EDITORIAL: Putin Punks Obama


Putin Punks Obama

IMG_5875Mista Obama, u been played.

Last week, despite much Russian ass-kissing by Barack Obama, Russia’s chief diplomat spurned not only the notion of actual sanctions against the incipient nuclear weapons program being developed by Iran, with much Russian assistance, but even the threat of such sanctions.  Soon after that, Putin himself began issuing ominous warnings about leaving Iran alone.

It was clear:  Obama had been punk’d.

It was not a good week for the American President. First he was humilated when he sought to win the Olympic Games for his home city of Chicago, then when he won a Nobel Prize that nobody on the face of the Earth believes he deserves, and then finally when Russia spit in his eye after he unilaterally cancelled the ballistic missile system for Eastern Europe as part of his now infamous effort to “reset” relations with the neo-Soviet dictatorship.

But Russia’s dictator is doing remarkably well with such a sucker for an adversary.  His lapdogs are crowing loudly about the wonderful new environment in which Russia gets much and gives nothing.  They’re happy to let Obama collect his peace prizes as long as he sells the European allies down the river and leaves Russia free to keep on pummeling its own domestic civil society, including most especially lynching two or three blacks each and ever week of the year.

We gave this man a chance, and he’s returned the favor by proving that our worst suspicions about him were not nearly bad enough.  He is this century’s Chamberlain, allowing the consolidation of a malignant totalitarian regime out of ignorance and cowardice.  He is allowing a unholy alliance to develop between a neo-Soviet secret police state and a religious freakshow committed to the destruction of Israel and America.

It is time the Republican party, and the conservative Democrats who support them, stood up to this man and demanded he reverse this treacherous course before it is too late.

33 responses to “EDITORIAL: Putin Punks Obama

  1. Charles Krauthammer in WaPO takes on the sheer folly of Obama’s Russia policy, a must read:

    Gone with the wind. It’s the United States that’s now retreating from its already flimsy position of just three weeks ago. We’re not doing sanctions now, you see. We’re back to engagement. Just as the Russians suggest….


  2. Not just Obama, whole “HOPE” government (“we don’t care about democracy or human rights, we just care about realpolitik and we HOPE the others will play around”).

    So, what next now? Jamestown Foundation:

    Kommersant quoted Michael McFaul (a senior adviser to Obama who co-chairs a new U.S.-Russia working group on civil society issues with first deputy chief of the Kremlin administration Vladislav Surkov) as saying that the U.S. “will not teach Russia democracy.”
    In a strange coincidence this week the pro-Kremlin LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky defended democracy in Russia with more passion than Clinton.
    Reagan was a shrewd politician and a winner. The present Obama policy towards Russia is more reminiscent of the cynical realpolitik of Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger that eventually ended in failure–as did the Clinton visit (today Kissinger is a friend of Putin).
    While giving noncommittal reassurances, Moscow will be waiting to see what other concessions the Obama team may offer.

    • Foreign policy is determined mostly by the political situation, not by the whimsy of Presidents. USA is currently in the same mess (only 1000 times worse) in its foreign wars as it was under Nixon (Viet Nam). The American public is even more anti-warmongering than it was at the end of the Viet Nam disaster.

      Obama is doing what he has to do and what the American public demands: put the end to imperialist ambitions, tell the Neo-Cons to shove their World Dominance ambitions up where the Sun don’t shine, and to take care of the real needs of the average American taxpayers. There is time to throw rocks, and there’s time to gather them. Since the Republican rock-throwing has led to nothing but disaster, USA will now go through a peace-loving decade.

      • 1000 times worse?

        Not by the statistics.

        Vietnam 58,159 dead;[6] 2,000 missing; 303,635 .

        Iraq 4,265 dead and 30,182 wounded.

        Grow up Michael.

        Lets compare Afghanistan shall we

        Russian (Soviet) losses 13,310 Dead
        35,478 Wounded
        311 Missing
        469,685 Sick (More like a 19th century war)

        US & Allied losses 1,384 killed.

