EDITORIAL: The Anatomy of Russian Barbarism

EDITORIAL

The Anatomy of Russian Barbarism

We’ve never before adopted somebody else’s opinion as our own. We do so today.  Everything that follows  was written by the Committee to Protect Journalists.  We do not simply agree, we adopt it as our own, and we condemn the cowardly Western leaders who have allowed this atrocity to pass virtually unnoticed, to say nothing of the craven mainstream Western journalists who are the colleagues of the oppressed heros of Russia.  At least a few major sources have covered this statement, but many others have not and none have taken the steps they should have, years ago, to stand up for their victimized brothers and sisters behind the new iron curtain.

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Only Iraq and Algeria outrank Russia on the list of most life-threatening countries for the press. Seventeen journalists have been murdered in Russia since 2000. In only one case have the killers been punished. This is a sorry record for a great and powerful nation that embarked on democratization after more than 70 years of brutal repression.

That is why the Committee to Protect Journalists is releasing an unprecedented report that calls on the international community to help reverse this slide toward lawlessness. Our mission is to protect journalists, and we are less and less able to do so in Russia. Though we continue to appeal to Russian authorities to bring to justice those who murdered our colleagues, we can no longer leave it at that. This report is more than an expression of our outrage. We propose concrete guidelines and present hard facts for restarting investigations into these unsolved murders.

Let us be perfectly plain. Any state that turns a blind eye—or worse—toward the assassination of reporters cannot call itself a democracy. When journalists are threatened, democracy itself is threatened. Along with the rule of law, an independent judiciary, and an autonomous civil society, free media is one of the essential pillars of a healthy society. Remove one, and the whole structure may collapse.

When U.S. democracy was in its earliest days, two and a half centuries ago, one of its champions, Patrick Henry, said, “The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.”

In Russia today, the rulers’ transactions are increasingly concealed from the ruled. Disturbingly, as brave and determined truth-tellers are felled by assassins’ bullets, the Russian people have responded with a collective shrug. The reason for this apathy is evident. The vast majority of Russians get only government-filtered news, so outrage at these murders has been muted. Who in Russia will be left to hold authority accountable if the truth-tellers are written off as expendable?

During the Cold War there were established rules, and reporters knew which lines not to cross, which subjects to avoid. Not so today. The 17 who have been killed in recent years covered a wide range of topics: organized crime, corporate corruption, bribe-taking among public officials, unrest in the Northern Caucasus republics (for, though the war in Chechnya has been pronounced over, in reality, bloodletting has merely relocated to its neighbors). A charade of justice followed each of these killings. Typically, authorities quickly substitute robbery or personal grudges for real motives. At times, the official response would be comic were it not for the tragic outcomes.

In Togliatti, Russia’s Detroit, investigators attributed the murder of Aleksei Sidorov, editor of Tolyattinskoye Obozreniye to a random street brawl. Sidorov, so ran the official story, was stabbed with an ice pick after he refused a stranger’s appeals for vodka. Investigators cast only the most casual glance at the murdered reporter’s notebooks, computer, and tape recorders. In this case and others, police barely interviewed witnesses. Investigators rarely visited the victims’ news organizations. These crimes are attributed to “hooligans,” and the trail suddenly goes cold. Those who actually dispatch the hit men can breathe easy. The same curtain of secrecy that shrouded the KGB now protects its successor, the Federal Security Service.

Of course, truth was in short supply during the Cold War, and those who insisted on challenging the official version of events were often dispatched to long prison terms. My own parents, Endre and Ilona Marton, the last independent media members behind the Iron Curtain, were tried and convicted on fake charges of being CIA agents, for merely doing their jobs as American wire service reporters in Budapest. There was no CPJ then to protest, or to name and shame my parents’ captors and keep the pressure up, the way CPJ did to such powerful effect recently in the case of Roxana Saberi in Iran. As in Roxana’s case, my parents’ long prison sentences were cut short, and they were freed in 1956, after a barrage of articles in The New York Times.

Few journalists have paid a higher price for their courage than those who work for Novaya Gazeta among the most vibrant and independent voices left in the dimming Russian media landscape. Imagine going to work each day passing giant portraits of your newspaper’s three star reporters—Igor Domnikov, Yuri Shchekochikhin, and Anna Politkovskaya—all murdered. We honored Novaya Gazeta’s editor, Dmitry Muratov, with our International Press Freedom Award in 2007. For the sake of Russian society, the international community must do more than heap praise on murdered reporters.

In his 2008 inaugural address, Dmitry Medvedev declared that under his presidency the protection of human rights and freedom would drive “the sense and the substance of all state policy.” In Berlin a month later, he pledged that “all instances related to attempts on the life and health of journalists will be investigated and prosecuted to the end, regardless of when they occurred.”

We at CPJ will continue to remind him of that pledge and of the fact that a great nation with a legitimate claim to leadership on the world stage must uphold the rule of law on behalf of all citizens. We need world leaders, including those in the United States and Europe, to drive home that message.

Three years ago, at a memorial service for Anna Politkovskaya, one of the bravest of the brave, I pledged that we at CPJ would not forget Anna, what she stood for, and what she gave her life for. And so we have not. But Anna’s case remains unsolved. This past February, the three defendants in her murder trial walked free. It is true the evidence presented in court against them was skimpy. Once again, the state had given the masterminds an easy pass. Only the small fry were in the dock.

Even as we at CPJ pressed for a renewed investigation, another of Anna’s colleagues at Novaya Gazeta was gunned down on a Moscow street. Twenty-five-year-old Anastasiya Baburova’s assassination has pushed reporters at Novaya Gazeta to the edge. The paper’s management has asked the government to allow its reporters to carry guns as a condition of doing their jobs—another stain on the face of a nation that the world expected would be much farther along on the road to democracy on the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall.

78 responses to “EDITORIAL: The Anatomy of Russian Barbarism

  1. I completely agree. The behavior of the western democratic leaders is sickening. You are not shaking hands with Kim Jong II, Lukashenko and Mugabe but shaking it with MUCH MUCH bigger criminals and more bloody dictator like Putin. Is this a mere “misunderstanding”? NO It is a sickening cowardliness! Obama, Merkel, Sarkozy and others YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!

    START CALLING THINGS THEIR NAMES ALREADY or it WILL be too late!

  2. The problem is that politicians like Merkel and Sarkozy are cowards.

    The spirit of appeasement is still alive and well in western capitals.

    This time they are appeasing a violent expansionist KGB mafia Russia, instead of a violent expansionist Nazi Germany.

    The same Russia which committed genocide in Chechnya, ethnic cleansing in Georgia’s regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and in Moldovia’s Transdenister region.

    The same Russia that has a centuries long tradition of mass murder, political repression, wars of agression against neighboring states has not changed one jot even to this day.

    Russians kid themselves that they are a civilised state, but to quote Arthur C Clarke “A degree of thecnological sophistication does not mean you are civilised”.

    Russia was is, and will be for the forseeable future, a barbarian state. Corrupt, nepotistic, agressive, imperialist, and reviled by its neighbors.

  3. Andrew, I don’t think that the likes of Sarkozy or Merkel are necessarily cowards. The sickeningly hypocritical attitude of Western governments that appease Russia is primarily due to cynical and ruthless self-interest (and in some cases to personal histories of particular politicians, who have business ties with Russia, or were KGB agents during the Soviet Union, as is the case with Romano Prodi). Western countries don’t feel directly threatened by Russia, and the truth is they never cared what happened to Central and Eastern Europe, which they’ve traditionally seen as a buffer zone that keeps the Russians at a safe distance. The problem is, this attitude will end up biting them in the ass, once Putin will go further and further in humiliating the Germans, the French and the Americans.

  4. It’s getting pretty obvious that the world’s thugs have got a measure of Obama as a lefty wimp. Alliances between the world’s thugs have been accelerating since Obama came into office. The Europeans have been appeasement goners for a long time.

