hammers sometimes unto unconsciousness,
                deprivation of sleep,
                kicking and punching to various parts of the body (excluding the face),
                tear gas being regularly sprayed in cells…
                Testimonies of detainees are corroborated by medical examinations which are fully consistent with the allegations of ill-treatment suffered in “filtration camps”. United Nations, Council of Europe, NGO and national commissions of experts as well as journalists who conducted interviews with former detainees gathered reliable and virtually undeniable reports of forensic nature49.

                The guards of temporary detention facilities includes members of interior forces (Federal Security Services (FSB) and Special Police Units (OMON) officers) or so-called “specnaz” of the Russian Ministry of Justice. Throughout Russia, “[t]he Specnaz is ill-famed for being extremely cruel. […]. It is quite understandable that here, in Chechnya, when it enjoys full impunity, and in the context of war, its cruelty is amplified.”


                So Arthur the pedo-putinist, once again I suggest you get an education…..

  3. Sorry Mr KGB but the link you provide is to Siberian light a pro Putin web site, they have a vested interest to make Russia’s demographics look better than they appear.

    All other independent surveys from people who do not have an “axe” to grind state that by 2050 Russia’s population will fall from 142 million too 108 million, I tend to give more credence to these independent sources.

    Russia will face extreme pressure on its eastern boarders from China who today have a population of 1,335,007,500 and growing, they are eyeing up the great unpopulated lands of Siberia with its vast natural resources,

    Russia is the largest country in the world 11.5% of the worlds land mass, but has only 2.07% of the earth population, China 6.6% of the worlds land mass but has 19.67% of the world population, with the world’s population likely to grow from 6 billion to 9 billion by 2050. Russia will face a real challenge to hold onto all this land, and will face this dilemma alone and friendless.

    Russia and China fought a brief war over a land dispute in 1969; History has a habit of repeating itself.

    • Yep, History does do that. So, We’ll be looking foreward to repulsing the chinese with a storm of lead sometime in the future, just like in good ole’ ’69.

      Needless to say, you have a vested interest in making our demographics look bad. So why don’t you go take a look at a World Health Organization website or some other such source, which has no vested interest in either side of the debate on this non-issue.

      In fact, I’ll help you:
      Life expectancy at birth
      total population: 67.88 years
      male: 62.83 years
      female: 74.16 years (2008) [36]

      Courtesy WHO

      • I think you might find it a bit harder this time Nikita, last time they were 30 years behind in tech, now they are at least your equals, and there are a hell of a lot more of them too…

  4. Of course, it would be MUCH worse if not the Muslim population (already almost 1/5 of all Russians and steadily growing fast, with longer lives and many children). In other words, the ethnic Russian population (“the pure Slavic race” – http://georgiandaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16539&Itemid=72 ) suffered much, much worse than this. As usual.

  5. Oh yes…the ‘pure Slavs’! What a divine species!

    Have any of these idiots read a history book? Are any of them aware just how many different racial groups tore across their flat-lands raping and pillaging over the centuries?

  6. I saw an article that the population of the RF actually increased slightly, but a major factor was immigration from the former republics. This will no doubt continue to drive the skinkhedi quite mad.

    The same article noted that there were more abortions than live births. Another shocking comment.

  7. Mamuka:
    [I saw an article that the population of the RF actually increased slightly]

    Of course you did. The Reuters article:


    Russia says population up for first year since 1995
    Tue Jan 19, 2010

    MOSCOW (Reuters) – Russia has registered the first population increase since the chaotic years which followed the fall of the Soviet Union, bucking a long-term decline that has dampened economic growth projections, officials said on Tuesday.

    Russia’s population increased by between 15,000 and 25,000 to more than 141.9 million in 2009, the first annual increase since 1995, Health Minister Tatyana Golikova told a meeting in the Kremlin with President Dmitry Medvedev.

    The rise was helped by a 4 percent decline in mortality rates and an influx of immigrants, mostly from the former republics of the former Soviet Union, Golikova said. “The difference between birth rates and mortality rates will be covered by a rise in migration,” Golikova said in a televised Kremlin meeting, adding that Russia was trying to cut the number of abortions.

    U.S. bank Goldman Sachs has said that a change in population forecasts could significantly change the long-term growth projections for Russia. Goldman says Russia could grow by 1.5-4.4 percent a year from 2011-2050. Goldman economist Jim O’Neill wrote in a report last month that Russia’s economy could overtake Germany’s in 2029 and Japan’s in 2037.

    LR wrote:
    [in 2009 200,00 more people perished in Russia than were born]

    Well, this gap much less than in previous years. It has been reducing since 2007. But, even if there were no immigration to Russia and the gap between deaths and births remained at 200,000 per year, that would mean that by 2050, the population would have dropped by 200,000*40 = 8 million, from 142 million to 134 million.

    R John wrote:
    [by 2050 Russia’s population will fall from 142 million too 108 million]

    Bzz, wrong answer. I guess you have never studied arithmetic or grammar. 142 – 8 = 134, not 108.

    Moreover, Goldman now predicts a “1.5-4.4 percent a year growth from 2011-2050”. If we take the mid-figure of 3% growth per year – by year 2050 the economy of Russia will be 1.03^40 = 3.26 times larger than today. So, unless the Russian population greatly increases, Russia will have more than 3 times higher GDP per capita by 2050. Not bad.

    • Hmmm.

      Arthur forgets one important fact, the majority of Russia’s demographic decline has been in the under 50’s age bracket.

      Russia is facing a demographic disaster in the long term due to the rapidly dwindling availiable pool of mothers.

      Moscow News
      October 5, 2009
      Mini baby boom won’t end crisis
      By Anna Arutunyan
      For the first time in 15 years, Russia has stopped dying out. In other words, about 1,000 more people were born in August than died, the Health Ministry boasted last week.

      The government has touted a modest baby boom as evidence that its stimulus measures aimed at raising the birth rate are working. But demographers say there is little way to tell what exactly has caused a yearly increase of 7 per cent to 8 per cent in the last few years – maternity benefit packages, improving economic conditions, or something else entirely.

      Mothers-to-be, meanwhile, show just how idiosyncratic their decisions can be in the wake of the economic crisis.

      When Olga, a 27-year-old designer who is eight months pregnant, learned that she was expecting last spring, she quit her job. And now, as unemployment continues to rise, so did her husband. “He just got mad and left,” she said. “They offered three days a week, for less pay, and he didn’t take it, they were obviously trying to pressure him because there was a baby on the way. So both of us are taking a break. We’re going to focus on having a baby and remodeling our house.”

      Like most of the middle-class women taking pregnancy classes at a central Moscow prenatal centre, Olga was letting her personal biological clock make the decisions. When asked, most of the women said that the economic crisis was somewhere in the back of their minds when they decided to have a baby. But the determining factors were their ages and those of their spouses. Their personal economic comfort ranked somewhere second.

      While the latest spike is good short term news, it will hardly dent a far more pervasive demographic crisis, experts said. According to the UN, Russia’s population has shrunk by 6.6 million people since 1993, and could lose up to 11 million more by 2025.

      “What we are seeing today is a temporary fluctuation,” said Igor Beloborodov, director of the Institute of Demographic Studies. “We can’t define this as an improvement. The general situation in Russia and in Europe is really a demographic chasm.”

      Short-term financial measures aren’t going to change that significantly, he said. “As society becomes more secularised, and as the family breaks apart, women keep having fewer children. Thirty per cent of babies are born out of wedlock, and up to 60 per cent of marriages fail.”

      The government has made raising the birthrate by at least 50 per cent a national priority, with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev drawing attention to the demographic crisis. Measures since 2006 include larger maternity packages with paid maternity leave for up to 18 months, and full salary compensation for four months. The so-called “maternity capital” gives women who have a second child $10,000 for housing or education.

      These measures have certainly had an effect on the latest spike, but they won’t solve the demographic chasm, said Sergei Zakharov, a demographics expert at the Higher School of Economics. “But we can’t be certain whether this is actually a lasting trend, or that women are merely having the same number of children as planned, only sooner.”

      In other words, the current rise may be followed by a compensatory drop after about five years. Financial incentives, experts said, only encourage women to have their one or two children sooner. They do not help women to have larger families.

      It is also nearly impossible to ascertain what exactly plays a role in increasing the birth rate, Zakharov said.

      “The current policy overestimates financial instruments, and completely ignores more serious problems, like the conflict between work and family,” Zakharov said. In Beloborodov’s words, the only way to “solve” the crisis is to shift the priority towards reestablishing a traditional family structure and encouraging religion, which has been proven to increase the birth rate. “Just look at Saudi Arabia – polls show that women there consider it a necessity to have a lot of children,” Beloborodov said.

      Evidence that the economic crisis could have a negative effect on the birthrate is inconclusive.

      “People’s life cycles do not work like economic cycles,” Zakharov said. Nor do women seem to be having more abortions as modern contraceptive methods become cheaper and more widespread in Russia. “Women are using contraceptives to delay pregnancies, and we are not seeing a rise in unwanted pregnancies.” The abortion rate in Russia – one of the highest in the world – kept falling in 2008.

      Doctors, meanwhile, did not give any evidence that the crisis was significantly affecting women’s reproductive decisions. “No, the number of women choosing to have an abortion has not increased,” said Julia Khromova, a gynaecologist at a private Moscow reproductive clinic.

      Women are cutting back on delivery packages at hospitals, however.

      “Women were paying about 100,000 rubles [about $3,500] for contracts,” said Alexandra Goldina, a nurse and midwife who teaches a pregnancy class in Moscow. “Now, most women won’t pay any more than 60,000 roubles, and many aren’t paying at all.” A contract usually allows women to choose a doctor, to have the husband present during labour, and provides a separate room for recovery. Besides not getting these amenities, “women who give birth for free they aren’t necessarily treated very well,” Goldina said. “The doctors will do everything that’s necessary, but they won’t offer additional help or coaching.”

