Putin, Dancing with Neo-Nazis

Just say "NO!" to Nazis

Just say "NO!" to Nazis

Writing on the Open Democracy network Russian journalist Vladimir Tupikin says that the Putin regime is dancing to the tune of the country’s neo-Nazi movement:

On Tuesday 4 August 2009 the St. Petersburg City Court examined the appeal in the case of Alexei Bychin, a young anti-fascist arrested in the summer of last year. According to witnesses, the trial lasted around three minutes and upheld Bychin’s sentence: five years in a maximum security prison. From three to five, as people say in jest. But this time the story isn’t funny at all.

At the beginning of the white nights season in the middle of June 2008, a group of young punk rockers were walking around in the centre of Petersburg. Among them was Alexei Bychin, who had the ironic punk nickname Tolsty (Fatty), because he is thin and small (50 kg, 165 cm). There were girls in the group too.

Not far from the department store Gostiny Dvor, Bychin and the girls encountered two tough guys who decided to pick on them, and in a very peculiar way: they raised their right arms and shouted “Heil Hitler!” These two guys had picked up on signs that the group were anti-fascists. It’s not very difficult – punks in Moscow and Petersburg are practically all anti-fascists nowadays, and not just in these cities. A slanging match ensued. Soon, words became actions. The skinheads made a ‘rose’ (you knock out the bottom of a bottle and get a real weapon, quite a dangerous one) and hit Bychin. It was one scrawny kid against two big guys (the tradition in Russian society is that girls don’t take part in street fights). Bychin took out a knife and stabbed one of them. The nazi sympathizers were not morally prepared for the knife and fled. The girls sighed with relief.

About a month later the police picked up a punk friend of Bychin’s. He was handcuffed to a radiator in an uncomfortable position and held there for many hours until he broke down and grassed on Bychin. He rang and asked Bychin to come and meet him. Not expecting to be framed, Bychin turned up and was immediately arrested. The Petersburg police displayed such zeal in this rather trivial case for the understandable reason that the injured man was a colleague, a trainee in the Special Police Force (OMON). The journalist Tatyana Likhanova has unearthed the fact that he is also a former neo-nazi, who was in an extremist political group before he joined the army. A former neo-nazi or a current one, given the “joke” with which Bychin’s night incident started?

The question arises: is Bychin paranoid? Why did he grab his knife? No, Alexei’s not paranoid, his mental state is quite healthy, as the forensic medical assessment established. They also found a knife wound on his arm that was received at the time of the fight near Gostiny Dvor. But Bychin didn’t go to hospital to get his wound treated and the former (?) neo-nazi did. Alexei must have remembered previous encounters between neo-nazis and anti-fascists, while he was being attacked. One in Petersburg ended very badly indeed. In the autumn of 2005 a 20-year-old punk musician and student at the philosophy faculty of St. Petersburg State University Timur Kacharava, was killed by neo-nazis. The killers shouted “Anti-antifa!”

In January 2007, Ivan Yelin, a young anti-fascist, was attacked: he had 21 knife wounds, but miraculously he survived. He managed to make a telephone call and the doctors arrived on time.

If we go further afield, we can continue the list: on 16 April 2006 anti-fascist Alexander Ryukhin was killed on the outskirts of Moscow. He was almost 20 (just a few days short of his birthday), and was going to a concert with a friend. Six neo-nazi killers armed with knives attacked them shouting “Anti-fa! Lets get ’em!” His friend Yegor who was walking next to him managed to run away. The killers caught up with Alexander, and stabbed him in the head and the heart. We note in passing that the investigating officer tried to charge three of the (six) killers who had been caught at the scene of the crime with public order offences. It was only the efforts of the lawyer Stanislav Markelov, now deceased, that ensured they were given a real prison sentence. But only three of them – the other three are still are out there somewhere.

In July 2007 at night on the outskirts of Angarsk neo-nazis attacked a small environmental antinuclear camp, where there were anarchists and anti-fascists. The outcome: seven injured, one killed – Ilya Borodaenko from Nakhodka. The attackers were arrested at the scene of the crime, but released on parole less than a year later. There hasn’t been a trial yet. Under the currently fashionable “juvenile justice”, consideration is given to the fact that the poor neo-nazi killers were under 18 at the time of the crime, or at least one of them was.