    Wake up, Americans, this is going to have a very bad ending.

  5. penny, I don’t think being left or right-wing has anything to do with appeasing dictatorships like Russia. Bush wasn’t any better, and the likes of Berlusconi, Sarkozy and Merkel are hardly left-wing. And the root of the problem lies in the stupidity of Western governments in the aftermath of the collapse of the USSR. Instead of treating Russia like a defeated country, they were too eager to pump vast amounts of money into it without any preconditions such as democratization or demilitarization. 1991 was an enormous missed opportunity to make sure Russia would never become a threat to Europe again. Russia should have been treated like Germany after World War II: helped to recover economically, but with some strict conditions: territorial re-adjustment, demilitarization and the creation of democratic institutions.

    • It’s so very true. In 1991-onward the westerners were in the mode of absolutely blind “oh, let’s be best-friends-forever, now when the USSR is no more”, no matter the ugly reality of the Russian so-called “reforms”. And actually the Russians back then were in the mood to be REALLY reformed – remember when they fell the statue of Dzerzhinsky? But we abandoned them to a band of post-communist thieves and killers. Now we reap what we sow.

  6. Obama gives in to Putin. Putin 1 Obama 0

    According to reliable sources, Obama administration officials are on their way to Poland and the Czech Republic to deliver very bad news. The administration intends to cancel completely the missile defense sites that had been promised to these governments by the previous administration. This represents a complete capitulation to Russia’s Vladimir Putin, who had demanded that the proposed deployments be halted as a price for improved relations. Ironically, the Obama administration, which is appeasing Russia in the hopes that Moscow will help put pressure on Iran, has made this mammoth concession just a few days after Moscow declared that it had no intention of supporting sanctions against Iran.

    • Really?

      Wow, Obama seems determined to carry out his promise that he will stop US practice of invading other countries and provoking cold and hot wars, thus taking way from the US the dubious “honour” of being the biggest rogue nation.

      • Of course Phobophobe fails to mention that he is a staunch supporter of some of the most vile and repressive governments on the planet.

        After all, he thinks Russia should be able to ictate to its neighbors, commit ethnic cleansing, murder those who disagree with the KGB thugs who run Russia (his good friends by all accounts), sell conventional weapons to dictatorial and genocidal regimes in Sudan, Burma, Sri Lanka, not to mention the ethnic cleansing and racist thugs of the separatist governments in Transdenister, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh.

        He is also a denier of the rise of Neo-Nazi’s in Russia, and their infiltration of even Israel.

        I think we can safely discount anything that the vile hypocrite Phobophobe has to say.

        • And the Russian supply of advanced SAM’s and intelligence to Hisbollah, Syria, and Iran which directly threatens Israels existance also seems to get his approval, which is kind of odd considering he claims to be Jewish.

      • Now let’s see you made some typo’s that I was so kind to correct, Phobophobe. (I will say that your English is getting better.)

        Putin seems determined to carry out his promise that he will not stop the Russian practice of invading other countries and provoking cold and hot wars, thus preserving for Russia the dubious “honour” of being the biggest rogue nation.

      • One can only provoke “cold and hot wars” when one starts the slinging.

        In no case in the last two decades has this been so for the US. But for Russia?

        And as for Biggest Rogue nation, if we go by the UN’s approval, than I would eagerly agree, but on the actual, original definition of the term, I hate to tell you that you beat us out by a Siberia, those in a few decades when that slips into Chinese grasp we can compare notes again.

        • > In no case in the last two decades has this been so for the US.

          Of course not. USA is famous around th eWorld as the most peaceful and law-abiding country in the World. For example, it was Iraq that attacked USA against the international law, and it was the Iraqi Secretary of State Colin Powell who lied to the UN that USA had WMDs and was an ally of Bin Laden. :-)

          • And it was Russia that supported planned and helped execute ethnic cleansing in Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transdenister, that commits massive crimes against humanity in Chechnya, Daghestan, Ingushetia, that supports aids and abets ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity in Sudan, Burma, Sri Lanka.

            It is Russia that supplies weapons and intelligence to terrorist organisations such as Hizbollah and Hamas, that supplies weapons to the majority of the worlds dictatorships and prevents UN action against the same dictatorships for human rights abuses, it is Russia that supplies states such as Iran with nuclear and missile technology.

            The list goes on and on and on.

            The US is not perfect, but Russia (and you) are far worse.

          • Iraq has rarely directly attacked the US, and when we vet out the tiny “wetwork” ops from that list, it gets even smaller. The justification for the invasion was not that Iraq was attacking the US, but that it was in (to quote the UN itself) gross violation of international law due to its breaches of the Gulf War ceasefire, which mandated that such violations would be met by a return to hostilities. The ties to the Islamists was merely the icing on the cake.

            A full list of violations included

            * Violation of the No Fly Zones

            * Raids against Allied, Saudi, and Kuwaiti assets

            * Refusal to allow UN inspectors to examine the situation

            * Refusal to abandon all WMD programs

            * Refusal to turn over all WMD and WMD equipment,

            and the added charge that wasn’t in the ceasefire of providing aid and comfort to terrorist groups.

            Contrary to whatever your propaganda may say, each and every one of these charges was proven TRUE. Powell did not “lie” about WMD because he was using not only American intelligence, but also French, Italian, British, Israeli, Kurdish, Turkish, and Saudi sources with some Iranian and Russian (yes, you read that correctly, RUSSIAN) sources plus the UN reports plus SADDAM’S OWN RHETORIC as evidence.

            And when the invasion happened, we did indeed find WMD materials, facilities to build them, the brain trust needed, documentary evidence of their use, eyewitness testemony, several terrorist camps (including the infamous “747 camp”), and reports linking Saddam to Fatah’s armed wing and the AQ subsidiary the Army of Mhhummad.

            So you were saying?

    • Yeah, I have to confirm this news as accurate. Obama already called our prime minister to inform him about this. It is not very surprising, I guess everyone was sure this will happen when Obama was elected. But to give in missile defense in change for nothing that is really, really stupid..

    • I guess Obama “forgot Poland” because Poland has no nuclear weapons – and also because he thinks he has nothing to apologize to them for, so they can go **** themselves and also let’s piss on their war dead in Iraq and in Afghanistan.

      09/17/2009

      Poles React
      Warsaw Fears Washington Losing Interest in Eastern Allies

      By Jan Puhl

      Sept. 17 is not an auspicious date for Poland. In 1939 the Red Army marched into Poland from the east on September 17 and Hitler and Stalin divided the country between themselves. Up to today, Moscow still hasn’t issued a clear apology for the attack. Exactly 70 years after the invasion, Poland is being forced to accept another defeat: US President Barack Obama has shelved his plans to build a missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic.

      http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,649688,00.html

      • Europe reacts to Obama dropping missile defence shield

        Poland and Czech Republic ‘surprised and disappointed’ at decision that is likely to draw them closer into European Union

        ttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/17/poland-czech-missile-defence-shield

        The Americans have been pushing the two recent Nato and European Union members to take part in the controversial project since 2003. The central Europeans demonstrated loyalty, seeing the US
        as their indispensable security guarantor against a resurgent Russia.

        Now they feel let down. For two of the most Atlanticist countries in Europe, the missile shield reversal could spell the end of their love affair with America.

        “We are disappointed,” said Eugeniusz Smolar, a former head of Warsaw’s centre for international relations.

        “I’m surprised,” said Alexandr Vondra, the former Czech deputy prime minister and ambassador to Washington who led the shield project.

        “There was a phone call,” said Vondra, referring to Obama’s call late yesterday to Jan Fischer, the caretaker Czech prime minister. “He said they [the Americans] are going to change the architecture. They have to explain this.”