      There is also a widespread practice of paying a doctor and his team informally to take better care of the patient. The cash varies depending on hospital, but hovers around 20,000 roubles. More women have opted for this informal (and, technically, illegal) arrangement in lieu of the more expensive contracts, Goldina said.

      While there is no other statistical evidence that the crisis is affecting the birthrate, all that could still change. “If the crisis is long-lasting,” said Zakharov, “that could impact family planning.”

    • Then you could also try reading the UNDP report on the Russian demographic disaster (written mainly by Russians one might add)

      Click to access NHDR_Russia_2008_Eng.pdf

      “The report describes the stark reality of a country whose population is falling fast, to a considerable extent because of rampant alcohol abuse among men, who on average are dying before they make it to 60 years old. “Short life expectancy is the main feature of this crisis, though by no means its only feature. The birth rate is too low, the population is shrinking and ageing, and Russia is on the threshold of rapid loss of able-bodied population, which will be accompanied by a growing demographic burden per able-bodied individual. The number of potential mothers is starting to decline and the country needs to host large flows of immigrants,” the report says.

      Since 1992, the natural decrease of Russia’s population has amounted to a staggering 12.3m people. This has been compensated to some degree by the arrival of 5.7m immigrants. But many are ethnic Russians from former Soviet republics, and the source is drying up. Overall, Russia had 142m people at the start of 2008, compared with 148.6m in 1993. By 2025, the figure will almost certainly fall below 140m and could be as low as 128m.

      The implications for Russia’s economy are enormous. The authors cite forecasts from Rosstat, the national statistics agency, that Russia’s working age population will decline by 14m between now and 2025. As Vladimir Putin said three years ago when he was president, the demographic emergency is “the most acute problem facing Russia today””

  8. And so is the environment under Putins administration:

    Anger at Putin decision to allow Lake Baikal paper mill to reopenRussian prime minister rules that mill can resume production 15 months after being closed down on ecological grounds

    Luke Harding in Moscow

    Environmentalists today rounded on Vladimir Putin after he amended legislation to allow the pollution of Russia’s Lake Baikal, home to one-fifth of the world’s supply of fresh water and unique plants and animals.

    Putin ruled that a pulp and paper mill on the shores of the Siberian lake could resume production 15 months after being closed down on ecological grounds.

    His decree appeared to be a favour to Oleg Deripaska, the plant’s billionaire owner and the Russian prime minister’s favourite oligarch.

    For decades, environmental groups have attacked the Baikalsk pulp and paper mill, which bleaches paper with chlorine and discharges its waste water into the lake.

    Putin allowed the factory to reopen after a visit to Baikal last summer, when he went to the bottom of the lake in a submersible mini-submarine.

    Today, Greenpeace said it was deeply concerned by Putin’s decree, adding that it had written to the president, Dmitry Medvedev, to ask him to cancel it.

    It described the Soviet-era paper mill as an “ecologically dangerous enterprise” and claimed Russia was flouting its international commitment to protect the lake, a Unesco world heritage site.

    “The impact of the mill has been discussed many times not just by environmentalists but also by scientists,” Roman Vazhenkov, Greenpeace Russia’s Lake Baikal campaigner, told the Guardian.

    “I think we can be sure it [the mill] will never kill Baikal, but it can significantly spoil the southern part of it.

    “The area of impact is several dozens of square kilometres. It covers quite a big part of southern Baikal – not just the water, but the shore as well.”

    Vazhenkov said there had been a “huge die-off” of Baikal’s indigenous seal or nerpa population – one of only three entirely freshwater seal species in the world – during the 1990s.

    The lake also boasts its own fish, the omul, 1,085 species of plants and 1,550 animals.

    Scientists found the seals had died of disease, but also discovered chlorine substances in the creatures’ fatty tissues and weakened immune systems.

    Sulphur compounds from the mill have damaged lakeside forests, Vazhenkov said.

    The Russian media questioned why Putin had given preferential treatment to Deripaska, whose struggling aluminium and auto empire has already benefited from billions in state handouts.

    “Judging by the number of presents Deripaska has got from the government over the past crisis year, it must be love,” the opposition Novaya Gazeta paper said.

    The Kremlin-supporting Moskovksy Komsomolets was also critical. “The fact that Putin has signed this legislation shows that the interests of oligarchs and Deripaska are far more important to him than the interests of nature in this country and Baikal,” Aleksey Yablokov, an ecologist and Russian academy of science member, told the paper.

    Opponents suspect a decision to allow the factory to restart was taken several months ago.

    After returning from the lakebed last summer, Putin said he had found nothing untoward.

    “As far as Baikal is concerned, it’s in good condition,” he said. “There is practically no pollution.” He added that he had found “a lot of plankton and small creatures”.

    The Russian government has been trying to help the country’s troubled monogorods, single-factory towns devastated by the economic crisis.

    The Baikal mill employs 2,000 people, and is the main employer in Baikalsk, which has a population of 17,000. It also includes a heating complex that warms the town.

    Critics said Putin’s decision would damage Baikal’s future as a tourist destination and scare off potential investors.

    Many of those thrown out of work when the mill closed in October 2008 have already found new jobs, they added.

    The factory, built in 1966, was earmarked for closure in 1987 but survived because of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    The new legislation comes into effect on 25 January and also allows for the dumping of waste, including radioactive material, on the shores of Lake Baikal.

    Putin previously reacted to public pressure in 2006 when, as president, he routed an oil pipeline away from the lake.

    “This is a major national scandal. There is huge opposition in Siberia. It’s also a PR disaster for Russia internationally,’ Vazhenkov said.

    Asked why Putin had signed the decree, his first legislative act of 2010, he said: “The factory is economically unprofitable. I simply don’t know.”

    Oksana Gorlova, a spokeswoman for the paper plant, said it “doesn’t represent, and hasn’t represented, a threat to the lake or its ecology”.

    “The ecosystem hasn’t changed over the past 45 years, and the environment ministry’s annual reports confirm this,” she added.

    She said Deripaska had wanted to close the loss-making factory, but had agreed to reopen it to prevent a social crisis under state pressure. It was the only way of saving the town, she claimed.


  9. Arthur,

    I think we’d all really love to catch up with you in 2050.

    • Wal,

      I am sure you all would love to be doing **anything** in 2050 other than pushing daisies.

      • Well, not living in Russia makes it much more likely that we will still be here.

        You still have not answered why you live in the US when you A) Hate it’s policies so much and B) Love Putin and Russia so much and think it is such a wonderful place.

        Please explain

  10. Arthur writes,
    Spamming again, eh?
    This from the master of copy/paste

  11. sascha_hero Germany

    the future of russian belongs to the muslims,and i am very glad about this fact. No other ethnic group has brought so much death and terror to the human race like the “russian slavs”!!! It´s a good message for for the planet,that the russian male-scum is dying out,while the russian girls are leaving to the West in large numbers!

    • Correct. The only problem here is that the RuSSian girls usually end up being prostitutes and pole dancers here in the West. We don’t need RuSSian vodka-drinking scums here at all.

  12. The Russian government are desperate to stem this catastrophic population decline,so much so they introduced a scheme in 2007 to pay $10,000 in vouchers for Russian women who give birth to a second child. This reeks of desperation, the promise of this payment has given birth-rates a little boost, but when the money is not paid, Russians will again stop breeding, and who can blame them, they are educated people, why bring a child into the a world when 80% of the citizens in the country you live (Russia) are caught in a poverty trap with no means of escape.

    Another Medvedev swiping initiative is to raise the cost of Vodka,from a minimum of 40 roubles per half litre to 89 roubles, he thinks this will reduce Russia’s alcohol abuse and halt Russian male extinction.A simple solution from a very simple man.The “moonshiners” must be rubbing their hands together.

    • According to figures published by the World Bank at the end of last year, 18 percent of the Russian population lives below the poverty line, which is defined as a monthly income of 1,000 roubles (less than 30 euros, or $38).

      So much for %80 of Russians being caugth an a trap of any sort. Look before you speak, it might help you.

  13. Well, I am sure that France, Germany, Netherlands and most other EU countries will turnn Islamic much sooner than Russia. Moreover, most of the Muslims in Russia are highly civilised, modern, low-religious and quite high IQ – Tatars, Bashkirs, Kazakhs – while the Muslims in EU – except for Turks – are islamic extremists.

    But it any case, if you seriously believe in the prospect of EU and Russia joining the Islamic alliance against USA, this must be scaring US politicians sh*tless.

  14. While it would be great to see more Muslims like the Safin siblings and Elena Isynbaeva (I personally can’t forget a stunnigly beautiful and passionate Bashkir girlfriend I had) , don’t underestimate the “Christian power” in Russia either:

    There are about 30 million Ukrainians, 4 million Georgians and maybe 2 million Moldovans – all Orthodox Christians – who would love to be living in Russia.

    • “Two million Moldovans”? :) There’s no such thing as a “Moldovan”. There are maybe 25 million Romanians in Europe, none of whom would be even remotely interested in moving to Russia. There is indeed a small Russian minority (5%) in the “Republic of Moldova” (an artificial post-soviet state inhabited by ethnic Romanians) but even they are desperate to get Romanian citizenship and immigrate to Romania or elsewhere in the EU.

    • A u,

      Here are some references:


      Over the years certain ethnic groups have come to dominate certain jobs: Azerbaijanis run the fruit and vegetable markets; Ukrainians Belarusians and Moldovans work as builders renovators and house cleaners.