In the spring of 2008 Alexei Krylov was stabbed to death in the centre of Moscow, not far from the Russian presidential administration building. Like Ryukhin, he was going to an anti-fascist punk concert. There were around 15 attackers, and the girl who was with Krylov was also stabbed several times, but she was saved by her backpack, which was cut in several places, and also because she was able to evade some of the blows. Alexei Bychin, without a doubt, knew about all these incidents, as he is part of the same environment as those who were killed. He clearly simply didn’t want to be the next person on the list of victims. But he fell victim to the corporate solidarity of the Petersburg police, who twisted the investigation in such a way that the two neo-nazi thugs became the innocent victims. The result was a sentence of five years in a maximum security prison.

However, the story of street confrontations between fascists and anti-fascists doesn’t end there. In October 2008 Fyodor Filatov, the leader of the anti-racist skinhead group MTS was stabbed to death in the stairwell of his own building. MTS stands for Moscow Trojan Skinheads. It’s worth emphasising once again that not all skinheads in Russia (and the world) are racists and neo-nazis and that the history of the skinhead movement in England began in 1969 with multi-racial groups of young workers. It was only 10 years later, with the beginning of the economic recession and the growth of unemployment, that they began to be recruited by the National Front. Fyodor was also not a racist or neo-nazi; on the contrary, he was an anti-fascist. His four killers have yet to be found. But the secret police were diligent in their pursuit of the anti-fascists: less than a month after Filatov’s murder, his best friend, anti-fascist Alexei Olesinov, a former student of the Moscow State University philosophy faculty, was arrested at home.

On a trumped up charge of fighting with the security guards at the club Kult, he was sent down for a year. There were no injuries in the fight, though it wasn’t even a fight, more of a scuffle, to club property or the security guards, which is incidentally what they themselves stated at the investigation and at the trial. Stanislav Markelov agreed to represent Fyodor Filatov’s relatives in court. He became Olesinov’s defence lawyer, but for understandable reasons (his death on 19 January 2009 from a shot to the head in broad daylight, not far from the Kremlin) he did not appear in court. Olesinov was defended in the final stages by lawyer Mikhail Trepashkin.

I am only listing the anti-fascist victims of neo-nazi terror, not the victims of retaliation attacks. This is for a good reason. Despite the established stereotype that “neo-nazis and anti-fascists are one and the same thing”, Russian, Belarussian and Ukrainian anti-fascists, young men and women of direct action, do not engage in murder. They may rough their enemies up, but they don’t kill. In this sense the murder of the Ukrainian neo-nazi Maxim Chaika in Odessa was the tragic result of neo-nazi actions. 15 neo-nazis attacked 5 anti-fascists, who naturally got out their knives. There were no international conspiracies, no intrigues by Russia or any external forces acting against Ukraine, as President Yushchenko unworthily tried to prove during his election campaign. The war between neo-nazis and their enemies goes on all over the world. Now it has affected Ukraine as well.

In fact, and this is also quite well known, anti-fascists are not the only, or even the main, victims of neo-nazi killings. The main victims are foreigners, immigrants from other Soviet republics, gypsies, representatives of other non-Slavic (I almost said “non-Aryan”) peoples of Russia. The champions of racial and national homogeneity spare no one. Among episodes laid at the door of the Voevodin-Borovikov gang, whose members have been on trial for six months in Petersburg, there are also murders and attempted murders of children. According to press reports (see for example the article by Natalya Shkurenok in “Vremya Novostei” last week), Voevodin is not ashamed to preach neo-nazism to the jury, and sympathizers of the accused appear at hearings with swastika tattoos on their arms and legs (as it’s summer, they can wear shorts to show the Nazi symbol to the people of Petersburg, including survivors of the blockade). During the hearings several members of the gang have brought up episodes that are nothing to do with the case, or accomplices who don’t figure in the case files. The judge usually interrupts the eloquence of the accused to say that these details are unnecessary.

Forgive me for a note of pathos: isn’t this a farce?

At the beginning of August, the jury in the case of the Voevodin gang went on holiday (Borovikov, the son of a high-ranking Petersburg policeman, who was the second man in the criminal organisation was killed when under arrest in 2006).