  3. Fortunately it is too late LR. USA are defeated by they own ignorance. You have lost a chance to be a leader of the world. If you want to keep your country from disappearance you have only one way to do it – GO HOME!

    • That you are saying this even as the Islamists are clawing themselves a piece of the Caucasus while China is eying Siberia while your population is in a death spiral, I am going to have to recommend that you take your own advice.

      • Turtler,

        The Russian population is NOT in “a death spiral”. Yes, its population did decrease during the transition period from the communism, but, in terms of percentages, much less than the other European ex-USSR republics. And now the population decline is almost gone, as it is much less than in many other European countries:


        Bulgaria 0.79%
        Croatia 0.052%
        Czech Republic 0.094%
        Estonia 0.632
        Georgia 0.325
        Germany 0.053
        Italy 0.047
        Hungary 0.257
        Japan 0.191
        Latvia 0.614
        Lithuania 0.279
        Moldova 0.079
        Montenegro 0.851
        Poland 0.047
        Romania 0.147
        Russia 0.467%
        Ukraine 0.632

        Russia is less in danger of losing population than Japan, Germany and Italy

        • Now Tal, you know that Russia is in severe danger of losing its Russian identity.

          The birth rate to death rate is the worst in europe.

          Some of the smaller countries actually have much higher births than deaths but lose out to emmigration, such as Georgia.

          However the statistics from Georgia also include Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which are suffering severe emmigration due to the mismanagement and opressive regimes that the Russians have installed.

          The area of Georgia under the control of the legitimate Georgian government has shown a population increase over the last couple of years.

          As I have previously posted this information in response to your crap, I will not bother to give the link. However it is quite easy to find.

          • In addition, Russia is now reliant on immigration from former Soviet republics such as Khazakstan and other central asian states to avoid collapse, this in turn is further fueling the usual Russian xenephobia and racism.

            However Russia is facing a massive demographic time bomb. The average age of Russian women is now in the 40’s, well outside optimal child bearing age.

            For Russia, its demographic situation is rapidly approaching a disaster of biblical proportions.


            My thanks to the Financial Times’ Tony Barber for linking to this UNDP report describing Russia’s situation. As Barber points out in his own summary, it isn’t pretty.

            The report describes the stark reality of a country whose population is falling fast, to a considerable extent because of rampant alcohol abuse among men, who on average are dying before they make it to 60 years old. “Short life expectancy is the main feature of this crisis, though by no means its only feature. The birth rate is too low, the population is shrinking and ageing, and Russia is on the threshold of rapid loss of able-bodied population, which will be accompanied by a growing demographic burden per able-bodied individual. The number of potential mothers is starting to decline and the country needs to host large flows of immigrants,” the report says.

            Since 1992, the natural decrease of Russia’s population has amounted to a staggering 12.3m people. This has been compensated to some degree by the arrival of 5.7m immigrants. But many are ethnic Russians from former Soviet republics, and the source is drying up. Overall, Russia had 142m people at the start of 2008, compared with 148.6m in 1993. By 2025, the figure will almost certainly fall below 140m and could be as low as 128m.

            The implications for Russia’s economy are enormous. The authors cite forecasts from Rosstat, the national statistics agency, that Russia’s working age population will decline by 14m between now and 2025. As Vladimir Putin said three years ago when he was president, the demographic emergency is “the most acute problem facing Russia today”.

            On the subject of migration, the study’s authors point out that the supply of politically acceptable Russophones is running out. In the Baltic States, higher living standards would presumably encourage Russophones to remain in those countries or to go the wider European Union, while in Ukraine and presumably Belarus low living standards don’t compensate for the ongoing assimilation of ethnic Russians to the titular nationality, as has happened in independent Ukraine. Indeed, the authors point out that there is no reason Russia can’t become a source of emigrants, not only to a Poland that offers higher wages than Russia but to the wider European Union. As for the birth rate, the authors argue that substantial changes in everything from popular culture to government funding would be needed.