      Moldova and Tajikistan are the ex-USSR republics most dependent on remittances. In Tajikistan, remittances in Moldova is a third of GDP. The Moldovan government estimated that remittances would be $1.8 billion in 2008. Some 450,000 Moldovans are employed abroad, including 300,000 in Western Europe and 150,000 in Russia.


      Russia: CIS Migrants

      There are about 10 illegal foreign workers in Russia for every legal migrant. Russia had about 460,000 legal foreign workers in 2004, including 48 percent from Commonwealth of Independent States countries, the ex-USSR countries.

      Armenia has the highest share of its workers abroad – perhaps 700,000 in a labor force of 1.2 million; followed by Moldova, 700,000 migrants in a labor force of 1.5 million; Russia sent the fewest migrants abroad and received the most from other CIS countries: up to 1.2 million Russians are abroad in a labor force of 73 million, but most of the migrants from Russia’s CIS neighbors head to Russia. Ryazancev estimated that five million of the CIS migrants in Russia are illegal, while Russia’s Federal Migration Service estimates 10 million illegal migrants.

      Russia is richer than the migrants’ countries of origin. Perhaps half of Moscow’s construction workers are migrants from other CIS countries.
      There is specialization in migrant employment in Russia by country of origin, with Ukrainians and Moldavians employed in construction and transport and the Chinese in trade or agriculture.


      a million foreign workers in and around Moscow – many from Ukraine, Moldova…


      Compared with the bleakness of outlying regions, Moscow has the air of a fairy-tale metropolis, an Emerald City rising in the midst of a depressed post-industrial landscape. Its exuberant, often vulgar prosperity… That contrast is most vivid at the city’s train stations, where local employers come to meet particular trains — particularly from Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova — scanning the platforms for young men with tell-tale rough hands and carrying cloth bags filled with work clothes and even provisions.

      Not all the foreign workers in Moscow come from the former Soviet Union. According to the city’s Migration Service, the largest group in this category is Turks… The migrants, for the most part, are taking jobs at wages Muscovites would refuse. ”It’s work local people don’t want to do.”

      ”I have seen a whole village come from Moldova, with women and children. It is the opportunity that brings them here, because they have none at home.”

      BTW, if the fact that the majority of people in Moldova don’t want to have anything to do with Romania and the word “Moldova” bother you – you can substitute “Romania” for “Moldova” everywhere above, e.g.,: “”I have seen a whole village come from Romania, with women and children.”

      • Hmmm.

        According to the CIS agreements made at Bishkek in 1992, citizens of former soviet republics that were members of the CIS were entitled to permanent residency and work permits in other CIS members by law until 2001 when the Russian government unilaterally changed the law and treated former Soviet citizens as foriegners.

        However the Russian government chose to retroactively apply the law to those who arrived prior to 2001, thereby at a stroke depriving huge parts of the immigrant community of their legal right to reside and work in Russia.

        Calling them “illegal immigrants” shows the typical Russian racism towards ethnic minorities.

        Interstingly enough Russia claimed the Bishkek agreements gave it the right (not recognised in international law) to bestow Russian passports on populations living outside Russia, despite having repudiated that agreement in 2001.

      • Arthur, you come across more and more like a moron. Indeed, the “Republic of Moldova” (an artificial state, as I pointed out) is the poorest region in Europe, and its economy depends on remittances from migrant workers. But the place is in such a wretched state precisely because of RUSSIAN occupation. Some migrants from Moldova work in Moscow (because they don’t need visas and can find work easier) but their first choice is generally Italy or Portugal or Spain.

        As for “Moldovans” wanting nothing to do with Romania, yeah, that’s why even ethnic Russians from there are queuing for Romanian citizenship and are desperate to go to Romania. Moron.

        • A wrote:
          [more like a moron…. Moron.]

          You seem like an individual with a big chip on his shoulder and with heavy senstivity to the word “moron”. British kids must be very cruel. Next time they call you that – tell them that by calling you “a moron”, they denigrate handicapped people and prove that they themseves are no smarter than you.

          • Oh Arthur, stop describing your Russian culture to us, we know that Russia is a sick place, but spare us the intimate details….

            Actually the UK, like the rest of the EU look after thier hanidcapped (physically or otherwise) citizens, unlike Russia, where physically and mentally handicapped people are frequently publicly abused and treated like dirt, handicapped children are usually abandoned by their parents into the living hell that is the Russian orpahange system.

          • You really are an insistent, sick fellow, aren’t you, Andrew ? In the absence of ability to cite evidence other than that from State Department-subsidized “human rights organizations” and blogs, you are reduced to using mediocre terms like “sick” and making claims about the Russian orphanage system, which, I suspect you have never witnessed for yourself. I would pity you, if you were not so thickheaded. According to Svetlana Vishnikina, who was on a commission studying disability during the Yeltisin years, and is now an indpendent resercher on the subject, published a study in late 2006. The report estimated a maximum of 1.1 million handicapped children in the Country. Of these, 792,000 are in their original, or sometimes, adoptive famalies. So much for “usually abandoned.” You know, it’s funny, I have yet to see a handicapped person publically abused. But then again, I only live, work and travel all over Russia, so I’m hardly qualified to comment, right ? You on the other hand, languishing in front of a computer god-knows-where, are highly qualified to conduct educated analyses on Russian culture and society, so what am I even saying.

            • Sigh

              Nikita, you really are a retard.

              Russia’s disabled suffer neglect and abuse

              By Richard Galpin
              BBC News, Moscow

              The BBC has obtained shocking evidence of the abuse and prejudice which campaigners say is widespread against the estimated 13 million people with disabilities in Russia.

              Many are like prisoners inside their own homes, unable to go outside because of the lack of basic facilities in the towns and cities, while tens of thousands of children with disabilities go without any education.

              Vadim Voevodin, who has suffered more than most, is behind a campaign to improve life for those with disabilities in Russia, and as we sat inside his tiny Moscow apartment, he showed me a shocking video.

              In the black and white CCTV footage a man kneels on the ground outside his apartment, under attack.

              He tries to fight back but is pushed down and held in a neck-lock.

              But this is no banal brawl between two angry able-bodied men.

              The man on the ground is Mr Voevodin, and he is kneeling because he is paralysed from the waist down.

              He has just been dragged from his wheelchair after answering a knock on the door from a local resident who came with the intention of beating him up.

              Two years after this brutal attack Mr Voevodin still lives in fear, and the two small rooms which he calls home are packed with surveillance equipment.

              CCTV cameras and microphones protrude from every corner and a bank of monitors, video recorders and computers dominate an entire wall.

              But the electronics are not only there because of his fears about security; the apartment is also the nerve-centre of his campaign.

              And that is because he has no other choice of location.

              He said he has not been able to go outside for the past 10 years because his front door is too narrow to get through in a wheelchair and, even if it was wider, he would not be able to get into the lift to go down to the ground-floor because it is too small.

              And if he ever made it onto the city’s streets he would face a maze of obstacles – steep kerbs , flights of steps, cars parked on pavements and a public transport system almost all of which is inaccessible for those with disabilities.

              But even all this is not what troubles him the most.

              ‘Undeclared war’

              On his website he has posted a series of photographs of associates whom he said have died because of the acute prejudice within Russian society against those with disabilities.

              “The situation for people with disabilities here is now worse than in Soviet times, it’s like an undeclared war against us,” he said.

              “A wheelchair user I know, who was an active fighter for the rights of people with disabilities… was left to die in a hospital ward.

              “There was another incident in Saratov. One of our members had a stroke and when they rang up the hospital they said they did not take invalids on Mondays. She died that day.

              “In the last 10 years, 40 of my colleagues have died.”

              It is extremely difficult to verify these claims, but there was a swift denial from the authorities.

              “The attitude in our health system is the same for everyone whether for people with disabilities or for people who are normally healthy,” said Igor Gordeev of the social defence department of Moscow’s city government.

              “There is the Hippocratic Oath for doctors and they should follow it.”

              Mr Gordeev also insists the Moscow authorities are now spending $300m (£190m) to improve facilities in the city for those with disabilities.

              At a large school in central Moscow there are the first signs of a change in attitude within the general population.

              The school is one of a handful involved in a project to include children with disabilities in the city’s schools.

              Most are still either educated in separate schools or at home – which according to the government’s own figures means 170,000 children with disabilities in Russia do not receive any education at all.

              Twelve-year-old Natalya, who was born deaf and has limited speech, has settled into her new school well.

              She said: “I like it very much here.

              “I am more keen to learn here than in my previous [separate] school. Here I only get excellent marks.”


              Some of the children in her class admitted they had never seen a person with disabilities before.

              “I have changed my attitude to these people and I now think they are normal,” said one pupil.

              “I don’t think they are different or that there is anything wrong with them.”

              A senior teacher said initially there had been resistance from some parents who said they did not want their children studying with people with disabilities.

              But that resistance has now faded away.

              It is a small beginning.

              But the challenge of overcoming decades of neglect is formidable, and for now most of those with disabilities here remain isolated and vulnerable.