Also at the beginning of August in the court of appeal the trial of Bychin took place, which is where I began this article. I don’t know where the judges at this hearing were in a hurry to get to – on holiday or to the toilet – but they spoke so unclearly and so quickly that Alexei Bychin’s lawyer Olga Tseitlina didn’t even catch their surnames. The hearing, I repeat, lasted about three minutes. Bychin’s sentence – five years in a maximum security prison – remained in force. For exceeding the limits of justifiable self-defence. At the same time, the accomplices in the murder of Timur Kacharava, with one exception, received laughable prison sentences of one and half, two and two and a half years… Of course, Tseitlina will appeal the sentence (as soon as she receives a copy of the verdict in the post and finds out the names of the judges). But the persistence of the law-enforcement systems in cases where the police esprit de corps has been piqued (in this case the esprit of an OMON trainee who raised his arm in a nazi salute) is also well known.

The day before the trial there was a protest demonstration in support of Alexei Bychin on the embankment of St Peterburg’s Griboyedov Canal. The dummy of a cop hanging from the railings was a clear indication of how young antifascists feel that their government and its legal system play along with the neo-nazis. They will continue to feel this until there is some change in the courts

68 responses to “Putin, Dancing with Neo-Nazis

  1. http://zik.com.ua/ru/news/2009/09/08/195348

    “И если бы такое произошло в России, реакция федеральной власти была бы чрезвычайно жесткой и своевременной”

    Speaking about some (anti-semetic) comments made by the mayor of Uzhorod, this is what the chief rabbi of Russia had to say to the Ukrainian people. Given the above example (and many others documented here at LR), this comment is absurd.

    Does anyone know what the mayor said?

  2. “И если бы такое произошло в России, реакция федеральной власти была бы чрезвычайно жесткой и своевременной” this is very funny :D

  3. It’s really nothing unusal here. OMON recruits those who want to legally brutalize people for living and the motherland, and the NS skinheads are known to use the OMON-owned gyms and training centers.

    Then there are “incidents” like this one here:
    http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1076993.html

    “If they hadn’t done that, everyone would have gone away calmly. The police officers were standing right there when the three skinheads started beating up Gelani. They put handcuffs on him and handed him to [the skinheads]. When I turned around and saw the three of them beating Gelani, I ran and threw one of the skinheads to the side. As soon as I went after the second one, they shot me,” Akhmadov added. “The bullets went through both of my legs, and I fell on my knees. Then they kicked me in the face while I was lying on the ground. Then they threw us in a UAZ patrol jeep. They put Gelani in at the bottom. He was still breathing at that time.”

    • And the Bychin case:

      Anti-Nazi Given Five Years for Stabbing OMON Trainee
      http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=29031

      As of:

      In 2007, a photo of an OMON police officer with the SS (elite Nazi force) logo on his helmet taken during the first local Dissenters’ March caused a controversy when it was published in the Russian edition of Esquire magazine.

      That’s this photo:

      • Btw the SS helmet, I have also seen a photo of an OMON member actually wearing a Waffen-SS helmet (the late-WWII model with distinctive camoflage cover) in Chechnya (he was standing behind a white OMON van, otherwise he had no markings and wore a non-descript Russian military uniform), a corpse of dead Chechen civilian with a large swastika carved in his chests, and so on.

        Prague Watchdog in a recent article:

        During the mop-up operations in Zumsoy and Alleroy they burst into classrooms and staffrooms, tore up the textbooks and teaching manuals and scattered them about, smashed the desks, defecated, wrote obscene slogans on the walls and blackboards, the more innocuous of which were things like “Death to the Nokhchi” [Chechens and Ingushes] and “Heil Hitler.”
        http://www.watchdog.cz/?show=000000-000024-000002-000020&lang=1

        On the use of their bases by the Neo-Nazis who are not the OMON members:

        And Isvestiya reported that “Nazi skinheads from an openly fascist organization, the NNP (People’s National Party), were being trained at the Moscow OMON special-purpose police detachment facilities and that they were being trained specifically by OMON coaches.”
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phillip-martin/neo-nazism-in-russia-was_b_119509.html

        • Lots of Russian troops were giving the nazi salute to the cameras as they rolled into Georgia last year.

          • Not surprising, since a lot of the militia let loose in South Ossetia were Cossacks living up to their time honoured reputation.

            A programe here recently shown in the UK made by Louis Theroux (travelling around Russia) showed a charming encounter with Cossacks. The police militia leader who was promoted during the programme talked freely about his admiration for Hitler and had a copy of Mein Kampf on his bookshelf. On his promotion he was blessed in an Orthodox church, with some of his goons videoing the event in camoflage fatigues. Shirt sleeves rolled up revealed ‘white power’ & neo-Nazi symbols.
            These individuals, with the blessing of the Kremlin, were making the local Turkish minority’s lives a misery.