        (…)

        “The Americans only cared about their interests. They used everybody else,” said Lech Walesa, the former Polish president and revolutionary leader. “It wasn’t that the shield was that important, but it’s about the way, the way of treating us.”

        The signs of estrangement between eastern Europe and the US have been bubbling away for months. Since the war between Russia and Georgia last year, the former Soviet satellites have been alarmed about Russian bullying and what they perceive as the west’s reluctance to challenge the Russian prime minister, Vladimir Putin.

        (…)

        Warsaw and Prague are insisting that these elements of the deals must stand.

        “The most important thing is that the Polish military will train with the Americans on air defences,” said Smolar.

        These military assistance programmes have nothing to do with alleged threats from Iranian missiles and everything to do with the perceived threat from Russia.

        But if the central Europeans feel jilted by Obama’s Washington, they may seek the tighter embrace of the European Union.

        “There’s a very strong intention to Europeanise our security thinking,” said Smolar.

        Both the Poles and the Czechs have acquired reputations as being British-style Eurosceptics, very wary of the EU’s biggest powers, Germany and France. That could now change gradually.

        “In the light of the US U-turn,” said Vondra, “we will have to concentrate on Europe really seriously.”

      • Just like he is spitting on the dead Georgian soldiers who helped police the dangerous border between Iraq and Iran.

        I notice he is more than happy enough for Georgia, Poland etc to send extra troops to Afghanistan.

  7. “Obama seems determined to carry out his promise that he will stop US practice of invading other countries and provoking cold and hot wars, thus taking way from the US the dubious “honour” of being the biggest rogue nation.”

    Now let’s see you made some typo’s that I was so kind to correct, Phobophobe. (I will say that your English is getting better.)

    Putin seems determined to carry out his promise that he will not stop the Russian practice of invading other countries and provoking cold and hot wars, thus preserving for Russia the dubious “honour” of being the biggest rogue nation.

  8. I think we shouldn’t write off Obama just yet. He’s said some stupid things, but so far he hasn’t made any actual concessions to Russia. Let’s not forget Khrushcev took Kennedy for a wimp, and it was the thick-headed Ukrainian peasant that got screwed in the end. Let’s just hope Obama and his advisors know what they’re doing. It’s better to “talk softly and carry a big stick” than to be all bluster and cowboy talk and make concession after concession (like Bush did). Let’s hope Obama doesn’t forget the stick part.

    • Obama has no common sense. He is an ideologue and does what the radical left wants. Stop with the delusions in hoping for what you want Obama to be, and realize what he is. Giving into Fascist Putin was a mistake a sheer sign of who’s got the upper hand.

      Do you think the world will be any safer? Do you think Russia will stop sending secret shipments of weapons to Iran and Syria? Do you think Russia will now comply with UN sanctions on Iran. Do you think Russia will stop blackmailing the Ukraine and Georgia and squeezing their leaders? No, No, No. The best Obama could have gotten out of the deal is a Russian concession that they will not interfere with Israel’s strike on Iranian nuclear facilities coming in the future.

  9. Oh dear, looks like he just threw the stick away.

    Prepare yourselves for Munich 2.0

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8260230.stm

    • I guess no one told him what the date of “September 17” means for Poland.

      Or maybe rather he didn’t care? (Just like he completely ignored this open letter from several former and current “New European” leaders.)

      • September 17, A Wrong Date for Obama White House to Snub Poland

        Posted on September 17th, 2009

        By making the announcement on September 17 about abandoning ballistic missile defense plans for Poland and Czech Republic, the Obama White House chose a date with painful historical significance for the Poles. Under the terms of the Hitler-Stalin Pact, the Soviet Union invaded eastern Poland 70 years ago, on September 17, 1939, while western and central parts of Poland were being overrun by German armies.

        Russia has fought hard to keep American missiles away from its borders, and President Obama’s decision is seen as a concession to Moscow in return for Russian support in curbing Iran’s nuclear program. The Poles, always fearful of the Kremlin’s imperial reach, are more likely to see it as a betrayal of their country, a faithful NATO ally of the US, just as Poland, whose soldiers fought alongside Americans against Nazi Germany, was betrayed by America at the end of World War II.

        President Obama’s announcement on September 17 that the US is shelving its plans to build a ballistic missile defense (BMD) system in Central Europe is likely to raise painful historical memories in Poland.

        The Stratfor global intelligence website reported that a U.S. concession to Moscow on BMD would be one of the first major steps in a Russian-U.S. deal — one which could see Iran’s greatest foreign backer flip sides. But President Obama’s “flip” on the Bush Administration’s BMD deal with Poland reminds the Poles of another popular and progressive US president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who made a deal with Stalin in Yalta to get Moscow’s military support against Japan. Poland and the rest of Central and Eastern Europe paid for FDR’s deal at Yalta with decades of Soviet domination.

        These may be completely different times and different political stakes, but the Obama Administration has already demonstrated its lack of historical sensitivity and public diplomacy strategy when it refused Poland’s invitation to send a high level representative to the official observances in Gdansk of the 70th anniversary of the start of World War II. Prime Minister Putin was there and even made sort of an apology for the Hitler-Stalin Pact while trying to deny Stalin’s responsibility for helping Hitler to start World War II.

        The Poles are proud and they think in historical terms. While listening to Putin’s dubious historical analysis delivered in Gdansk, they were reminded of being snubbed by their American ally. The latest decision on missile defense may turn out to be a new public diplomacy disaster for President Obama.

        Poland, one of America’s staunchest allies in the war on terror, saw the presence of US missiles as a protection of its security and sovereignty against a possible threat from Russia. Former Polish President and Solidarity leader Lech Walesa along with former Czech President Vaclav Havel and dozens of other prominent Central European political leaders and intellectuals sent an open letter to President Obama warning him of Russia’s continued threat to the region. The letter was not well received by the Obama Administration.

        As for historical lessons, FDR’s deal with Stalin not did not get much for the US. It allowed the Soviet Union to occupy Central and Eastern Europe and brought about the Cold War. America paid for Yalta with wars in Korea and Vietnam and in billions of dollars in defense spending.

        President Obama, Vice President Biden, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other top administration officials have been silent in recent months as Russian leaders and the Kremlin controlled media launched a campaign to rehabilitate Stalin’s aggressive and genocidal policies. The Poles, on the other hand, reacted to Moscow’s rewriting of Soviet history with great alarm.

        People in the Obama White House may think there are no historical lessons to be drawn from their decision to scrap the missile defense system in Poland and Czech Republic, but any experienced public diplomacy expert would have told them that Central Europeans still remember World War II, Yalta, and the Cold War. At the very least, President Obama could have waited a day or two so that his missile defense announcement would not have been made on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet attack on Poland.

    • > Prepare yourselves for Munich 2.0

      Let’s talk about Munich 1.0 first. Wasn’t that event where the British convinced the French to abandon France’s allies Czechoslovakia and Russia and ally itself with Nazi Germany, leading to the three bandit countries – Germany, Poland and Hungary – dividing Czechoslovakia between themselves?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_betrayal

      The Munich Agreement was an agreement permitting German annexation of Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland. The phrase Munich betrayal (Czech: Mnichovská zrada; Slovak: Mníchovská zrada) is also used because military alliances between Czechoslovakia and France were not honoured. Because the state of Czechoslovakia was not invited to the conference, the Munich Agreement is sometimes called the Munich Dictate by Czechs and Slovaks (Czech: Mnichovský diktát; Slovak: Mníchovský diktát). The phrase Munich betrayal (Czech: Mnichovská zrada; Slovak: Mníchovská zrada) is also used because military alliances between Czechoslovakia and France were not honoured.