            Click to access NHDR_Russia_2008_Eng.pdf

          • Oh well, I guess I should put the figures up.

            “Without Abkhazia and South Osetia, the population in the regions controlled by the central government of Georgia was 4,321,500 in 2005 and 4,382,100 in 2008[4] (compare the 2008 figure with the CIA estimate of 4,630,841 for all of Georgia, including Abkhazia and South Osetia[5]).”


    • Not quite there yet. I suspect that it will take a couple more years before USA admits defeat and runs out of Iraq and then out of Afghanistan.

      • Ah, defeat in Iraq? Not really, besides they have already handed over operational control to the Iraqi government, or did you miss that Kapo?

        Not to mention you seem to have missed the end of major combat operations in Iraq (they have been over for a while), however it will be a while before the Russian armed islamic militants are finally hunted down by the democraticly elected Iraqi government and its military, it is just a matter of time.

  4. “Russia and India To Develop Supersonic Missile Invincible to Interception”

    … and it’s called the currybomb

  5. I wrote:
    > And now the population decline is almost gone

    Correction: not only is it gone, but it is GROWING for the first time in 15 years:


    Government measures to halt the demographic crisis was a key subject of Vladimir Putin’s 2006 state of the nation address.[13] As a result, a national programme was developed with the goal to reverse the trend by 2020.

    The population decline has continued to slow through 2008 and the first eight months of 2009 due to declining death rates and increasing birth rates, bringing population growth to near stagnation.[6][3] In September 2009, the Ministry of Health and Social Development reported that Russia recorded natural population growth for the first time in 15 years, with 1,000 more births than deaths in August.

    Notice: THERE are MORE BIRTHS than DEATHS now. If you also add that there are millions of other fellow people from the former Russian Empire (from Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Georgia, Armenia etc) who are emigrating to Russia (and tens of millions more dreaming to emigrate to Russia if allowed, the Russian population will explode in the next years. Putin is accomplishing everything he sets his mind to.

    • > In September 2009, the Ministry of Health and Social Development reported that Russia recorded natural population growth for the first time in 15 years, with 1,000 more births than deaths in August.

      I wonder how many russophobes will commit suicide upon reading this latest statistics.

      • You are assuming that it is not another case of fraud.

        After all, the ministry of the economy has been accused of falsifying its statistics.

        I see no reason why the Ministry of Health should be any different.

        “Russia has interpreted the crisis by trying to raise its birth rate. The Kremlin has invested heavily in advertising campaigns to promote family life, with placards in the Moscow Metro eulogizing children as ‘masterpieces of nature.’

        Financial benefits are offered to those who have a second child as well as benefits for housing and education. Markov argues this is not enough and that United Russia, the dominant political party created as a vehicle for Putin’s ambitions, is set to continue this trend.

        “There will be more propaganda. We need to improve the moral atmosphere in the country and will do this by attacking consumer values and promoting distinct traditional ones. We will construct more pre-schools, fight crime […] and pollution, while continuing our current efforts. Russia needs to be family friendly. In the Far East, however, there is nothing we can do to stop Chinese immigration […].”

        There are signs that the Kremlin’s attempts to raise the birth rate are working. August was the first month in which births outnumbered deaths in Russia for over a decade, and the abortion rate has continued to decline. Experts, however, were guarded on such developments, explaining how demographic trends are notoriously hard to predict and extremely volatile.

        Siberian development expert Vladislav Inozomtsev argues that the situation is not as simple as Markov suggests. He argues that Soviet-era settlements are a drain on the Russian economy and that the government would do better to treat the expanses of Siberia and the Far East as a resource frontier like Canada does its far north. He takes a different stance on Chinese migration.

        “In fact, the number of Chinese migrants has decreased significantly as life is now better in China that in these poor parts of Russia,” he tells ISN Security Watch. “The real issue is that China is buying up economic assets and Moscow is providing no alternative. Russians are now crossing into China as traders, with the problem of development the region faces being not one of demographics but endemic corruption […].”