          • Andrew wrote:
            > Lots of Russian troops were giving the nazi salute to the cameras as they rolled into Georgia last year.

            You are a terrible liar, Andrew. I have caught you at your cheap propagandist lies many times before, and I am doing it again. It is oh so easy. If the Russian troops “were giving the nazi salute to the cameras”, you would have given us a link to one of those numerous “camera” images. But there are none. In fact, if you google for words “russian nazi salute georgia”, here is what you will get:

            http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-US&q=russian+nazi+salute+georgia&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

            The first returned link:

            http://www.rferl.org/content/Russian_Police_Detain_Youths_Chanting_Nazi_Slogans/1338273.html

            Russian Police Detain Youths Chanting Nazi Slogans

            MOSCOW (Reuters) — Russian riot police detained around 500 nationalist protesters after an attempted march in Moscow when some of them gave a Nazi salute and shouted “Heil Hitler.”

            The second returned link is similar. And the third is:

            https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2009/09/08/putin-dancing-with-neo-nazis/
            Putin, Dancing with Neo-Nazis
            La Russophobe

            This very page. In other words, the only mention of this mysterious “nazi salute” belongs to you. You should be proud: your lie made it to number 3 in the entire WWW universe!

            Tell me, Andrew, do you think that your constant impersonations of Dr. Goebbels will help spread russophobia around the World? Or is it that you, like most other russo- and xeno- phobes in general, derive a personal pleasure from lying?

            • Look here retard boy.

              You will see a few of them doing it in this video.

              Try watching it butt-plug, or are you too busy molesting little boys (a common habit for both Greeks and Russians)?

              • Andrew wrote:
                > Try watching it butt-plug, or are you too busy molesting little boys (a common habit for both Greeks and Russians)?

                I guess LR is determined to ban all bigots, except for those who declare hatred towards Russians and Greeks. They are even allowed to be open homophobes.

                BTW, why such preoccupation with homophobia and butt-plugs today, Andrew? Did your doctor use a microscope again to search for your penis at your annual exam?

              • Andrew,

                First of all, the man, who appears on a photo with his arm forward in this home-made anti-russian video, doesn’t look Russian to me. His strong facial features and his look are not Slavic. He looks Jewish or American or Georgian. Possibly Ossetian, but certainly not Russian. I am not an expert on uniforms, but his uniform is NOT Russian. Certainly, his helmet is DEFINITELY not Russian. This is probably a photo of a tank man from some army other than Russian.

                But in any case, he is not giving a Nazi salute. This soldier is stretching his arm straight forward, which is a tank drivers’ signal to slow down the tank. The Nazi salute is forward-and-up:


                Hitler giving the Nazi salute

                But if you want to look at a photo of a man who is **really** giving the same Nazi salute the same way that Hitler does, look no further than Saakashvili at a chauvinist rally:

                So, stop falsifications. Give me a photo of an identifiably Russian tank soldier in Georgia with a Nazi salute.

                Otherwise, Saakashvili will remain the only man photographed giving a Nazi salute.

                • @Michael Tal

                  “But in any case, he is not giving a Nazi salute. This soldier is stretching his arm straight forward, which is a tank drivers’ signal to slow down the tank. The Nazi salute is forward-and-up:


                  Hitler giving the Nazi salute”

                  Haha. Here, Hitler “is stretching his arm straight forward, which is a car drivers’ signal to slow down the car”:

                  Here, “Hitler is giving a sign for everyone in the rally to slow down”:

                  Here, the Sochi… I mean, the Berlin Olympics crowd is answering “but Mein Fuhrer, you should slow down too”:

                  Hitler sez: “OK we’re off to Blitzkrieg, but remember: nice and slowly”:

                  ;)

                • Now, as you “what is Hitler salute” claims were answered,

                  @First of all, the man, who appears on a photo with his arm forward in this home-made anti-russian video, doesn’t look Russian to me. His strong facial features and his look are not Slavic. He looks Jewish or American or Georgian. Possibly Ossetian, but certainly not Russian. I am not an expert on uniforms, but his uniform is NOT Russian. Certainly, his helmet is DEFINITELY not Russian. This is probably a photo of a tank man from some army other than Russian.