      Resolution

      1. Germany occupies the Sudetenland (October 1938)
      2. Poland occupies Zaolzie (October 1938).
      3. Hungary occupies border areas

      Stalin concluded that the West had actively colluded with Hitler to hand over a Central European country to the Nazis, causing concern that they might do the same to the Soviet Union in the future, allowing the partition of the USSR between the western powers and the fascist Axis. This belief led the Soviet Union to reorient its foreign policy towards a rapprochement with Germany, which eventually led to the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in 1939.[7]

      The Czechoslovaks were greatly dismayed with the Munich settlement. With Sudetenland gone to Germany and later southern Slovakia (one third of Slovak territory) occupied by Hungary and the area of Zaolzie by Poland (the disputed area west of the Olza River – 801.5 km² with a population of 227,399), Czecho-Slovakia (as the state was now renamed) lost its defensible border with Germany and its fortifications. Without them its independence became more nominal than real. In fact, Edvard Beneš, the then-President of Czechoslovakia, had the military print the march orders for his army and put the press on standby for a declaration of war. Czechoslovakia also lost 70% of its iron/steel, 70% of its electrical power, 3.5 million citizens and the famous Škoda Works to Germany as a result of the settlement.[8]

  10. And here’s something else.

    Russia’s foreign policy is based on nothing but confrontation with the West and friendship with rogue states.

    Russia supports Iran’s nuclear program, which is leading to Iran missiles.

    There is no logic in it – only the desparate terrible tantrums of Putler and Medvedev.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/The_Kremlin_Wants_A_War_in_Iran/1824223.html

  11. On behalf of the American people, I would like to apologize to Poland and Czech. We value your friendship and you are important allies.

  12. @(for, though the war in Chechnya has been pronounced over, in reality, bloodletting has merely relocated to its neighbors).

    Really? “Relocated”, and not just spilled-over? Let’s see…

    -Yesterday, a female suicide bomber killed 2 policemen in the centre of Grozny at an intersection of (check this out, it’s good) the Peace (Mir) and Putin Avenues. 6 people were wounded.
    -Three day earlier, 2 policemen were killed in a drive-by in Argun.
    -Five days ago, 3 policemen were wounded by an another suicide bomber in Grozny.
    -Six days ago, another policeman was wounded by an IED in Grozny.

    And that’s just according to some of the official reports: at least 6 killed and 10 wounded during the current week. Is this “no bloodletting” now?

  13. I think we shouldn’t write off Obama just yet. He’s said some stupid things, but so far he hasn’t made any actual concessions to Russia.

    Obama today cancelled the missile defense shield plans to the consternation of Poland and the Czech Republic. I think it was stupid on his part.

    At the NATO summit in April, we adopted a resolution focusing on building a defense system against real, existing threats, i.e. short-range and medium-range missiles,” Fischer said. “We expect that the United States will continue cooperating with the Czech Republic on concluding the relevant agreements on our mutual (research and development) and military collaboration, including the financing of specific projects.”

    By contrast, Russia may view the move as a diplomatic victory after complaining about the program consistently for years.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/09/17/united.states.missile.shield/index.html

  14. poluchi fashist granatu

    Obama is a Messiah-like man of peace, who must be praised for his courage and far-sightedness.

    He has made the first step towards reconciliation with Russia after the humiliations and insults the West arrogantly piled up on it after the Cold War. We can only hope that Putin will be generous and big-hearted enough to accept this gesture, though I won’t blame him if he doesn’t.

    • Haha what a Ruzzian zombine!

      PutIN is an excuse for a human being.

      NOBODY Humiliated Russia! RUSSIA HUMILIATED ITSELF! And is enjoying doing this… being friends with Chavez and Ortega and oh… Mugabe… is that not called Humiliation?

    • WRONG.

      And how do I know?

      Because in the 30’s, the henchmen of Hitler and Stalin penned ALMOST THE EXACT SAME COMPLIMENTS to the brigades of appeasers who were enabling the foundation of the Second World War to form right underneath their nose without acting against the gathering tide.

      I repeat: the ONLY way for reconciliation to happen is if Russia sheds its tyrannical past and present and reforms. Once that happens, most of us could CARE LESS at WORST and would likely actually SUPPORT you in places like Siberia and the Caucasus.

      But no, Putin has decided to destroy all chances of reform in favor of chasing the old strongman’s delusion, that one more invasion will fix all the nation’s problems.

      It didn’t work for Germany, it didn’t work for China, it didn’t work for Russia/ the USSR in the past, it didn’t work for Japan, so why should you think it will work for Russia today?

      Compared to your crimes, the West has APPALLINGLY little to apologize for.

  15. Putin annouced today that he is going to build bases in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

    Obama is silent again.

  16. I wouldn’t write off Obama yet — that missile system was doomed anyway (the technology wasn’t there, it couldn’t work as advertised, and Iran still can’t do what it was supposed to warn against). The only positive thing in that program was a gesture to Poland and the Czech republic — and one that didn’t cost anything, and that wouldn’t help these countries in case of any troubles with Russia.

    I’m still waiting to see what Obama will tell these countries. There may be better ideas than that useless missile base.

  17. Human rights defenders: inspectors know who killed Estemirova, but they are under pressure

    http://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/11212

    • And btw:

      Human rights activists state increase of kidnappings in Northern Caucasus

      http://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/11214

      Chechnya sees more and more kidnappings, as reported by the HRC “Memorial”. The “Mashr” human rights organization, in its turn, reports that the count of kidnappings has decreased, but the number of murders is on the rise. This is the conclusion of experts, based on the data as of end of August 2009.

      • Very related:

        (once again) Strasbourg orders Russia to pay over Chechen, Ingush lawsuits

        PARIS, September 17 (RIA Novosti) – The European Court of Human Rights has ordered Russia to pay 210,000 euros ($309,540) in compensation to the relatives of people who disappeared or died in Russia’s North Caucasus in 2003 and 2004.

        Russia failed to carry out an “effective investigation” into the cases, all of which took place in the North Caucasus republics of Chechnya and Ingushetia, the Strasbourg court said in a statement.

        Bekman Asadulayev disappeared in Chechnya’s capital of Grozny on January 14, 2004, after he was detained by a group of armed men wearing camouflage near the local police station.

        Ruslan Magomadov disappeared in Grozny on February 9, 2003, after he was taken from the family home early in the morning by unidentified men.

        Umar Zabiyev died in June 2003 near the Ingush village of Galashki, when his truck was attacked by armed men. Zabiyev’s mother was wounded in the attack, and his body was found the next day.

        The Strasbourg court said Russia did not provide it with required documents concerning the cases. The court also ruled that the Russian authorities were guilty of the deaths of the missing people.

        The statement said the Russian authorities had infringed several articles of the European Convention on Human Rights, ordering them to pay to the relatives of victims 63,867 euros ($94,216) of material damage, 115,000 euros ($169,574) of moral damage, and 29,950 euros ($44,163) to cover legal fees.

        The ruling can be appealed against at the Court’s Grand Chamber within three months from the date of the ruling.

        Russia has lost the majority of cases brought against it in the Strasbourg-based court. In 2008, the court ruled against Russia 245 times. Overall, around 20% of all complaints made to the court in the past decade have involved Russia.

        In June, the Strasbourg court ordered Russia to pay 160,000 euros ($224,000) in compensation to the relatives of five Chechens who disappeared in 2001, and 42,600 euros ($59,370) to a prisoner as compensation for inhumane treatment.

        In July, the court ordered Russia to pay 39,757 euros ($58,618) in compensation to a Chechen woman whose husband went missing in 2001.

        The North Caucasus republics of Chechnya and Ingushetia have seen an upsurge of militant violence of late. Chechnya saw two brutal separatist wars in the 1990s and early 2000s.

        • Btw, Strasbourg now is acting quickly – not after several years as before:

          The European Court on Human Rights (ECtHR) has addressed the authorities of the Russian Federation asking them to present, before September 21, 2009, information about details of the inquiry into the kidnapping of Sirazhudin Minatulaevich Shafiev, a resident of Dagestan.