            • “In Russia, children have been abandoned to the state at a rate of more than 100,000 per year. 1Children Charity.org found in 1998 that children in Russian orphanages are exposed to appalling levels of cruelty and neglect. They may be beaten, locked in freezing rooms for days at a time, or sexually abused, and are often subjected to degrading treatment by staff.
              Russian babies who are classified as disabled are segregated into separate rooms where they are changed and fed, but are bereft of stimulation and lacking in medical care, contrary to many protections in the Convention on the Rights of the Child. At age four, these and other children who are labeled retarded or “oligophrenic” (“small-brained”) are sent to locked and isolated “psycho-neurological internats,” which are little better than prisons. Considered “ineducable,” children in these facilities may be restrained in cloth sacks, tethered to furniture, denied stimulation and are sometimes left to lie half-naked in their own filth. Orphans who survive to the age of eighteen move on to an adult internat, removed from public view.
              Russian orphans who are not categorized as disabled grow up in institutions where they routinely suffer the infliction of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment and punishment at the hands of staff.1children Charity.org get fact In the orphanages, children are physically punished not only by school staff, but by older children within the institutions, who are encouraged to beat up, bully, and intimidate younger ones. The use of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment and punishment, including corporal punishment, public shaming, and isolation in freezing rooms are not uncommon. Children have no means of redress or complaint, to protest ill-treatment and abuse at the hands of staff and older children.”


              Thousands of Russian children abandoned to state orphanages are exposed to appalling levels of cruelty and neglect, according to a 213-page report released in Moscow by Human Rights Watch. The report is a year-long investigation accompanied by a series of powerful color photographs providing further evidence of malign neglect and inhuman treatment.

              Entitled “Abandoned to the State: Cruelty and Neglect in Russian Orphanages,” the report documents that “children in state custodial institutions are deprived of basic human rights at every stage of their lives.”

              “The abuse in orphanages cannot simply be attributed to Russia’s economic crisis,” said Kathleen Hunt, author of the Human Rights Watch report. “The problem of scarce resources does not justify the appalling treatment children receive at the hands of the state. It wouldn’t take more money for Russia to change these policies immediately.”

              Hunt said that many of these children do not need to be institutionalized at all, but could be better cared for at home, or in foster homes, at considerably less expense. “The population of these orphanages is far too high and it’s growing,” said Hunt, noting that about 200,000 children live in state institutions in Russia.

              Beginning with infancy, orphans classified as disabled are segregated into “lying down” rooms of the nation’s 252 “baby houses,” where they are changed and fed but are bereft of stimulation and lacking in medical care.

              Those who are labeled retarded or “oligophrenic” (small-brained), face another grave and consequential violation of their rights around the age of four. At that time, a state commission diagnoses them as “ineducable,” and warehouses them for life in “psycho-neurological internats.” After this diagnosis, it is virtually impossible for an orphan to appeal the decision. According to official statistics, some 30,000 children are confined to these locked and isolated institutions, which are little better than prisons.

              The orphans may be restrained in cloth sacks, tethered to furniture, denied stimulation and are sometimes left to lie half-naked in their own filth. In both “baby houses” and “internats,” children may be administered powerful sedatives without medical orders.

              In a throwback to the abhorrent abuse in Soviet psychiatric institutions, orphans and institution staff also told Human Rights Watch of cases when children who tried to run away were sent to a psychiatric hospital for punishment or treatment.

              Not only disabled orphans suffer violations of their rights in Russian state orphanages, according to Human Rights Watch. Even ‘normal’ abandoned children—whom the state evaluates as intellectually capable of functioning on a higher level—may be beaten, locked in freezing rooms for days at a time, or sexually abused.

              Public humiliation was one of the forms of punishment recorded by Human Rights Watch in interviews with children from three different regions of Russia. “The teacher would punish children by bringing everyone into the classroom, and then making the ones who did something wrong get undressed and stand in front of the open window when it was very cold,” according to an orphan interviewed in St. Petersburg. “Several children would be stripped and have to stand like that while the others had to watch…as a threat,” the orphan said.

              Official statistics indicate that children have been abandoned to the state at a rate of 113,000 for the past two years. This figure is up dramatically from 67,286 in 1992.

              Human Rights Watch points out the wide variation among state institutions and cites an independent program in one psycho-neurological internat that has made remarkable progress with disabled children.

              Among its recommendations to Russian authorities and international community, the human rights organization calls for the state to “immediately take steps to end the gross neglect, and the physical and psychological abuse by staff working in the custodial institutions of the three ministries involved: Health, Education, and Labor and Social Development.”

              The report also urges the state to develop humane alternatives to huge custodial institutions by reallocating existing resources to more family-based care.


            • Russian orphanages spending less than a penny a day on each childBuzz up!
              Digg it
              Tom Parfitt in Moscow
              The Guardian, Friday 13 January 2006
              Article history
              An investigation by the Russian general prosecutor’s office into violations of the law in state orphanages has found some institutions allocate as little as 30 kopecks (0.6p) a day for each child’s care.
              The report reveals catastrophic conditions in thousands of children’s homes across the country, many of them crumbling buildings where children go barefoot or without adequate clothing.

              Critics yesterday blamed the scandal on President Vladimir Putin’s decision in 2004 to transfer responsibility for funding of most social services to Russia’s 87 regions, many of which are cash-starved.

              Announcing the report’s conclusions, deputy-general prosecutor Sergei Fridinsky said it had “established that in many regions of Russia the guarantee of social support to orphans is being violated; that is, not fulfilled”.

              Commentators said the report was a stark reminder that although high oil prices are pushing a boom in the economy, the revenues have yet to trickle down to some of the country’s most needy.

              Boris Altshuler, director of the Right of the Child organisation, said conditions in many institutions were “absolutely terrifying”, citing a recent case of a child who was forced to dig a grave for another orphan. Results of the prosecutors’ investigation have been sent to health minister Mikhail Zurabov with a demand to rectify the situation.

              A separate report on conditions in institutions for mentally disabled children, which is being drafted by the Kremlin’s human rights ombudsman, has recorded numerous complaints of maltreatment, the Guardian learned yesterday. “We found cases of beating of patients, children being used as forced labour and cleaners standing in for medical personnel,” said Natalia Yakovleva, of the ombudsman’s staff.

              An adviser to the state duma’s committee on women, children and the family said the decision to pass social spending to regional authorities had caused “very serious problems”.

              Corruption and poor training are thought to be factors in the abuse. Mr Fridinsky identified funding as the key problem, with most institutions short of minimum budgets by 5% to 20%. Last year 68 of Russia’s regions had to rely on federal handouts to break even. Orphanages for retarded children in Mordovia had a budget of 2.8 rubles (5p) a child a day, those in Karelia had 1.4 rubles and one centre in Petrozavodsk, western Russia, was allocating 30 kopecks a child.

              Experts said the critical funding situation was compounded by poor public oversight of orphanages, and obstacles to adoption. “These are practically closed institutions which are completely unaccountable,” Mr Altshuler said. “MPs have repeatedly rejected the idea of independent public inspections of children’s homes without prior announcement.”

              Alexander Filimonov, the director of the Kardymov orphanage in Smolensk region, said increased help to parents who could give orphans a home was vital. “A lot of money could be saved if we placed kids with families, where they are much more likely to prosper,” he said.


              • Looks like it would be a good cause to contribute to various Western charities that make life better for orphans in Russia and Georgia:


                ROOF :: Russian Orphan Opportunity Fund
                Providing high-quality education for children in and from Russian orphanages


                The Caucasus Children’s Relief Fund (CCRFund) is an American non-profit charity dedicated to providing food, medicine and basic necessities for two destitute orphanages in the former Soviet republic of Georgia. As a developing nation emerging from Soviet domination, Georgia has few resources to spare for its neediest citizens, orphaned and abandoned children.

                The CCRFund looks forward to improving basic sanitation facilities at the orphanages (the toilets are rudimentary and there is no hot running water).

                • In this case Arthur, I agree entirely.

                  All children, Russian, Georgian, Haitian, deserve our best efforts and support to give them the best possibel chance in life.

          • Arthur, you little Russian moron, you seem to have an obsession with the Brits and with boys. As I’m not British and I don’t live in Britain, I have no idea how British “boys” are like, you seem to know more about that. Were they “cruel” because they refused your advances? :)

            • A,

              When you reply to me, please quote what you are replying to. With Andrew dumping thousands of lines of spam – it is hard, if not impossible, to follow the thread.

              • Come on Arthur, fess up.

                I think A has found out your dirty little secret….

                Of course molesting boys is pretty typical for Russians like yourself.

                Another one of the reasons Russian women prefer caucasians…….

  15. Hmmm. I don’t know many Georgians who even want to speak Russian, let alone live in a country that treats them with such obvious racism, such as deporting legal citizens on unseated transport planes, closes down Georgian Churches, closes reataurants, businesses etc based on the race of the proprietors, commits ethnic cleansing of Georgians etc.

    Pretty much all the Georgians who can stomach Russia are already there.

    Nowdays Georgians prefer to live in civilised states such as the US or EU.

    BTW Arthur, if you are such a proud Russian why do you feel the need to live in the USA?

    I am sure Russia could do with someone of your obvious patriotism……

    • Well, that’s typical of a lot of nationalistic Russians: they rant about the greatness of Russia yet they would not hesitate if they had the chance to move anywhere else. It’s like with the Russians in Moldova, probably the vilest, most xenophobic of all Russian communities abroad: they rant against “Romanian fascism” and the “Soviet motherland” yet they’re desperate to get Romanian citizenship and enjoy the benefits of being in the EU. Pure scum.

    • Baseless allegations + No evidence : Inconvincing argument or lack thereof alltogether. Not that you’ll be able to find and evidence, as all those deported were those who had neither citizenship not immigration papers. As per the highest law of the land, the constitution, those who have neither of the two things noted above are eligible for deportation. I see you are completely ok with hundereds of thousands of your countrymen coming from Georgia to make a living in Russia every year. For some reason, when a few irresponsible people break a judicial norm, you start squaking like a chicken.
      If you hadn’t been aware, the Moscow patriarchate and the Georgian orthodox church enjoy a decent relationship and the Russian church has even donated funds towards the resoration of several church properties that were in significant states of disrepair. There is, predictably when coming from you, no evidence of the closure of a single Georgian church on either side of the border. lolz

      And please, it’s time to stop spouting forth the “ethnic cleansing” narrative. At first, it was hilarious, but now it’s just plain pathetic. Unless of course, you’ve signed a special contract with Saka do disseminate his agitprop through the internet, which I could perfectly understand. Then please, carry on.