                  First of all, the man is not “tank man”. Try to spot a “tank man” in this post-Soviet army:

                  Now, they use various helmets (and roughly 100 uniform/camoflage patterns).

                  But I guess it’ this one:

                  • (“Hitler salutes” are awaiting moderation.)

                    • I am sorry, Robert, but I have no idea what your point is. You show some Russian soldiers without any helmets amd looking nothing like the man in the photo again and again. What’s the realtion? That all soldiers around the World wear camouflage uniforms? Duh.

                      Let me repeat my question again: can you demostrate that this man is a **Russain** army soldier and not a soldier of some 80 other armies of “white” ethnicity?

                      > To show you how a crew member in post-Soviet army looks like.

                      “Post-Soviet”? So, he can belong to any of the 15 post-Soviet armies, including even Georgian?

                      So, why do you claim that he is Rusian?

                      And what about the 5-point star in his lapel?

                  • Robert, you wrote:
                    > Now, as you “what is Hitler salute” claims were answered

                    Answered where?

                    > (”Hitler salutes” are awaiting moderation.)

                    In any case, i am not sure what your posts of Georgian soldiers on a tank and other link are trying to prove? That the man in the video is probably a Georgian soldier?

                    Not one of your links proves that this man in the photo in the video is Russian and not, say, Georgian. In fact, none of the other uniforms are like his uniform.

                    A hint may come from him wearing a 5-point star on his lapel. Which armies, other than the Ameircan, wear this? Does Russian?

                    • Actually Tal, yes they do.

                      Have a look at Russian military badges, still lots of stars dickhead.

                    • Furthermore, his photo of the Georgian troops was to educate you in the standard soviet (and post soviet) tank crews helmet.

                      You really are completely uneducated in military matters Mr Tal.

                      http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008176782_russ13.html

                    • “Answered where?

                      > (”Hitler salutes” are awaiting moderation.)”

                      Yes, there. Be patient.

                      @In any case, i am not sure what your posts of Georgian soldiers on a tank and other link are trying to prove? That the man in the video is probably a Georgian soldier?

                      To show you how a crew member in post-Soviet army looks like.

                      @Not one of your links proves that this man in the photo in the video is Russian and not, say, Georgian. In fact, none of the other uniforms are like his uniform.

                      Yawn.

                      Russia’s 1 million camoflages (these men are from the same units):

                      What you call “tank man” goggles:

                      And the uniform pattern (notice his trouses are in pattern of the other guy’s headscarf in the original photo):

                      All photos are from the second Chechnya.

                    • It means he is a Junior Lieutenant (младший лейтенант)

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_ranks_and_insignia_of_the_Russian_Federation

                      Try again Michael, like I said, you are an ignorant fool when it comes to military matters, please stop your lies and pollution of this blog.

                      BTW, compare with the NATO (US in particular rank) badges

                    • And here is the field version, note all the 5 pointed stars of these rank insignia of the Russian Federation!!!

                      http://www.uniforminsignia.net/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=1292

                    • What the US Army logo now looks like now:

                      It’s not white.

                      Oh, and:

                      @His strong facial features and his look are not Slavic. He looks Jewish or American or Georgian. Possibly Ossetian, but certainly not Russian.

                      I love your racial theories. You’re right, nobody in Russia can have such “un-Slavic” look. “Certainly” must be an American (no people with “strong facial features” there), Israeli or Georgian (possibly Ossetian).

                    • Andrew, stop wasting my time. You have given me no pictures of Russian soldiers wearing a star in their LAPELS like that guy in the photo.

                      Given that a knowledgeble and more honest man – Robert – is talking to me on htis topic, please don’t mess up our conversation with your usual childish nonsense.

                    • @A hint may come from him wearing a 5-point star on his lapel. Which armies, other than the Ameircan, wear this? Does Russian?

                      Actually, only Russian.

                      And NOT the American:

                  • ONCE AGAIN MR TAL.

                    The star on his shoulder denotes his RUSSIAN rank of Junior Lieutenant in the Russian Federal Forces.

                    http://www.uniforminsignia.net/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=1292

                    Really you are a lying cretin.

                • Certainly not Georgian with those facial features, or Ossetian.

                  He is most certainly just another slav murderer.

                  As for Saakashvili, well once again you show your retardation, he is waving to the crowd.

                  Also interesting to note that the areas that voted most overwhelmingly for him in the last election were the predominantly Armenian region Samtskhe Javakheti. He is also very popular with Azeri Georgians.