          The “Caucasian Knot” has reported that in the morning on September 8 Sirazhudin Shafiev was kidnapped in the city of Derbent in the eyes of numerous witnesses by unidentified persons in camouflage and masks.

          http://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/11219

          Related:

          Militia disperses residents of Dagestan protesting against abductions

          http://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/11138

      • @Human rights activists state increase of kidnappings in Northern Caucasus

        Narrow escape from a death squad:

        Maksharip Aushev, a member of the Expert’s Council of the office of Russian Ombudsman, told the “Caucasian Knot” correspondent the details of the attempt of his kidnapping, undertaken on September 15 in Ingushetia.

        http://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/11222

        “I saw: some 5-6 persons in uniform were close to me, ready to tie me up as soon as I get to the door of their car. All of them were in masks. Should I’ve got half-meter closer – they’d have tied me up, and I’d have disappeared without traces,” Mr Aushev is sure. “When I saw that, I said that I’d now stop the engine of my car and come back, and tried to leave the place. They grasped me by the jacket, now it’s torn; I managed to break away and ran to the road, where I saw cars with people, and stopped a car.”

        According to Maksharip Aushev, his relative happened to be in that car. Maksharip stopped other cars as well. Guys from the civil cars from the column immediately surrounded him by a sort of a “live shield”. Persons in black uniform also started to group together, preparing an attack, but at that moment a man from the republic’s government, who was on his way home, got out of his car.

  18. So, is anyone going to suggest maybe Pres. B.O. is a rasist, who will turn a blind eye to more ethnic cleansing on the continent?

  19. Kolchak wrote:
    > On behalf of the American people, I would like to apologize to Poland and Czech.

    Apologize for what? Most Poles and Czechs have been against this “Shield” and are now happy and relieved to see it abandoned. If we Americans are to apologise, then let’s apologise for our previous president Bush trying to ram this “Shield” down the throat of average Poles and Czechs against their will:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_missile_defense.

    Missile defense of Eastern Europe

    57% of Poles opposed the plan… 67% Czechs disagree and only about 15% support it… The ballistic missile-defence system currently being considered is primarily designed to protect United States.[29] More than 130,000 Czechs signed petition for referendum about the base, which is by far the largest citizen initiative (Ne základnám – No to Bases)[30] since the Velvet Revolution.[31]

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0922/p06s01-woeu.html

    Why Europe welcomes US missile defense shield decision

    The Christian Science Monitor

    September 21, 2009

    European officials are strongly applauding the American decision.

    A survey in the Warsaw daily Rzeczpospolita over the weekend indicated that about half of the Poles agree with Obama’s decision to abandon the missile shield, while 31 percent disagreed.

    German and French diplomats see the White House move as changing a US policy imposed unilaterally on Europe – and allowing greater running room with Moscow on issues from Iran to North Korea, Afghanistan, nuclear proliferation, and with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

    Alexander Rahr of the German Council of Foreign Relations says the original US missile shield plan was ill-conceived. The US now supports smaller, tested defense systems, unambiguously deployed to intercept short and mid-range Iranian rockets.

    “The strategy of the Bush team was confrontation with Russia,” says Gert Weisskirchen, foreign policy spokesman of Germany’s center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD). “On the shield, we had a different view from the beginning. Most of the political elite here agrees with Obama. We never saw the necessity for the new missiles being developed. We agree on the Iran threat, but not with this instrument.” “It is a good decision,” offers a German diplomat. “No, it’s a great decision.”

    Why Europe is relieved

    European officials were skeptical of the missile shield for several reasons: They argued it was technically dubious, did not protect Europe but was mainly planned to stop ICBMs launched against America, that its costs were high, that it was imposed on Europe without proper consultation, and that it gave Moscow an issue to (fairly or unfairly) gripe over.

    “The shield does not realistically protect the states it is designed to protect,” says Eberhard Sandschneider of the German Council on Foreign Relations here. “It isn’t solving anything, and there are downsides.”

    In Paris, Le Monde editorialized in a similar vein over the weekend: “We must hail the decision by Barack Obama to abandon the anti-missile shield project that was to be deployed in Europe. This costly project whose very efficiency was at doubt was deeply divisive among the European and fed a heavy “Star Wars” climate in Russia. Here, as elsewhere, the American president has chosen détente and negotiation.”

  20. @http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_missile_defense.

    Ah, so the Wikipedia editors completely ignored what the Polish and Czech ALLIED governments and military think about it, their angered reactions to the abrupt and unconsultated cancelling ON SEPTEMBER 17 (the 70th annversary of SOMETHING), or for example the recent open letter of their and other Eastern European former leaders and top officials to Obama (later also signed by the current Polish president):

    An Open Letter to the Obama Administration from Central and Eastern Europe
    2009-07-15
    by Valdas Adamkus, Martin Butora, Emil Constantinescu, Pavol Demes, Lubos Dobrovsky, Matyas Eorsi, Istvan Gyarmati, Vaclav Havel, Rastislav Kacer, Sandra Kalniete, Karel Schwarzenberg, Michal Kovac, Ivan Krastev, Alexander Kwasniewski, Mart Laar, Kadri Liik, Janos Martonyi. Janusz Onyszkiewicz, Adam Rotfeld, Vaira Vike-Freiberga, Alexandr Vondra, Lech Walesa.

    We have written this letter because, as Central and Eastern European (CEE) intellectuals and former policymakers, we care deeply about the future of the transatlantic relationship as well as the future quality of relations between the United States and the countries of our region. We write in our personal capacity as individuals who are friends and allies of the United States as well as committed Europeans.

    (…)

    Twenty years after the end of the Cold War, however, we see that Central and Eastern European countries are no longer at the heart of American foreign policy. As the new Obama Administration sets its foreign-policy priorities, our region is one part of the world that Americans have largely stopped worrying about. Indeed, at times we have the impression that U.S. policy was so successful that many American officials have now concluded that our region is fixed once and for all and that they could “check the box” and move on to other more pressing strategic issues. Relations have been so close that many on both sides assume that the region’s transatlantic orientation, as well as its stability and prosperity, would last forever.

    That view is premature. All is not well either in our region or in the transatlantic relationship. Central and Eastern Europe is at a political crossroads and today there is a growing sense of nervousness in the region. The global economic crisis is impacting on our region and, as elsewhere, runs the risk that our societies will look inward and be less engaged with the outside world. At the same time, storm clouds are starting to gather on the foreign policy horizon. Like you, we await the results of the EU Commission’s investigation on the origins of the Russo-Georgian war. But the political impact of that war on the region has already been felt. Many countries were deeply disturbed to see the Atlantic alliance stand by as Russia violated the core principles of the Helsinki Final Act, the Charter of Paris, and the territorial integrity of a country that was a member of NATO’s Partnership for Peace and the Euroatlantic Partnership Council -all in the name of defending a sphere of influence on its borders.

    (…)

    Third, the thorniest issue may well be America’s planned missile-defense installations. Here too, there are different views in the region, including among our publics which are divided. Regardless of the military merits of this scheme and what Washington eventually decides to do, the issue has nevertheless also become — at least in some countries — a symbol of America’s credibility and commitment to the region. How it is handled could have a significant impact on their future transatlantic orientation. The small number of missiles involved cannot be a threat to Russia’s strategic capabilities, and the Kremlin knows this. We should decide the future of the program as allies and based on the strategic plusses and minuses of the different technical and political configurations. The Alliance should not allow the issue to be determined by unfounded Russian opposition. Abandoning the program entirely or involving Russia too deeply in it without consulting Poland or the Czech Republic can undermine the credibility of the United States across the whole region.