        Gender specifics

        Where the future of Siberia and arguments over the birth rate remain largely theoretical, the first crunch point Russia will face as it adapts to a smaller population will hit in 2010-2011. There will not be enough young men to staff its conscript army to the levels deemed necessary by the Russian General Staff.

        Alexander Golts, a military expert who has been observing the Russian army since Soviet times, argues that demographics will be the establishment’s moment of truth.

        “Our leadership will have to decide what it wants to destroy in 2010-2011, either the current Russian education system that allows widespread exemptions or the current system of military recruitment,” he tells ISN Security Watch.

        However, Golts does not believe the conscription problem need be interpreted as a crisis. The rapid reaction forces, improvements in security technology and information technology allowed the military to do without their current demands for a 1 million-strong army. “In fact, they only need between 700,000 to 800,000 to control the borders of the country. They have a mentality stuck in the 1930s.”

        Life in a bottle

        Public health is also another aspect – and by far the most extreme – of Russia’s demographic crisis. Male life expectancy in Russia is below 60 years and inferior to that of, for instance, Pakistan. A recent report by the medical journal Lancet found that over half of all deaths of Russians aged between 15 and 54 since the 1991 Soviet collapse were caused by alcohol.

        Oleg Zykov founded Alcoholics Anonymous in Russia. He argues that Russia may in fact have reached a turning-point.

        “The demographic crisis is not about the birth rate (it is the same as that in Europe) but about the death rate and the state of public health. The recent proposals by President Medvedev to begin to cut access to alcohol by at-risk groups show a new stage may have been reached that will allow Russians to finally have a normal relationship to alcohol.”

        Medvedev recently brought in the first call for anti-alcohol measures since Gorbachev.

        Zykov remains despondent about their chances of radically improving male life expectancy.

        “The demographic crisis is the result of the Soviet Union and the social consequences of its collapse. Russians are a post-totalitarian society who view their lives as dependent on the state and a strong hand. Only when Russia becomes more democratic will Russians begin to take more responsibility for themselves and their health.”

        From 2010 onward, the labor force will start shrinking by over 1 million a year. The UN has urged Russia to adapt by extending male life expectancy and bringing in more immigrants. The issue is whether or not the Kremlin can afford to attack vodka sales, from which it draws large amounts of tax revenue, and if the Russian population can stomach more immigration from Ukraine and Central Asia.

        The opposition leader Vladimir Milov, from the movement Solidarity, argues that Russia’s demographic crisis can only be solved by improved governance.

        “We take a very strict line toward the Kremlin on this issue as they had such great chances to solve it and did not. The situation is improving in many ways – but we need dramatic increases in health care provision, improved road-safety, anti-narcotic and alcohol campaigns but above all more responsive state procedures. A closed political system makes this so much harder to achieve.”

        The Kremlin’s acknowledgment of the problem by calling for anti-alcohol measures and the August increase in the birth rate are green shoots in Russia’s demographic crisis, but the demographic forecast is still rather gloomy.”


        One month does not a trend make.

    • Allegedly 1,000 more people now after the loss of millions! Hallelujah! Mother Russia saved!

      Putin accomplished this, by personally impregnanting all those Muslim (aka “black”, aka “blackass”, aka “bandit and terrorist”) and also Chinese women!

      “He turned out to be quite a powerful man,” Andrei Kolesnikov, the paper’s reporter in the official Kremlin pool, quoted Putin as saying. “He raped 10 women. I never expected it from him. He surprised all of us. We all envy him.”

  6. I wish Russia does what USA is doing: allowing millions of Chinese people to immigrate. Life here in California would be much less fun if we didn’t have a huge Chinese community, who account for about 20% of the population where I live: in the Silicone Valley. Today I did my bi-weekly shopping at the huge Chinese supermarket and got wonderful fresh fruits, fish, seafood and other foods there. I’ll be back there on Tuesday (it’s next to where we play soccer).