                  Try again Tal.

                  BTW, I expect an apology for your lying dribble about the helmets as pointed out by Robert.

                  Really Tal, all you do is lie and falsify, but what can we expect from a lying Russian such as yourself. Its a “cultural” thing I guess.

                  • Bull, Andrew. This man with a big hooked nose and strong chin is as non-Slavic as white people can get.

                    > Saakashvili is waving to the crowd.

                    Yes, he is waving to the crowd with a Nazi salute.

                    Look, what evidence do you have that the man (of whatever nationality) in that photo is trying to give a Nazi salute? His gesture is part of many military traffic control signals:

                    In fact, just look at the American military manual on commands:

                    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/19-25/APPC.htm

                    Military
                    Appendix C
                    Traffic Point Control

                    There are seemingly dozens such signals that look exactly like this guy’s gesture and/or like the Nazi salute.

                    Stop Traffic From the Right
                    Stop Traffic From the Left
                    Stop Traffic From the Front
                    Stop Traffic From the Rear
                    Direct Traffic From the Left to Turn Right
                    Direct Traffic From the Right to Turn Right
                    Direct Traffic From the Right To Turn Left
                    Change the Flow of Traffic
                    Direct Traffic From the Right To Turn Right
                    Direct Traffic From the Left To Turn Left

                    Or look at this US manual:

                    http://www.fcrc.org/hand/
                    Figure 2-23
                    Figure 2-25
                    Figure 2-29 Disperse
                    Figure 2-46 Traveling

                    In all of these, a forward outstreched arm is part of the motion.

                    If the photo of Saakashvili doing a Nazi salute can mean that he is waving, why can’t the photo of that soldier also mean htat he is signalling?

                    • But Tal, he is not an American, or a Georgian for that matter.

                      He is wearing a Russian helmet, he has Russian rank insignia on his lapel, he has one of the myriad Russian camouflage patterns on his uniform, and those around him certainly look Russian.

                      BTW, Russians can have hook noses too, not to mention strong chins. Are you a neo-nazi eugenicist Michael? Or maybe just a Kapo.

        • Robert wrote:
          > I have also seen a photo of an OMON member actually wearing a Waffen-SS helmet

          And I have also seen a photo of a British Prince wearing an Nazi uniform:

          Given the historical pro-Nazi and anti-Russian activity of the British Monarchy, it was a natural act, but this boy should have done this in public:

          http://american_almanac.tripod.com/naziroot.htm

          The Nazi Roots of the House of Windsor

          by Scott Thompson
          Printed in The American Almanac, August 25, 1997

          One of the biggest public relations hoaxes ever perpetrated by the British Crown, is that King Edward VIII, who abdicated the throne in 1938, due to his support for the Nazis, was a “black sheep,” an aberration in an otherwise unblemished Windsor line. Nothing could be further from the truth. The British monarchy, and the City of London’s leading Crown bankers, enthusiastically backed Hitler and the Nazis, bankrolled the Führer’s election, and did everything possible to build the Nazi war machine, for Britain’s planned geopolitical war between Germany and Russia.

          Support for Nazi-style genocide has always been at the heart of House of Windsor policy, and long after the abdication of Edward VIII, the Merry Windsors maintained their direct Nazi links. So, when Prince Philip, co-founder with Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), tells an interviewer that he hopes to be “reincarnated as a deadly virus” to help solve the “population problem,” he is just “doin’ what comes naturally” for any scion of the Anglo-Dutch oligarchy

          • Hmmm, that explains King George VI being an anti-fascist then, and the various members of the British Royal family that actively fought against both nazism and its evil twin communism.

            Also retard boy Phobophobe (more realisticly called butt-plug from now on) forgets that George VI was a supporter of forcing Edward VII to abdicate precisely because of his older brothers support for fascism.

            Oh, and by the way, the party that Harry attended was themed heroes and villains, as stated at the time, he was attending as a villain.

            I have seen plenty of people attend such fancy dress parties as nazi’s or communists.

            Once again butt-plug, you need to grow up.

          • @> I have also seen a photo of an OMON member actually wearing a Waffen-SS helmet
            And I have also seen a photo of a British Prince wearing an Nazi uniform

            While as a soldier in Iraq?

          • @an Nazi

            Please become an hero.

  4. “Bychin took out a knife and stabbed one of them. The nazi sympathizers were not morally prepared for the knife and fled. The girls sighed with relief.”