      • @And please, it’s time to stop spouting forth the “ethnic cleansing” narrative. At first, it was hilarious, but now it’s just plain pathetic.

        So, how hilarious and pathetic was this?

        Putin accuses Georgia of genocide

        Vladimir Putin says Georgia has broken the rules of war in its offensive in South Ossetia. After visiting a refugee camp in North Ossetia, the Prime Minister accused Georgia of genocide and said those responsible for war crimes should be prosecuted.
        Putin says Georgia is leading a “war against the rules”, calling Tbilisi’s actions against South Ossetia, genocide

        Also with his sidekick:

        MOSCOW: Russia’s President Dmitry Medvedev has accused Georgia of committing “genocide” against the people of South Ossetia and vowed to continue the Russian military operation in the region.
        “The form this aggression took is nothing less than genocide because Georgia committed heaviest crimes — civilians were torched, sawed to pieces and rolled over by tanks,” he added.
        Meeting refugees from South Ossetia earlier, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin also accused Georgia and said it was committing “complete genocide.”

        Also, “ethnic cleansing” from the unbiased “North Korea TV”:

  16. Nikita you are obviously a Russian who doesn’t live in Russia,Ok 18% of Russians live in abject poverty, The ones that work earn on average $11,000,( this is per capita). This makes Russians 52nd in the world when it comes to yearly individual income,

    Now Nikita Russian’s pay the same as people in the west for basics like food, electrical goods,furnishings ect, rent is on average cheaper,Please Nikita tell me if you could raise a family (bearing in mind the cost of raising children) on $11,000 per year.Because if I earned this poultry sum I would struggle to keep myself.
    And probably this is the reason Russians are not having children.

    • According to his own figures, those 18 % live on $38 per month, which is just above one dollar a day. That’s astonishingly low and is at the level of the poorest countries in the world such as Haiti, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan or Congo. And that’s close to a fifth of population! I wonder if another 25 % lives on $2 a day

      And yet, even facing this evidence, all these Russophiles insist that Russia is a great country.

      Even by averaging it out, they are 52nd, as you pointed out, yet cling to the delusion that they are among top 8

      • Sorry, RV, but there’s no empirical way to measure greatness. It certaintly isn’t measured by per capita income.

        For example, the US is 8th in the world by PCI, but at the same time, it is a morally corrupt nation with a government hijacked by powerful, monied interests. There are millions of people who have no ascess to quality medical care because predatory insurance companies keep them out of the system. The nation pursues a confrontatinal, aggressive foreign policy while claiming to uphold sacred values like representative government and human rights. It has propped up authoritarian governments in the past and continues to do so as we speak, in contempt of everything it claims to stand for. Large swathes of the population are gripped by a very medieval religious fundametalism, such that they oppose elementary political rights for minority groups and abortion and are willing to follow dubious political leaders that claim to speak with god and frequently say phrases like ” I am the decider,” and incite crusades against other religions. All in all not a great country.

        Venezuela, on the other hand, has a vibrant social democracy, an accountable government with heavy popular support, and people who regularly say that they experience high political efficacy. It has an independent media and a strong economic elite, who hold power in large swathes of the country (e.g. the mayor of Caracas is an opposition figure) and are allowed to say and do whatever they want (to the point that several television and radio stations advocate the assasination of chavez) The nation has been using it’s substantial oil revenues to lift millions out of poverty and has set up a network of free medical clinics in the poorest of areas. It’s a nation that can legitimately look into the future with hope, by all means a great nation. All while being 85 on the list of per capita income.

        Russophiles, or on other words, all those who don’t hate Russia with blind hatred, recognize that Russia is a great country becuse of it’s language, its art, it’s literature, it’s music, it’s athletic talent, it’s history, it’s central contibution to the victory in World War 2, it’s size, the diversity of its people, it’s space program and a multitude of other things that might be hard to see when you make a habit of not exposing yourself to facts.

        • The country where 18% of population live on a dollar a day cannot be called a great country, even if she used to have Tchaikovsky and Tolstoy among her residents. It does not belong to the G-8 either.

          I may add that it is not only not a great country but a despicable one if she is allowing millions of people to remain at practically a starvation level while building palaces and wasting billions on Olympics

      • For example, Russia is 52nd in the world by PCI, but at the same time, it is a morally corrupt nation with a government hijacked by the ex-KGB mafiya. There are millions of people who have no ascess to quality medical care because predatory oil and gas companies keep them out of the system, and there were hundreds of thousands of people who had no medical care at all while their own government carpet bombed them as recently as within the last decade. The nation pursues a confrontatinal, aggressive foreign policy while claiming to uphold sacred values like representative government and human rights, like for example invading a neighbour country falsely claiming they do this to stop “genocide”. It has propped up totalitarian governments in the past and continues to do so as we speak, in contempt of everything it claims to stand for. Large swathes of the population are gripped by a very medieval religious fundametalism, such that they oppose elementary political rights for minority groups (and so they support their government when it rounds said minority groups into the “filtration” camps) while abortion kills their country and are willing to follow dubious political leaders that claim to speak with god (like Kirill) and frequently say phrases like ”waste them all in the outhouses,” (prime president) and incite crusades (and jihads) against other religions. All in all not a great country.

        Georgia, on the other hand, has a vibrant social democracy, an accountable government with heavy popular support, and people who regularly say that they experience high political efficacy. It has an independent media and a strong economic elite, who hold power in large swathes of the country (e.g. the mayor of Sukhumi is an opposition figure) and are allowed to say and do whatever they want (to the point that several television and radio stations advocate the assasination of saka) The nation hasn’t any substantial oil revenues to lift millions out of poverty and to set up a network of free medical clinics in the poorest of areas. It’s a nation that can legitimately look into the future with hope, by all means a great nation. All while being 107th on the list of per capita income.

        Normal people, or on other words, all those who don’t hate the United States with blind hatred, recognize that the US is a great country becuse of it’s language, its art, it’s literature, it’s music, it’s athletic talent, it’s history, it’s central contibution to the victory in World War 2, it’s size, the diversity of its people, it’s space program and a multitude of other things that might be hard to see when you make a habit of not exposing yourself to facts.


        • Please, a list of totalitarian regimes that we prop up, if you can. I’m terribly interested. lolz
          Also, I’d like you to give me an approximate idea of where “filtration” camp are (really, are you that short on dirt ?) lolz
          Also, elaborate on the crusades that we’re waging on other religions. lolz

          Georgia, a country where the “president” was brought to power throught a foreign-organized revolution, an insulated governement with support in the single digits and a people who stand out in the streets in their hundereds of thousands to protest the excesses of Saka’s regime.
          It has a media muzzled by state security forces and several flashy TV channels that spout the party line (e.g.
          masked men with guns make a habit of rushing into opposition television stations like Imedi, halting broadcasts, smashing equipment, and wiping harddrives) and a powerful economic elite, which pervades the government and allows not a single opposition figure into any significant governemnt position.

          [Sukhumi, incidentally, is not a part of Georgia, and thus has no place in this paragraph.]

          The authoritarian, UN-ELECTED, leader of this country makes a habit of sending his thugs to attack and beat his own citizens when they exercise thier right to free speech.

          Highly Enlightening :

          2:39 – 2:50

          • @Please, a list of totalitarian regimes that we prop up, if you can. I’m terribly interested. lolz

            Sudan, North Korea, Burma. lolz

            @Also, I’d like you to give me an approximate idea of where “filtration” camp are (really, are you that short on dirt ?) lolz

            http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,HRW,,RUS,3ae6a8750,0.html lolz

            • Do tell me how exactly we prop up regimes in Sudan, Burma, North Korea. We must be doing through the force of our will, becuse we don’t have our intelligence operatives infilrating their governmet, we don’t provide them with weapons, we don’t train their secret police, we have no meaningful trade with any of these countries. That’s it, we’re supporting them with that reach extender that one gets at the dollar store. lolz

              Meanwhile, I’ll provide you with a list of ones the west has supported: Diem’s Vietnam, Pinochet’s Chile, Batista’s Cuba, Noriegas Panama, Razah Pahlavi’s Iran, Ferdinand Marcoses Philipines, Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, Yushenko’s Ukraine, Sakashvili’s Georgia, Checku’s Kosovo.

              By the way, excelent use of a decade old article to defend one of your more ludicrous claims- i.e. filtration camps. lolz

              • @we don’t provide them with weapons

                Let’s see just Sudan. For example,


                Tell me: Are you really living in a make-believe world, or do you simply think that we are ignorant and just denial would be enough?

                @Meanwhile, I’ll provide you with a list of ones the west has supported: Diem’s Vietnam, Pinochet’s Chile, Batista’s Cuba, Noriegas Panama, Razah Pahlavi’s Iran, Ferdinand Marcoses Philipines, Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, Yushenko’s Ukraine, Sakashvili’s Georgia, Checku’s Kosovo.

                Meanwhile, I’ll provide you with an incomplete list of ones “the east” (haha – OK, the USSR) has supported: Hitler’s Germany, Mao’s China, Kim’s Korea, Ho’s Vietnam, Derg’s Ethiopia, Amin’s Uganda, Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, Bierut’s Poland, Castro’s Cuba, Saddam’s Iraq (much more and never went to war against him), Gaddafi’s Libya, Assad’s Syria, Ceausescu’s Romania, Amin’s Afghanistan (oh yeah, another Amin – that is until the KGB commandos killed him, than the other puppets)… completely puppet regimes in Hungary and Czechoslovakia after deposing the reformist communist leaders (and sometimes executing them)… Laos, Nicaragua, East Germany, Albania, Bulgaria, Mongolia, well I guess I’ll stop already.