    Read more: http://wyborcza.pl/1,75477,6825987,An_Open_Letter_to_the_Obama_Administration_from_Central.html

    Valdas Adamkus Former President of the Republic of Lithuania
    Martin Butora Former Ambassador of the Slovak Republic to the United States
    Emil Constantinescu Former President of the Republic of Romania
    Pavol Demes Former Minister of International Relations and Advisor to the President, Slovak Republic
    Lubos Dobrovsky Former Defense Minister of the Czech Republic, former Ambassador to Russia
    Matyas Eorsi Former Secretary of State of the Hungarian MFA
    Istvan Gyarmati Ambassador, President of the International Centre for Democratic Transition in Budapest
    Vaclav Havel Former President of the Czech Republic
    Rastislav Kacer Former Ambassador of the Slovak Republic to the United States
    Sandra Kalniete Former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Latvia
    Karel Schwarzenberg Former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Czech Republic
    Michal Kovac Former President of the Slovak Republic
    Ivan Krastev Chairman of the Centre for Liberal Strategies in Sofia, Bulgaria
    Alexander Kwasniewski Former President of the Republic of Poland
    Mart Laar Former Prime Minister of Estonia
    Kadri Liik Director of the International Centre for Defense Studies in Tallinn, Estonia
    Janos Martonyi Former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Hungary
    Janusz Onyszkiewicz Former Vice-president of the European Parliament, former Defense Minister, Poland
    Adam Rotfeld Former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Poland
    Alexandr Vondra Former Minister of Foreign Affairs and Deputy Prime Minister, Czech Republic
    Vaira Vike-Freiberga Former President of the Republic Latvia
    Lech Walesa Former President of the Republic of Poland

  21. Robert,

    What’s your point? That politicians don’t care about what the average voters and taxpayers think and want, and instead want to ram warmongering down the throats of the poor slobs who “elected” them?

    Everybody knows that. Average people like peace and hate war, because it is their sons who die in wars and it is average people who suffer. Most politicians, on the contrary, love wars. Politicians don’t fight in wars and most of them make sure that their children and grandchildren get exempt from war. Politicians profiteer from war, average people suffer.

    BTW, given that Bush and various Eastern European politicians have been lying to us that these defenses have absolutely nothing to do with Russia, do you really want the readers to believe that the reason why so many Eastern European politicians have signed the latter above is because these people are worried about the upcoming nuclear attack on Europe from North Korea and Iraq?

    Is Eastern Europe **really** scared to death about the North Korean and Iranian “threats”? How many idiots do you expect to believe this crap?

    And why is it that no politicians in Western Europe are scared about the North Korean and Iranian “threats”? What evidence do you have that Iran and Korea plan to drop their non-existent nukes inside their non-existent ICBMs on **Eastern** Europe, but have no plans to drop them on **Western** Europe?

    Doesn’t the fact that **all** the support for these “defenses” comes from Eastern European politicians and none from Western – provide yet another irrefutable proof that these defences are aimed at Russia, not Iran?

    • A. Yes, it is true on average that average people want peace and hate war.

      But what if, say, in order to stay at peace, Russia would have to deal with, oh, 99% of its territory being parceled out between the US, Poland, Finland, the Ukraine, and Georgia?

      No? THAT’S the kicker. Everyone save for the bloodthirsty dogs of war want peace, but they want peace on THEIR terms.

      B. Lying? How? Their main pitch has been that it is directed against Iran (which is true), and if Moscow for some reason decides to send the missiles down from the Poles piecemeal, it will be a nice fringe benefit.

      C. They are, it is just that few show it. You should SEE the projected range for NK’s “No Dong” once they finally get over the embarrassing case of FallintotheSeaofJapanitis that plagues their targeting. That, and the fact that that is where the majority of Tehran’s nuclear expertise is coming from as far as anybody knows makes it all the worse. And if you are advocating that we put a missile shield up in Western Europe as well as Eastern Europe, I would have to agree with you.

      • What’s your point, Turtler? That Europeans are afraid that, without the American anti-missile defences in Poland, the big bad Russia will easily overwhelm and conquer the little, weak and helpless Europe and the weak little NATO?

        That’s insanely funny. A simple glance at current defence spendings tells a full story as to which country is best at robbing its taxpayers for warmongering purposes:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_federations_by_military_expenditures

        NATO Total 1,050 bln
        European Union Total 312,259,000,000

        1 United States 636 bln
        3 France 68 bln
        4 United Kingdom 65 bln
        5 Japan 48 bln
        6 Germany 45 bln
        7 Italy 40 bln

        8 Russian Federation 39 bln

        That is, Russia is spending 16 times less on its military budget than USA, 37 times less than NATO, 8 times less than the European Union, and much less than even France and UK individually, even though the latter are much smaller countries.

        For heaven’s sake, even Italy spends more money on defence than Russia, despite being more than twice smaller in population!

        There is less chance that this weak Russia will be able to attack and defeat any NATO country than a chance that Cuba can attack and defeat USA. The “Russian scare” and hysteria have only one purpose: to scare and dupe average taxpayers into giving their hard-earned money to the fat cats at the military-industrial complex.

    • Read this open letter, “my” point is right there.

      • @That the Georgian government lied about the Pankisi Gorge in order to squeeze money from USA? That Russia has been facing a bunch of Goebbels-like lying, cheating and fabricating governments in USA, Eastern Europe and Georgia?

        That the Russian government lied about the Pankisi Gorge in order to squeeze blood from the Chechens. Complete with the claims of bin Laden in Pankisi – “why not”, Goebbels-like lying, cheating and fabricating defense minister Ivanov said.

        Prague, 20 February 2002 (RFE/RL) — Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze is facing growing pressure from both Russia and the United States to reassert control over a crime-ridden region where armed militants allegedly linked to Osama bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda terrorist network are said to be hiding.
        (…)
        Be that as it may, Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov soon outdid [the U.S. charge d’affaires in Tbilisi, Philip] Remler, hinting on 15 February during a visit to Paris that bin Laden himself might be hiding in the Akhmeta administrative district that includes the Pankisi Gorge.
        In comments broadcast on 18 February on Georgian state television, Security Minister Khaburzaniya brushed off Russia’s new accusations: “I can state that, according to our intelligence information, bin Laden is not in the Pankisi Gorge. As for the rest, things will be clearer as the situation develops further. One can make every kind of allegations, including saying that the number one terrorist is hiding in Pankisi. Our services are working on ways to neutralize this kind of information.”
        Addressing reporters at his weekly press briefing on 18 February, Shevardnadze sarcastically responded to Ivanov’s comments, saying the prime suspect behind the 11 September attacks might be hiding in a place Ivanov would not dare think of: “I was very much surprised by [Ivanov’s] remarks that bin Laden might be somewhere in the Akhmeta administrative district. I explain these remarks by the fact that Ivanov’s mother is herself from [the city of] Akhmeta. Her house is still there, and maybe [bin Laden] is hiding in it? He might well be hiding there. We will check this out. We would not like to search the house of the foreign minister of Russia, but we will have to do it anyway.”

        They just eventually collapsed to the “growing pressure from both Russia and the United States” and used it to their aims. Oh, and the US pressure was becuase they were fed wrong info from the Russians.

        And of course simply forget how this Georgian government was toppled in a revolution by the current government – a revolution in which Russia curiously supported this supposedly “Goebbels-like lying, cheating and fabricating government”, mind you (just like in the case of Ukraine).

        • And yeah, it was the foreign minister Ivanov (Igor) and not the defense minister Ivanov (Sergei).

          The “Goebbels-like lying, cheating and fabricating” “bin Laden in Georgia” guy:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Ivanov

          “Ivanov played a key role in mediating a deal between Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze and opposition parties during Georgia’s “Rose Revolution” in 2003.”

          Uh-oh.

          • And I also called you stupid, now if you really care about my opinion so much.

            And don’t you think that the Abkahazis and Ossetians were justified in trying to stay very, very close to these “Goebbels”-like figures like the Ivanovs?