    What is important is to make sure that the Chinese immigrants integrate into the society and their children become Russian-speakers. The biggest problem here in California is that the immigration form Mexico is so fast, that the immigrants’ children don’t speak much English, which means that in a few years, California will be a Spanish-speaking land.

  7. Economic crisis sabotages Russia’s efforts to halt falling population
    This online supplement is produced and published by Rossiyskaya Gazeta (Russia), which takes sole responsibility for the contents

    Sergei Balashov
    Published: 3:48PM BST 19 May 2009

    Russia’s efforts to put a brake on a falling population have been sabotaged by the economic crisis

    Despite all the efforts Russia took to halt depopulation, the latest UN demographic report confirms that they have fallen short of the mark. As the decline of Russia’s population accelerates, the country is set to face overwhelming social and economic problems. But there are few if any obvious answers, prompting some policymakers to reach for ever more desperate solutions.

    The United Nations’ report on human resources development in Russia offered gloomy forecasts for Russia’s population, which the report claimed would decline by some 26m to 116m by 2050. The UN report has also warned that the rapid depopulation will bring dire economic consequences.

    Russia has lost more than 12m people since depopulation started in 1992. This trend currently shows no signs of slowing down, and Russia will continue to lose people – the only question is: how quickly? An expert at the Russian Academy of Sciences Anatoly Vishnevsky painted an even gloomier picture, predicting a population of 98m for Russia in 2050.

    What is worse is that the problem affects Russia’s least populated and underdeveloped territories, particularly regions in the Far East and Siberia. Accounting for 36pc of Russia’s territory, the Far East is home to just 6.8m people. The Russian Committee for Statistics predicts that both Siberia and the Far East will each lose 11pc of population by 2025, while the number of central Russian inhabitants will go down by only 3pc.

    Even more troubling is that the number of able-bodied adults is declining faster than any other demographic category. This group is expected to absorb the bulk of the losses, declining by 14m by 2025. According to the RBC daily, in 16 years every 1,000 employed Russians are going to be providing for some 800 dependents.

    Due to the recent economic growth, these negative trends seemed to be slowly reversing over the past few years. Birth rates rose modestly thanks to increased stability, and the country became more appealing to foreign workers. Immigration was seen as a possible solution to Russia’s demographic problem, complementing the government’s increased efforts to boost birth rates and improve healthcare to fight high mortality. In 2007, there were more than 1.7m foreign workers in the country, a significant increase from a little over 1m in 2006.

    But then the financial crisis kicked in, greatly affecting the flow of labour into the country. The Federal Migration Service has already stated that labour migration declined by 27pc in the first quarter of this year. But despite the fact that it helped bring almost 6m people to the country, some experts believe that the role of migrants in combating depopulation is dubious.

    “There are two takes on migration: the first notion is that migrants will ruin the country,” said Sergei Ermakov, the head of the demographic programmes department at the Institute for Demography, Migration and Regional Development. “Everyone is afraid that Russia will get taken over by the Chinese, but that’s not going to happen. What is going to happen is that the only people to come here will be Caucasians and Middle Asians. But they will come and go; they will not assimilate simply because everything is too foreign for them over here.

    “The second notion is that migrants will save us, but that’s also not true. State programmes to encourage Russians living outside of the country to move back have failed miserably and very few people are returning. You get maybe 10,000 per year via these programmes.”

    However, migration was not seen as the only way out of the demographic quagmire. In 2006 the government introduced benefits for large families. Starting in 2007, every woman bearing a second or any consecutive child could get maternity payments, a sum that has been gradually growing every year to more than $11,000 at its peak in mid-2008.

    However, this money came with a few strings attached. It could only be spent on the child’s education, paying off a mortgage or the mother’s pension. The ruling United Russia party has been particularly proud of this initiative, crediting then-president Vladimir Putin with inventing this attempt to boost birth rates.

    However, the UN experts who prepared disagree, claiming that only 1pc of women who recently had children ascribed their decision to the financial benefits. This is because the problem of educational expenses does not come up until the child turns 16 or 17, the age at which Russians usually graduate from high school and head to higher educational institutions.