                @By the way, excelent use of a decade old article to defend one of your more ludicrous claims- i.e. filtration camps. lolz

                OK, my jaw just dropped. Excuse me? Are you, really, THIS stupid?

                Oh wait, I think already know. Well, I guess it means I’ve got to say good-bye to you, and welcome to my ignore list.

              • Some more about Russian weapons supplies to Sudan (in violation of UN sanctions one might add)

                “The ongoing crisis in marginalized parts of Sudan such as the Darfur and Nuba Mountains regions is fueled by both the sale of arms and the need for natural resources. Chinas need for oil and China and Russias arms sales to the Sudanese government has provided the financial backing for chronic conflict in the aforementioned marginalized regions. Russia and China are two major trading partners of the Sudan. According to a 2003 Human Rights Watch report China buys 70 percent of Sudans oil and it has helped finance weapons manufacturing facilities in Sudan.” “In 2005, China sold arms and ammunition worth $26 million to Sudan along with spare parts worth $66 million for military aircraft. During that same year Russia sold helicopter gun ships worth almost $15 million to the Khartoum regime and in 2001 Russian-Sudan commercial interests resulted in Russian oil companies drilling for oil on Sudanese soil.

                A most recent report written by Amnesty International has alleged that both Russia and China violated a UN arms embargo that was expanded in 2005 because of the Darfur conflict that had been brewing since 2003 by supplying arms and military equipment to the Sudan. The report by Amnesty International indicates that the military equipment sold by both Russia and China was used by the Sudanese government to destroy villages in the marginalized regions of the Sudan. The accusations made by the human rights group against China and Russia followed a United Nations report that asserted that the Sudanese government disguised planes used to attack African villages in the Darfur by painting them white to resemble UN aircraft. As a result of this, the United States and the United Kingdom are pursuing tougher sanctions against the Khartoum government. Tougher sanctions include the expansion of the 2005 arms embargo, the imposition of travel and financial restrictions on Sudanese officials that are said to have committed human rights violations in Darfur and in other marginalized communities in Sudan and the institution of an international no-fly zone over Darfur. The US, France and the UK also support the International Criminal Court arrest warrants against high ranking Sudanese officials that have committed human rights violations. Both Russia and China have strongly objected to these initiatives made by the US, UK and other nations to hold the Sudanese government accountable for its unconscionable actions towards its own people.


                Russia, a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, has sold Sudan “33 new military aircraft since 2004, and has reportedly provided training, advisers and pilots for Russian aircraft in the Sudanese air force,” according to the report.

                “Some Russian pilots have reportedly flown missions over Darfur,” the group added.


                Darfour watch: China, Russia still supplying weapons used in attacks

                Wednesday, May 9, 2007

                LONDON — Despite international sanctions, China, Russia and Arab states continue to supply weapons to Sudan.

                The London-based Amnesty International said the Sudanese military was acquiring and deploying weapons against civilians in the war-torn province of Darfour, according to Middle East Newsline.
                “Arms supplied to Sudan from China and Russia have been used for violations of the Security Council’s own mandatory arms embargo,” the 24-page report said.

                In 2005, the United Nations imposed an arms embargo on Sudan. China and Russia are permanent members of the UN Security Council.

                Amnesty published photographs of Russian and Chinese combat aircraft said to have been stationed at Nyala airport in Darfour. The report said the photographs of the Chinese-origin Fantam fighter-bomber and Russian-origin Antonov air transport were taken in 2007.

                The Antonov has been used by the Sudanese Air Force to bomb areas in Darfour as well as in neighboring Chad. Amnesty said Russia exported $21 million in fixed-wing aircraft and $13.7 million in helicopters during 2005.

                Sudan has also been using the Russian-origin Mi-24 attack helicopter in missions in Darfour, the report said.

                Amnesty said China supplied Sudan with $24 million worth of weapons and munitions, $57 million in aircraft equipment and $2 million in helicopter and aircraft parts in 2005. The report said Chia’s AviChina Industry and Technology delivered six K-8 air trainers and light attack aircraft to the Sudanese Air Force. An additional six K-8s — also manufactured in neighboring Egypt — were expected to follow.

                “The K-8S is widely used as a basic training jet for fighter pilots,” Amnesty said. “Some of the Sudanese Air Force fighter pilots will eventually graduate onto the NAMC Q-5 Fantan after undergoing basic training on the K-8S,” the report said.

                The report also said Belarus, Egypt, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have also supplied weapons to Sudan. In June 2006, Belarus and Sudan signed a military cooperation protocol — three years after Belarus exported nine BMP-2 military vehicles, 39 BRDM 2 military vehicles and 32 122 mm guns to Khartoum.

                In 2005, Iran exported arms and ammunition worth more than $650,000 to Sudan. In November 2006, the report said, Kuwait discussed military cooperation with Khartoum.

                “According to the data from Sudan, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates were sources of small quantities of arms to Sudan in 2005,” the report said.

                “It is not know whether aircraft exports from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates included military or dual-use aircraft.”


                • @Russia, a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, has sold Sudan “33 new military aircraft since 2004, and has reportedly provided training, advisers and pilots for Russian aircraft in the Sudanese air force,” according to the report.

                  May 26, 2008 (WASHINGTON) — A MIG-29 fighter jet was shot down killing its Russian pilot during the Darfur rebel assault on the Sudanese capital earlier this month, a Russian radio station said today.

                  The independent Russian radio station Ekho Moskvy quoted a man by the name of Vladimir as saying that a colleague of his in Sudan told him that “a flight instructor flying a MIG-29 was shot down from a large-caliber machine-gun during this fighting [Darfur rebel attack]”.


                  Vladimir said the slain pilot was a flight instructor training the Sudanese pilots on flying the MIG-29 fighter jets. In 2004 Khartoum said that Moscow supplied them with a dozen MIG-29’s.

                  The report by the Russian radio comes almost two weeks after Sudanese authorities closed down the Arabic language Alwan newspaper for publishing news on a Russian fighter jet and its Russian pilot, who went missing after the attack by JEM.

              • Burma

                Russian Mine to Supply Uranium to Junta?
                By KHUN CHAN KHE Thursday, July 9, 2009


                Much less attention, however, has been paid to the obstacle posed by Russia. Like China, Russia has a permanent seat on the Security Council and also blocked a 2007 UN draft resolution that would have applied enormous pressure on the regime. Russia also has interests in Burma’s natural resources, and perhaps in cooperating with the regime’s increasingly public nuclear ambitions.

                Since 2006, I have been monitoring an iron ore mining project unfolding around my village in a remote ethnic Pa-O area in war torn Shan State, led by the state-owned Russian company Tyazhpromexport.

                The company has invested upwards of US$150 million and is constructing an iron processing plant only 10 kilometers from the Burmese Army’s Eastern Command. This command is responsible for fighting in several areas of Shan State, and Burmese army soldiers have raped, beaten, mutilated, tortured and murdered civilians in their ongoing suppression of ethnic minorities. I, my colleagues, and other organizations have documented these abuses.


                However, there is an even more serious aspect to this operation. In May 2007, one year after Tyazhpromexport declared its involvement in the iron ore project, Russia’s atomic energy agency Rosatom announced that it had reached a deal for cooperation with the Burmese regime on a nuclear program. No further information about this nuclear cooperation has been made public, but suspicions are rife that it is linked to the Hopone Valley mining project.

                Local people in my community are worried. Uranium occurs naturally alongside iron ore and the military regime’s Ministry of Energy has acknowledged the existence of uranium deposits in Burma. Extreme travel restrictions have been imposed against local people by the Burma Army around the iron project, and there has been an almost complete lack of public information about the project, to a degree unusual even for the reclusive Burmese regime. Local villagers have quietly heard from staff insiders that the factory will be used to process both iron and uranium.

                The Burmese regime’s nuclear ambitions are no secret. For years it has been sending students to Russia to study nuclear technology, and it has normalized relations with North Korea, the world’s problem child playing with nuclear arms, despite a problematic history between the two nations. Recently, The US tracked a North Korean ship that was thought to be headed for Burma’s shores with arms and ammunitions, in violation of a UN Security resolution against Pyongyang. The vessel turned around and returned to North Korea.

                Japanese authorities arrested three men in June for allegedly attempting to send weapons-making technology to Burma at the behest of North Korean agents, and photos have been distributed showing an intricate tunnel system throughout Burma being constructed with North Korea’s help.


                A May 2009 report by the International Human Rights Clinic at Harvard Law School, “Crimes in Burma”, reviewed United Nations human rights reports for several years and concluded that human rights abuses are widespread, systematic, and part of state policy. The report, endorsed by five eminent international jurists, cited cases of forced relocation, sexual violence, extrajudicial killings, and torture. It similarly called for a commission of inquiry to be established by the Security Council to investigate potential crimes against humanity and war crimes in Burma.

                Human Rights Watch said an arms embargo could stop the supply of weapons, military assistance, and technology that enable continued attacks against civilians in ethnic conflict areas. China and Russia, both of whom supply weapons to Burma, are the military government’s main diplomatic supporters and continue to block stronger international action against the ruling junta.

                On August 13, the UN Security Council issued a weak press statement on Burma that both “reiterate[s] the importance of the release of all political prisoners,” but also affirms Security Council members’ “commitment to the sovereignty and territorial integrity” of Burma.