            A sample on the Russian disinformation campaign and the early Georgian response:

            Georgian National Security Council Secretary Tedo Japaridze has branded reports about the Pankisi’s link to Chechen militants and al Qaeda terrorists as “total disinformation.” Japaridze hinted during a May 20 interview broadcast by Georgian television that Russia was behind the rumors. “The sources could be different – but I think I know where this disinformation is being generated. This is being done by agencies and people who do not wish the Pankisi Gorge problem to be resolved,” Japaridze said.

            http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav052903.shtml

            Of course later it was even the very Russian foreign minister in a public conference – his argument for this: “why not” (yes, it’s a quote in context).

            This Russian disinformation campaign (there was lots of this, including of course the “intelligence coperation with our Russian partners”) sparked the pressure from the United States, too. More about the early Georgian response:

            Now that the world is starting to get used to the idea of an “evil axis,” it would seem only right for the Bush Administration to somehow up the ante. The latest victim of the infallible, invisible hand of terror-detection is Georgia. For this embattled Caucasian state, winding up on America’s radar screen might be a disaster – or, perhaps, it might become something much more amenable. From the official charge, the final verdict is hard to foresee:

            “According to our information, a few dozen mujahedin fighters from Afghanistan have appeared in the Caucasus region,” acting US ambassador to Georgia, Phillip Ramler, told the Achali Versiya newspaper.”

            The American ambassador had a more specific location in mind: Georgia’s lawless Pankisi Gorge, on the northern border with Chechnya. Unsurprisingly, this accusation was rejected in Tbilisi:

            “…Georgian Intelligence Service chief Avtandil Ioseliani said he has no information concerning the presence of Afghans in Pankisi. “If Mr. Remler has such information, let him share it with us,” Caucasus Press quoted Ioseliani as saying.”

            http://www.antiwar.com/orig/deliso32.html

            • Actually Phobodunce, the “Al Qaida in Pankisi” was originally claimed by the Russians, as they were trying (and like you lying) to link the Chechens with Al-Qaida in order to justify Russian imperialism and mass murder in Chechnya

            • 1. Yes, Powell did repeat the deliberate Russian disinformation. He later said he didn’t know he was fed bullsh*t and that he was sorry.

              But at least he didn’t repeat Ivanov’s claim of Osama bin Laden himself possibly hiding in Pankisi Gorge. I guess it was too idiotic, or maybe it just didn’t fit PowerPoint presentation:

              2. No.

              They just adopted it, so they would turn the dangerous “might be a disaster” situation (to quote this antiwar.com website) to a win-win-win situation: pesky Chechens go away, Russians stop threatening to bomb Georgia, and the Georgian military partially rearmed and retrained by the US army.

              3. The “shield” in not anti-Russia, of course. (Unless Russia really has only a handful of ICBMs still working?)

              But the deal was supposed to improve their east-direction security otherwise: they want US soldiers in their countries, Patriot missiles (countermasures against tactical missiles) for free or low cost, and other direct support.

              And also lifting of the US visa regime regarding their citiziens at last and simply respect. Much? Maybe you should consider 20 years of unwavering support of America (apparently this is the end to this) and dozens of dead Polish soldiers around the world (and I guess they would withdraw from Afghanistan now if it was not a NATO mission).

  22. Correction:

    When I wrote “are aimed at Russia”, I meant “were supposed to be aimed at Russia”.

    Thank god, these plans are now dead, and we are now witnessing the last, dying days of the second Cold War between USA and Russia.

    The question is: do you, russophobes, have stocked up enough cardiac and psychiatric medicines to keep you stay alive in these new times of peace and cooperation between USA and Russia?

    LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:

    We’ve demanded that you apologize for your outrageous lies about the Russian Internet. This your last warning. Apologize or you’ll be permanently banned.

    • Given the fact that such a time of “peace and cooperation” is probably to be measured in hours if not days given the saber rattling, mysterious cargo ships in Western Africa, and the continuing case of Georgia and the Ukraine, I’m pretty sure we do.

      As long as Coca-Cola doesn’t go belly-up taking every single canister of their delicious nectar with them, I’m pretty sure I’ll pull through it until the resumption (if we even assume there was ever a gap) occurs.

    • I am not going to apologise for telling the truth. Instead let me repeat the documentation that shows that Russia had 38 Internet million users 10 months ago and thus has even more than that today:

      ——————
      http://www.internetworldstats.com/euro/ru.htm
      Internet World Stats
      Russia
      Internet Usage and Marketing Report
      Internet Usage Statistics:

      38,000,000 Internet users as of Dec/08,
      27.1% penetration

      ——————

      https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/editorial-blogging-dima/

      A recent news item in the Moscow Times cites a VTsIOM poll (Russian language link) released a few days ago in connection with “National Internet Day” which reveals the following information about Russian Internet use:

      69% of Russians never use the Internet
      11% use it daily
      9% use it several times per week
      3% use it a few times per year

      ——————

      http://wciom.ru/novosti/press-vypuski/press-vypusk/single/10753.html

      69% of Russians never use the Internet

      31% of Russians use Internet, of which:

      11% use it daily
      9% use it several times per week
      7% use it several times per month
      3% use it episodically, but at least twice per year

      ——————

      So, you lied when you wrote:

      > http://larussophobe.wordpressDOTcom/2009/07/18/editorial-russias-barbaric-internet/
      80% of Russians have no access to the Internet

      And I strongly recommend you to ban me to cover up your lie. Go ahead!

      You want to ban me for telling the truth? What else is new? You already banned me once for telling the truth that Sharapova’s bad play is due to her shoulder injury.

      Ban me, and let’s continue this discussion as to who is the liar at Siberian Light, Usenet and other forums. I bet the readers there will be interested in seeing how you lie and then lash out at those who expose your little lies.

      • Depends on what you call access.

        Is it daily on call access in which case:

        11% use it daily
        9% use it several times per week

        = 20% of people having “real” ie on call access to the internet, which leaves 80% who do not.

        Your argument is a bit like claiming those who must travel from the regions to a city to get medical care (or even see a doctor) have “full access to medical care”.

        Still working the night shift in “California” Phobokapo? Considering you posted around 1am Western time US.

  23. Turtler wrote:
    > Their main pitch has been that it is directed against Iran….

    So, then the main reason why these politicians and the American media are so hysterical at the news that this shield is scrapped is because this leaves them vulnerable to the Iranian attack?

    Let me see, Iran has no nukes. Iran has no missiles that can reach Poland. If and when Iran does build them, it is unlikely to use them against anybody.

    But if Iran ever nukes a country – this country will be Israel. Iran doesn’t hate Europe and will never attack it.

    And yet ,it is the Eastern European leaders who have lost not only their sleep but even the remaining sanity in their brains and are hysterically crying out that they are scared of the “Iranian threat”?!

    Come on, don’t insult our intelligence. Admit that this hysteria on the part of these politicians has nothing to do with Iran and everything to do with Russia.

    In fact, let us play “doctor” and try to peruse this open letter for the reasons that its authors give for their hysteria over the fact that USA is no longer placing its “shield” in Poland and Czech R:

    ——————————————-
    http://wyborcza.pl/1,75477,6825987,An_Open_Letter_to_the_Obama_Administration_from_Central.html

    “storm clouds … the Russo-Georgian war.

    Many countries were deeply disturbed …Russia violated the core principles

    As the countries living closest to Russia…. Yalta… Cold War

    When it comes to Russia, our experience has been that a more determined and principled policy toward Moscow….

    Etc
    ——————————————-

    It’s all about Russia. All of it! In this voluminous albeit content-free and unreadable dissertation, Iran is not mentioned at all. Not even once!

    And that proves once and for all that the claim that this “Shield” was aimed at Iran and had nothing to do with Russia – it was a damn lie, and everybody in USA and Europe knew that. It was as much of a cold-blooded lie as Powell’s notorious UN speech about Saddam having massive stockpiles of WMDs and being the best ally and friend of Bin Laden.