    Living conditions could also hardly be improved with this money, as even in post-crisis Moscow property costs more than $4,000 per square metre, plus raging inflation has already eaten up a good portion of the maternity bonus. Today, this sum amounts to less than $9,000.

    A woman can also only claim the money for one child, no matter how many she has after bearing the first one. Even if this maternity capital worked, it still wouldn’t be enough to recompense for the population losses.

    “Having two children won’t do it. They have to introduce the same benefits for the third, fourth, and so on,” said Ermakov. “Don’t forget that before you can send your kid to a university, you have to somehow raise them for 16 or 17 years. Yet neither the mother nor the child can spend the money they receive on healthcare.”

    EU countries spend about 2.2pc-2.4pc of the GDP to support large families, while in Russia state aid amounts to roughly 1pc.

    The one factor that should not be ignored is that the people’s attitude is also changing. Education and careers are the priorities now, and starting a family is often on the backburner, for women as much as for men. Various proposals have been championed to combat people’s unwillingness to have more children.

    Alexander Chuev, a State Duma deputy from the Just Russia party, has been campaigning for a reinstitution of the Soviet small-family tax, a 6pc income tax imposed on childless single men and married women, as well as couples that did not have children after one year of marriage.

    “The public should show more love for children, families with two or more children should get the most favourable treatment in this country,” said Evgeny Yuriev, the president of the ATON Capital Group and an expert on Russia’s demographics. “The government should adopt this attitude and act accordingly. The goal here is to change this mindset.”


  8. Since 1992, some 5.5 million immigrants have come to Russia

    And in 2006, Vladimir Putin’s government introduced a new policy to attract Russian speaking immigrants of Slavic origin into the country.

    But the director of the Centre for the Study of Population Problems, at Moscow State University, Valery Yelizarov, is wary of this policy.

    “Russians are wary of foreigners,” says Valery Yelizarov.

    “They do not like to mix with people from other cultures and faiths.

    “Now, with the financial crisis leaving millions of Russians unemployed, immigrants will be increasingly targeted by xenophobic attacks.”

    There is no easy way out for Russia as it tries to halt its population collapse, but to do nothing could bring the country to its knees and ruin any hope it has of joining the leading economies of the world


  9. Citing drastic population loss, UN report urges Russia to adapt
    Associated Press / October 5, 2009

    MOSCOW – Russia’s population has fallen by 6.6 million since 1993, despite the influx of millions of immigrants, a United Nations report said today, and by 2025 the country could lose an additional 11 million people.

    The result could be labor shortages, an aging population, and slower economic growth, the UN said.

    Recent Kremlin efforts to reward women for having more babies have caused a surge in the birth rate, the report said, but that will not make much difference in the long term.

    It urged Russia to reduce its high mortality rate – similar to that in parts of sub-Saharan Africa – through changing its public health system and by encouraging lifestyle changes – especially a reduction in alcohol consumption.

    The United Nations Development Program report, titled “Russia Facing Demographic Challenges,’’ predicted that Russia will be forced to adapt to a smaller population and work force.

    Population levels in many developed countries have stagnated and are expected to fall by 2025, but Russia’s population, currently around 142 million, has been in retreat since 1992. Russia’s mortality rate is among the highest in the developed world, with average life expectancy for males at barely 60 years.

    For reasons that are not fully understood, Russians suffer very high levels of cardiovascular disease. But most specialists blame the country’s overall high death rate on one factor, alcohol. It has been linked to everything from liver disease to Russia’s high number of murders, suicides, and fatal accidents.

    According to a 2007 UN report, what is now the Russian Federation had the world’s fourth-largest population in 1950.

    By 2007, the report said, Russia ranked ninth globally, behind Bangladesh and Nigeria. By 2050, the UN estimates, Russia will rank 15th, with a population smaller than that of Vietnam.

    An influx of immigrants over the past 16 years has helped soften the impact of Russians dying young and having fewer children.