                “The UN Security Council should end its inaction and authorize a commission of inquiry into human rights abuses and enforce an arms embargo,” said Adams. “This will not happen unless China and Russia stop protecting Burma’s generals.”


          • @[Sukhumi, incidentally, is not a part of Georgia, and thus has no place in this paragraph.]

            Click to access georgia.pdf

          • Actually Nikita, the current government of Georgia (and Saakashvili in particular) enjoy a popularity rating of around 67%, and a recent opinion poll showed that 60% of respondents would prefer Saakashvili to stand for a 3rd term.
            He, however, has stated that he will not change the constitution and will stand down from politics when his second term finishes in 2013.

            Dictatorial/Authoritarian governments supported by Russia?

            Burma/Myanmar, Sudan, Sri Lanka, North Korea, Iran, Syria, the Separatist administrations of Transdenistr, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia.

            In all of the above, Russia has assisited in the ethnic cleansing of minorities (and in the case of Abkhazia the ethnic cleansing of the majority), supplied weapons, instructors and even appointed its own security service personnell as ministers in government in the case of the last 3.

            Try again Nikita

            As for beating of protesters, well obviously being the juevinile that you are, and living in a state that has no free tv news media you have missed the OMON and militia beating opposition protesters on a frequent basis.

            • Nice map. If you look carefully, you might see the border between Georgia and the sovereign nation of Abkhazia. Suhkumi, if you had no idea, is the capital of that nation.

              • Actually Nikita, if you learn to read you might notice that the border you mention is noted in the map key as:

                “Autonomous Republic Boundary” (ie Autonomous region WITHIN Georgia, like Adjara)

                This is as opposed to the border with Russia which is an “International Boundary”

                Something tells me someone with your limited intelligence will have trouble at university, however since you are going to a Russian sham university you can always pay your way through rather than have to do any work.

                I guess thats why you are a Putinist and supporter of a corrupt regime.

                • Yep, I could do it how they do it in Ivy League schools, and just pay my way through. But you see, I Russia, the only one’s who pay their way through college are the children of diplomats, industrialists, and the like. Sorry to dissapoint you, but in Russia the majority of people take education seriously, unlike in the US. Then again, never having been to Russia, you would not know that, meaning that you are perfectly qualified to comment on it. lolz

                  Yep, I live in a state where you can freely access Novaya Gazeta, which heavily covers the sham “opposition.” At the same time, you can, in my state, access BBC, SKY NEWS and any other Western propaganda medium. So much for having no acess to free TV media. And really ? Really ? Don’t undignify this site even more by posting Kasparov all over the place. The agent-provocateur in chief is simply doing the job assigned to him by the State Department or whichever republican think tank he works for these days. Don’t use his to try to push throught your argument.

                  An excerpt of an insightful article by Mike Whitney on Counter-Punch.com
                  On Sunday, while Putin’s party “United Russia” was screeching to a landslide victory, Reuters News was busy taking mug-shots of the stony-faced Kasparov holding up Florida-style ballots claiming the voting was rigged. “They are not just rigging the vote,” Kasparov moaned, “They are raping the whole electoral system. These elections are a reminder of Soviet elections when there was no choice…..Putin is going to have a hard time trying to rule like Stalin.”
                  Stalin? So now Putin is Stalin? First of all, when did Reuters begin to take such a keen interest in voting irregularities? It must be a recent development, becuase they were nowhere to be found in the 2000 presidential election. And when did they start to pay attention to “political dissent”? They certainly never wasted any video-footage on the antiwar rallies in the US. Are we to believe that they are more interested in democracy in Russia than America?
                  And why is Reuters so eager to provide valuable column-space to a washed-up chessmaster who’s only interested in making a nuisance of himself by bellyaching about voter fraud? That’s not news; it’s propaganda.
                  As for Kasparov and his silly accusations; he should be glad that he lives in Putin’s Russia rather than Stalin’s or he’d be in leg-irons right now boarding a northbound train to the Siberian outback.
                  What is Kasparov doing in Moscow anyway? And why is this little man –with virtually no political base — such a big part of the western media narrative? Is he only there to discredit the election and throw a little more muck on Putin or is there more to it than that?
                  Garry Kasparov should give up politics and do what he does best; stand-up comedy. Watching Kasparov traipse around Moscow with his basket of sour grapes and his entourage of western media-stooges is like watching “Mr. Bean’s Excellent Kremlin Adventure”, a particularly lame performance in a dismal B-rated burlesque. It’s painful to watch.
                  Kasparov’s party, the “Other Russia” couldn’t manage even a 2 per cent rating in the polls. The party is a complete dud. In fact, Reuters even (reluctantly) admits as much in its article.
                  Here’s the clip. Reuters: “Kasparov and his “Other Russia” dissident movement are not standing in Sunday’s parliamentary election because they could not get registered as a party. THEY ENJOY LITTLE PUBLIC SUPPORT AMONG RUSSIANS BUT HAVE A BIG FOLLOWING IN THE WEST.” (Reuters) “Big following in the West”? Why doesn’t that surprise me?
                  So, in other words, Kasparov has no base of support in Russia, and yet he gets his own camera crew and media team to follow him around recording every silly thing he says. That’s just great. Who do they think he is; Nelson Mandela?
                  Kasparov is a contributing editor of Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal; so he already has a regular platform for launching his tirades on the “tyrannical” Mr. Putin. Normally, one doesn’t get a spot on the op-ed page of the WSJ unless their politics are somewhere to the right of Augusto Pinochet. That’s probably the case with Kasparov, too. In Saturday’s edition of the WSJ, Kasparov delivered his latest absurd soliloquy disparaging Putin and recounting his agonizing 5 day ordeal in the Moscow poky.
                  Although Kasparov has garnered little public support in Russia, he appears to have a loyal following among the Washington elite. According to Wikipedia: “In 1991, Kasparov received the Keeper of the Flame award from the Center for Security Policy (a US think tank), for anti-Communist resistance and the propagation of democracy. Kasparov was an exceptional recipient since the award is given to “individuals for devoting their public careers to the defense of the United States and American values around the world”. Hmmmm….”For devoting their public careers to the defense of the United States and American values around the world”? Isn’t that a definition of an American agent?
                  Again, according to Wikipedia: In April, 2007 it was asserted that Kasparov was a board member of the National Security Advisory Council of the Center for Security Policy, a non-profit, non-partisan national security organization that specializes in identifying policies, actions, and resource needs that are vital to American security”. Kasparov confirmed this and added that he was removed shortly after he became aware of it. He noted that HE DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THE MEMBERSHIP and suggested he was included in the board by an accident because he received the 1991 Keeper of the Flame award from this organization. But Kasparov maintained his association with the neoconservative leadership by giving speeches at think tanks such as the Hoover Institute.”
                  Here’s a list of some of the other fellow travelers who’ve been given the “Keeper of the Flame Award”: 2007-Senator Joe Lieberman. 2004-General Peter Pace. 2003- Paul Wolfowitz. 2002- General Richard Meyers. 1998-Donald Rumsfeld. 1996-Newt Gingrich. 1995-Ronald Reagan. 1990-Casper Weinberger.
                  Is Kasparov an anomaly or does he fit right in with this coven of far-right loonies? And who are some of the prominent members of the Center for Security Policy? Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Frank Gaffney, James Roche and Laura Ingraham. Oh, boy. The whole front office of the neocon’s cuckoo’s nest. Now tell me, dear reader, with friends like that; what should we really think about Kasparov’s performance in Moscow? Is he really interested in “democracy promotion” as he claims or is their acting out a script that was prepared in Washington?
                  In the US, Kasparov has become the focal point of the Russian elections – the primary source of “unbiased” analysis. NPR reiterates his spurious claims every half hour. The other news agencies are no better. He has become the distorted lens through which Americans view Russian democracy. This says a lot more about the choke-hold the neocons still have on the media rather than anything objective about Russia. The Kasparov fiasco gives us a chance to see the inner-workings of the establishment media. It’s nothing more than a propaganda bullhorn for far-right organizations executing their bloody imperial strategy. Fidel Castro summed it up best just days ago when he said: “It is the most sophisticated media ever developed by technology, employed to kill human beings and to subjugate or exterminate peoples”.
                  Amen to that, Fidel.

                  • Sorry Nikita, but (and I’m not American BTW) Russian universities are well known for their corruption and poor teaching as a result.

                    This is widely documented, however this is not the case in western universities by any means.

                    For example:

                    “Nadejda Sledneva, a TRACE Due Diligence Manager, was raised in Russia and continues to follow bribery trends there. Nadejda contributed this blog entry on a subject of growing concern to Russian families and employers.

                    * * *

                    While the Soviet Union existed, bribery in higher education was not as common as it is today. When bribery did take place, people were more likely to ask for favors than for money.

                    Corruption occurred less frequently because anti-bribery laws were strictly enforced. For economic crimes, punishment was severe. In addition, all academic institutions were public; private education didn’t exist at that time. Free tuition was offered for many disciplines, including law and medical schools. Free and accessible public education meant relatively low corruption levels during this time.

                    After the fall of the Soviet Union, corruption became more prevalent. Two factors that contributed to the spread of corruption in higher education were low salaries, in some cases unpaid for several months due to the budget deficit, and lower ethical standards in academia. Inefficient law enforcement during the 1990s, along with poor facilities, inadequate financing, and meager salaries created a fertile environment for bribery.

                    Another contributing factor to increasing corruption was the trend toward students having to pay their tuition in full due to erosion of government support for higher education. Today, only the best students in public universities are entitled to free education. Russian universities historically had competitive examinations to ensure that the best and the brightest would get free higher education.