    Obama seems to be much less tolerant of impudent Goebbels-style lies than his predecessors, so he has to can this lie. That’s all. And everybody in Western Europe and Russia and most average people in Poland and Czech R are happy to see Obama kill this lie. Amen. RIP.

    • @It’s all about Russia. All of it! In this voluminous albeit content-free and unreadable dissertation, Iran is not mentioned at all. Not even once!

      Because they don’t feel threatened by Iran. I don’t see any Iranian speeched even mentioning Poland or the Czech Republic or Lithuania or Hungary? It’s all about Israel and the Great Satan.

      @And that proves once and for all that the claim that this “Shield” was aimed at Iran and had nothing to do with Russia – it was a damn lie, and everybody in USA and Europe knew that.

      The system itself had nothing to do with Russia. What they negotiated to get for this (Patriots etc.) was all about Russia.

      @And everybody in Western Europe and Russia and most average people in Poland and Czech R are happy to see Obama kill this lie. Amen. RIP.

      Not “most”, but nearly half. While nearly 1/3 are unhappy (and so are their prime minister and their president – who are bitter rivals otherwise).

      Warsaw — Some 48 percent of Poles say they approve of US President Barack Obama’s decision to scrap plans for a missile shield in their country and the neighbouring Czech Republic, a survey showed Saturday.

      The poll published in the Rzeczpospolita newspaper also showed 31 percent of those surveyed disapproved of the decision and 21 percent were undecided.

      At the same time, a majority — 58 percent — said the US decision would not affect Poland’s security, according to the poll conducted Friday by the GfK Polonia institute in a sampling of 500 people.

      Obama announced Thursday that he had decided to replace the shield plans of the prior Bush administration with a more mobile system using mainly sea-based interceptors to target any attack with short- and medium-range missiles, with Iran seen as the main threat.

      The poll also found that 40 percent of those interviewed thought Washington had bowed to pressure from Russia in abandoning the initial shield project, and 20 percent said the move amounted to “neglecting its allies” in central Europe.

  24. Andrew wrote:
    > Still working the night shift in “California” Phobokapo? Considering you posted around 1am Western time US.

    Andrew, let me break my silence towards you for a second.

    Why would you say that I post from work?

    Congratulations: you are the stupidest man among those who can use Internet.

    You spend your entire workday using the Internet. That’s why you go to work: to use internet and to get paid lavishly for doing so.

    But you are so stupid as to think that everybody is like you. But we are not. Normal human beings go to work to work. Normal human beings have enough integrity as not to steal from their employer by wasting work hours on blogs. We read and post to blogs from home.

    From home, Andrew! Isn’t that obvious?

    You are truly amazing.

    > Still working the night shift?

    So, you consider posting to LR’s blob “working”? Clearly, this is work for you.. Who pays you for this “work”? Certainly not the poor slob who employs you at your construction company. I bet he doesn’t have a clue as to how you waste your work day. So, who else pays you? Not CIA. They will never employ a retard with an IQ of 76 and the intellectual maturity of a 12-year-old… Maybe Saakashvili pays you? If so – we should tell him that he is wasting his money. Or at least he should explain to you how to use the Internet from home.

    • Well PhoboKapo, do you actually have a day job? What are you doing awake all night in “California” considering the vast majority of your posts are made from midnight to 6 am Pacific Standard Time?

      As for IQ, you constantly show yourself to be both a sub-primate in both your morals and intellect.

      So what sort of day job do you have posting all night boyo? Really I find it most disturbing that you are staying up to post at 3am on a week night.

      Seems a little deranged to me.

      In addition Phobokapo (do you even know what a Kapo is phoboturd?) an average post (for those that can type) takes around a minute.

      I spend around 15-20 minutes in the day typing responses to your crap. My boss is Scottish, and violently anti-Russian too, so he has no problem with me spending my coffee (well in my case tea) breaks posting as I like.

      As for posting from home, I do that too, around 50% of the time.

      So PhoboKapo, give your tiny little brain a rest.

      • Cut and paste from articles old boy, I don’t have to type it all.

        Wonders of technology and all that.

        As for posting “50 times a day”.

        Not at all, though I have not tried to keep up with all your BS on a one for one basis.

        BTW, you still have not explained why you post all night (literally) from “California”

        What is your day job PhoboKapo? They must be getting ready to fire you for falling asleep on the job.

        However your paranoid delusions of “military industrial complexes encirling Russia” etc are pretty typical of someone who indulges in metaamphetamine abuse.

        Stay off the hard stuff PhoboKapo, you are doing what passes for your tiny shrunken brain irreprable damage.

        BTW, you stated my boss was Georgian, I corrected you.

        As for pathalogical liar, look in the mirror PhoboKapo. You lie more than anyone who posts here boyo.

  25. @So, it were the Russians who ordered Bush to invade Iraq?!

    It was God who ordered him (allegedly).
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml
    Russians (and others – for example some Iraqi defectors with their own agendas) just manipulated him.

    I always told you about Russian disinformation campaign and what the Georgians eventually did with this. As in here (and I cited this on August 7):

    “This house of cards was saluted by Britain, Russia, the U.S. and eventually even the Georgians as it served to advance the interests of each. The British government was trying to justify an unpopular decision to join the Iraq war, and Russia was able to implicate Georgia in a Chechen-al-Qaeda network of terror, invoking “the common cause” of the anti-terror coalition in support of their methods in Chechnya. The U.S. trained Georgian troops essential for the protection of the two new oil pipelines about to cross Georgia under the cloak of counter-terrorist assistance, while using the Zarqawi chemical threat to drum up support in the United Nations.”

    Yes, that’s right: EVENTUALLY the Georgians.

    So stop pretending because I’m tired of your stupid games. (As I wrote on the same day, that is August 7: “Are you retarded, or only pretending to be retarded?”)

    And yes, I’m still insulting your “intelligence” – because I think you’re a complete idiot.

  26. @That’s why they have written this letter recently: to try to steal huge money from the US taxpayers.

    What about the American “theft” of Polish lives and money from Polish taxpayers in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere? What about the 2 decades of unwavering political support on just every issue? I thought it’s called “being allies”? Poland even bought the F-16s even as they could buy the better European aircraft (Saab JAS 39 Gripen). And so on.

    But well, never mind. Look, a thief!

    Polish soldier killed in Afghanistan firefight

    Source : AFP 10.09.2009

    WARSAW, Sept 10, 2009 (AFP) – A Polish soldier was killed and four others wounded in a firefight with Taliban militants in eastern Afghanistan, the Polish army said on Thursday.

    “A Polish soldier was killed and four wounded during an exchange of fire with rebels in Ghazni province,” said Major Miroslaw Ochyra.

    Poland which has 2,000 soldiers in Afghanistan as part of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) has so far lost 12 troops in the conflict, most of whom were killed when their vehicles hit explosive devices.

    22 were killed in Iraq (Georgia lost 5). While the Russians… wonder if you knew about this and what do you think now, as you’re allegedly an American patriot (or something)?

    http://www.gazeta.ru/2003/04/02/Wedidntflyto.shtml

    It is hard to predict the political fallout from the reports of Russian generals training Iraqis for war. On the one hand, both Achalov and Maltsev are retired generals and do not act on behalf of Russia’s official authorities. Their private trips to Baghdad do not violate any UN resolutions, or any other restrictions imposed on Iraq by the UN Security Council.

    Yet, Russia’s indirect participation in the training of the Iraqi army to repulse the US-led invasion (in effect, Iraq is using the unique experience of Russia’s top, albeit retired officers) is likely to significantly complicate relations between Moscow and Washington. Besides, the Kremlin cannot say that it knew nothing of the services rendered by the former Soviet generals to the Iraqi military command, as such frequent trips to Baghdad could not remain unnoticed by the Russian security services.

    Either they did remain unnoticed, which is doubtful, or it was decided to turn a blind eye to their trips.

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