    But the report says that many of these immigrants were ethnic Russians returning to their homeland from other former Soviet states, and that this is mostly over.


  10. > The population decline has continued to slow through 2008 and the first eight months of 2009 due to declining death rates and increasing birth rates, bringing population growth to near stagnation. In September 2009, the Ministry of Health and Social Development reported that Russia recorded natural population growth for the first time in 15 years, with 1,000 more births than deaths in August.

    Well, I didn’t expect this to happen so soon, but it is hardly surprising if we look at the demographics graph:

    It clearly shows that the graph almost stopped going down back in 2006 and went flat for 2 years. Now it is growing. The first and all higher order derivatives are positive, so, barring a war or a similar calamity, the Russian population is going to grow s a convex function, constantly accelerating.


    The number of Russians living in poverty has halved since the economic crisis following the disintegration of the Soviet Union, and the improving economy had a positive impact on the country’s low birth rate, as it rose from its lowest point at 8.27 births per 1000 people in 1999 to a rate of 12.1 per 1000 in 2008. 2007 marked the highest growth in birth rate that the country had seen in 25 years, and 2008 marked the highest total birth rate since 1991.

    At the same time, Russia experiences a constant flow of immigration. On average, 200,000 legal immigrants enter the country every year; about half are ethnic Russians from the other republics of the former Soviet Union. In addition, there are an estimated 10 million illegal immigrants from the ex-Soviet states in Russia.[20] There is a significant inflow of ethnic Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Tajiks, and Ukrainians into big Russian cities.

    Any comments from Corey or other intelligent posters?

    • My own comment: if there are 10 illegal immigrants from the fellow ex-Russian/Soviet republics (all of them perfect Russian-speakers), then the actual population of Russia is 10 million more than people think. Thus, around 152 million. So, the real population of the Russian Federation is actually larger than it was when it was in the Soviet times (a maximum of 148 million) when all migrants from the other Soviet republics, living in Russia, were counted as perfectly legal. The population of Russia is by far the greatest it has ever been in history: by 4 million higher than in 1991.

      If this trend continues, soon all residents of Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia etc will be living in Russia. Who will live there? Emigrants from Africa?

  11. Michael Tal, you’re forgetting that the vast majority of immigrants in Russia are going to Moscow or St Petersburg, the only Russian cities where the standard of living is more or less comparable to developed countries. So immigration doesn’t really help with the demographic issue, since the most affected regions are the ones where nobody would be crazy enough to immigrate anyway.

  12. For Michael Tall. You are absolutely right, But………. One year ago I wrote the same as you does – our demographic problem is not so big as they think. I wrote about many immigrants (not only in capitals) and about new generation of Russians. But then I have understood that I just loose a plenty of time trying to explaine something for Andrew, Penny, Elmer etc. They hate us, our motherland, they wish for Russia to be destroyed. So they like to read about our problems (real and unreal) and dream about our death. They are obviously mad. So I stopped to disute with thise apes and restrict myself only short comments from time to time. I advise you Michael to do the same.

    • @For Michael Tall. (…) disute with thise apes


      “I dream about your death!”


    • Michael Tal left your motherland; in spite of all its wonderful attractions, he forces himself to suffer silently (or maybe not so silently) in Northern California. So much for patriotism

  13. Yes I have made some mistakes in previous comments. 1/ Not Michael Tall but Michael Tal
    2/ Not disute but dispute
    But people as Robert have not anything to say me in essence.

    • Well, I’mR, we “people as Robert” “have not anything to say you” because we’re busy dreaming about your death.

      But worry not, my [uber]human friend. When I’ll wake up maybe I’ll “explaine” more.



    Russia looks to raise $18bn

    Russia will run budget deficits over the next three years, making policymakers nervous of becoming too complacent over public finances, which could be hit again should oil prices come under pressure.

    Russian officials will be in London early next month to gauge demand for the bonds.

  15. “As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on the same credentials.” – – Newt Gingrich

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