                    However, the situation began to change a few years ago. Currently, most Russian universities must base their admission decisions on results of the State Standardized Test (EGE). This common standard of testing, similar to the SAT in the United States, was created in an attempt to make access to the best universities easier for bright students and to reduce bribery associated with admission to public universities. Despite this improvement, students pay bribes for admission, competitive exams, tests, papers, etc. Some professors are even failing good students in effort to extort bribes.

                    Corruption in higher education also afflicts academic institutions themselves: universities sometimes have to bribe officials to get an accreditation from the ministry of education, and university employees in charge of procurement accept kick-backs from suppliers.

                    It is hard to predict what we’ll see next in this field. Both former President Putin and current President Medvedev have announced that high quality education and training of the new generation of Russian scientists is a top priority. Changes have been made to the budget, with more government spending diverted to education. However, government spending for education is still much less than that of leading economies.

                    Inadequate financing of higher education has caused a crisis in the field of human resources. Currently, the average age of a professor at a Russian university is 60-70 years. Smart students prefer more lucrative careers in business to careers in academic and scientific institutions. Many of those who want to pursue careers in academia move abroad, attracted by higher salaries and better research facilities.

                    Despite the recent Russian anti-bribery initiatives undertaken by President Medvedev, bribery in institutions of higher education continues unabated. If no immediate measures are taken, it will soon be difficult to know whether the talent pool in Russia has earned – or purchased – its credentials.


                  • In Russia, however, there is an even more pernicious wave rippling through the higher education system. Many academics have been pressured to join United Russia and in the worst cases have been jailed for allegedly spying. It appears that Russia has used the imprisonment of arms researcher Igor Sutiagin to intimidate other academics and researchers who are involved in sensitive sectors. The education system in Russia has also fallen prey to the political cycle, where administrators and students are pressed into “duty” on behalf of dominant political powers.

                    More troubling in the longer term is the fact that students in the school setting are acculturated to institutionalized corruption in their formative years, shaping attitudes and perspectives as these young people move from the academic to the professional world. Breaking the mold afterwards becomes all the more difficult.


              • Though perhaps you recognise the independance of Chechnya, Ingushetia, Daghestan etc?

                After all they have the same sort of borders when shown on the map of the Russian federation…..

                • I will, as soon as you recognise the independence of California, Maine, or North Dakota.

                  • Better yet, lets do it this way. We an our allies will undertake a massive campaign dedicated to dismantling your country by sponsoring terrorists and criminals from abroad to sneak into different states, incite ethnic hatreds and violence. When these region erupts in all out war and federal forces intervene, We’ll continue sponsoring militants and provide them safe passage into your country so that they will continue thier dirty work. Meanwhile, we’ll use media networks and the press to accuse you of ethnic cleansing and indisriminate warfare. After all of this is done, we will ask you to recognize the independence of those states.

                    • Ah, well you actually do that the Georgia, Moldovia, and then there is the sponsoring of terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hizbollah by Russia.

                      Thanks for your excellent description of the way that Russia behaves.

                      BTW, Russia did commit ethnic cleansing and indiscriminate warfare in Georgia (both in the early 90’s and in 2008), Moldova, and of course lets not forget Chechnya.

                    • Sorry for the typo.

                      It should read

                      “Actually you do that in the former soviet reupblics of Georgia and Moldovia”.

                      Face it Nikita, Russia is an excellent example of a neo fascist state, a major threat to nieghboring states, a nation led by war criminals who have caused untold suffering in the north and south Caucasus (not surprising considering your leaders are the successors of the Gulag guards), who deliberately and with malice commit ethnic cleansing and supply weapons to other governments who act in the same way.

                      The usual tired old cliche’s about Chechen “terrorists” being funded and armed from overseas are just BS, look in the mirror for why they hate you.

                      200 years of opression and murder by the Russian state.

                      Given your approval of this behaviour let me ask, are you a Nashi member?

                    • @We an our allies will undertake a massive campaign dedicated to dismantling your country by sponsoring terrorists and criminals from abroad to sneak into different states, incite ethnic hatreds and violence. When these region erupts in all out war and federal forces intervene, We’ll continue sponsoring militants and provide them safe passage into your country so that they will continue thier dirty work. Meanwhile, we’ll use media networks and the press to accuse you of ethnic cleansing and indisriminate warfare. After all of this is done, we will ask you to recognize the independence of those states.

                      “Will”? It’s already done: “massive campaign” of “dismantling your country”, “sponsoring terrorists and criminals from abroad to sneak into different states” (various volunteers and semi-regular mercenaries), “incite ethnic hatreds and violence”, and when “federal forces intervene” “continue sponsoring militants and provide them safe passage into your country so that they will continue thier dirty work” (heck, how anbout even invading with regular forces?), “we’ll use media networks and the press to accuse you of ethnic cleansing and indisriminate warfare” (only this? how about accusations of “genocide”, personally by the Putvedev duo?), and then, “After all of this is done, we will ask you to recognize the independence of those states.” – all of should be in past tense. Or maybe you somehow just didn’t notice or already forgot?

                      And yes, Andrew is from Georgia. So bingo.

              • @Nice map. If you look carefully, you might see the border between Georgia and the sovereign nation of Abkhazia. Suhkumi, if you had no idea, is the capital of that nation.

                If you look carefully, you can see also “the border between Georgia and the sovereign nation of Ajaria”.

                And the lack of “the border between Georgia and the sovereign nation of South Ossetia” too. Well, lack of any “South Ossetia” at all, as there’s no such autonomous region in Georgia.

                The capital of that nation is Tbilisi – and as capital it is of course bolded-out on the UN map, with the star symbol.

                I guess you have skipped some geography lessons, but I hope you’re educated now.

    • Oooh. You are sad little man. Sorry to dissapoint you, but I do live in Russia, as much as you may not like that. My father is an anesthesiologist at the Sklifosovsky Medical Center, while my mother operates a custom framing shop in eastern Moscow. I’m about to start university next year. We make about 86,000 rubles annually.
      It does not of course surprise me that you are using old data to back up you claim. The current per capita income has gone up somewhat to a average of $14,200 as of 2009. Med students working at my fathers hospital are paid an average of $15,000 . Several whom we know personally have families and some have children. Needless to say, they do not live like kings, but they are able to support, feed, clothe their family.

      This is all important because your whole charade focuses on the patently false assertion that we in Russia pay the same for food, furnishings, electronics and consumer goods as you do in the west. Luckily, I have a perspective on the issue that you don’t have. We lived in the US for 5 years before our long-awaited return to the motherland. Let’s dismantle your claim. We pay more for electronics, right ? A Vizio 55″ Class 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV sold in Wal-mart retails for $1,198. The same model retails for $872 in our local electronics store. Food is one of the greatest expenses of any family, regardless. A simple, unremarkable loaf of bread in a rank and file grocery store in moscow costs an average 0.75 cents in dollar equavalent terms. The same product in a number of US grovery stores costs anywhere from $1.39 to $2.30. And these of course are Moscow prices. As you understand, there is a giant price gap between Moscow and the rest of the country. Consumer goods, food and other goods cost less with every kilometer you move away from Moscow. So, western nations on average have a higher per capita income than does Russia, but their populations pay more for consumer goods. Russia, meanwhile, has a lower PCI, but pays less for consumer products. Include that in your calculus when trying to tell me how you can and can’t raise a family in Russia. If you have no idea how people live in Russia, there’s no need to extrapolate, it doesn’t help your argument. It only makes you seem uninformed.

  17. Well Nikita, you sad little girl you presume too much, you and your family are part of the 20% who are living the dream on your 80,000 roubles per year. Good for you.

    But what about the 80% who you ignore. My wife comes from Vladikavkaz, Her friend who is under manger in a kindergarten earns abut $400 per month, Her sister who makes theatrical models earns $300 per month, and let me tell you these salaries are about the average for the region, Plus I bought her sister a fridge freezer in vladikavkaz it cost $300 the same price charged in London. My wife visits her parents every year and she tell me the price for meat and fruit are the same as we pay here and she’s no liar.

    Plus thanks’ to your lousy government the health service in Russia has been torn apart, My wife’s mother had to have emergency surgery my wife rushed over there, thank god she did as the surgery had to be paid for plus my wife had to act as her nurse and pay for all the medicine and dressings, which she had to change herself, she even had to pay for the surgical gloves. The hospital had a chemist shop everything had to be paid for nothing was free; the poor devils that had no money were left to suffer.

    My wife’s brother who was suffering from terminal cancer was refused any state help in Moscow because he was not registered their, his friend had to drive him all the way back to Vladikavkaz.What a way to treat a dying man.

    I have many more horror stories to tell, and I will get round to them. When I married my wife I knew very little about Russia, But by god I know the place very well now and let me tell you I feel desperately sorry for the 80% not living the Putin dream and I have used my own resources to help quiet a few of them.

    So Nikita you keep spinning your lies and myths to the unwary, I for one don’t buy it because I have seen Russia’s rotten underbelly first hand.

    • With all our lousy U.S. medical delivery system, once you have presented yourself at the door of the emergency room of any hospital, you will be admitted and treated (provided, of course, the emergency treatment is necessary). The law prohibits the hospital from denying admission and treatment regardless of your having or not having medical insurance coverage and regardless of your ability to otherwise pay.

      Everything will be included, drugs from the pharmacy all hospitals have, dressings, services of doctors, nurses, food, etc.

      Now, in a situation like that of your brother in law, unfortunately, the result could be bad. If he did not need immediate emergency intervention, he would be sent to look for a charity or a community hospital. Many major cities have such community hospitals, but some cities do not.

  18. How can a country be considered great if it treats disabled people less than dirt? There are no words to adequately describe the appalling way in which disabled people in Russia are treated. It’s sickening.

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