    It sounds SO-O-O grossly hypocritical.

    I am on your side, Larussophobe, but sometimes it seems, that you have to better evaluate what goes to print.

    I have seen some of those so called “anti-Fascists”. If you want to hear my opinion – they are Fascists themselves. Only the Red ones.

    LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:

    The fact that you felt compelled to comment is pretty good proof that this piece absolutely needed to go into print. It’s silly to suggest that we have to agree with or comment on every item we print. Our readers are more than intelligent enough to figure things out for themselves.

  5. Gordon wrote:
    > Does anyone know what the mayor of Uzhgorod said?

    He said that some politician, Arseni Yatsenyuk, was “an impudent little “zhid” (kike)”. And when criticised for these words, he explained: “I am trying to protect Jews from pogroms that are coming for sure, because half of Ukraine goes to sleep hungry”. He also heavily injured a girl volunteer from Yatsenyuk’s party, landing her in a hospital with a brain injury:

    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/930241
    http://www.2000.net.ua/news/8/120764

    I am sure that you, russophobes, don’t see anything wrong with your fellow judophobes. Especially when it comes to Ukraine, where judophobia and russophobia are virtually indistinguishable these days, as the unpopular President Yuschenko has to rely on extremist nationalists for support. No wonder Ukrainian nationalist propagandists ruthlessly parody the term “Holocaust” by writing Golodomor as “Holodomor”, and at the opening ceremony for a monument to the Victims of Golodomor in the city of Zaporizhie, the invited speaker, representing a major party from Yuschenko’s coalitions – Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists – gloated:

    “Our time has come! Soon the Dnieper River will be red with the blood of Moskals (Russians)and Zhids (Kikes)!”

    http://www.cripo.com.ua/?sect_id=10&aid=45477

    He also called for the demolition of all birch and spruce trees, which he referred to as “Moskal trees”.

    You know, the retarded mentality that is also typical to other bigots, including you, les russophobes, in this forum.

  6. Robert,

    Since we have run out indentations, let me repeat my main questions:

    1. What armies wear the exactly same stars on their lapels as does this man? Please give me a photo of a Russian soldier with this kind of a lapel.

    2. What evidence do you have that this man is without a doubt a Russian soldier, and that he cannot belong to some other post-Soviet or some other army in the world? Why do you claim that he can be Russian and only Russain?

    And please, give a logical and succinct argument.

    Thank you.

  7. @I am sorry, Robert, but I have no idea what your point is. You show some Russian soldiers without any helmets amd looking nothing like the man in the photo again and again

    I SHOED YOU THIS RUSSIAN HELMET ALREADY.

    And here’s a bonus one:

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2670&d=1140028802

    (Russian Marines)

    And here with no cover:

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16636&d=1162757193

    Now I showed you the camo patterns:

    Binus: Trouses – headscarf in the YouTube photo.

    I just did.

  8. Andrew wrote:
    > ONCE AGAIN MR TAL. The star on his shoulder denotes his RUSSIAN rank of Junior Lieutenant in the Russian Federal Forces.

    Andrew,

    Yes, you have repeated this idiotic argument many-many times.

    Unfortunately for you, this man has no stars on his SHOULDER.

    He has a very peculiar star on his LAPEL, with a circular ornament around it.

    Robert and I are trying to figure out which army wears this in their lapels.

    Since you can’t tell a shoulder from a lapel, please stop wasting our time and let me talk to Robert.

    • @and let me talk to Robert.

      Well, now there are 3 of my comments awaiting moderation.

      So maybe I’ll try again in short. The helmet, on new pictures (because I showed you 3 already):

      http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16636&d=1162757193

      http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2670&d=1140028802

      The uniform (the other soldier’s scarf pattern, too), reposting:

      Russian regulars’ unifrom discipline in Georgia (Spetsnaz Battalion Vostok):

      • OK. Now looks at the Russia’s 1 million camoflage patterns – and these team/squad-mates’ (lack of ) uniform discipline (or maybe it’s just because their logistic sucks on in the war):

        http://yfrog.com/1392287893jx

        Now also look at how even a general has a mismatched uniform, and how this dude is compesnating for something (hint: OMON/HOMO are no “spetsnaz”, even Google translates this word as “riot police”), and how “Slavic” this one looks:

        • And some more, still. I guess you get my point?

          So, what constitutes a “Russian uniform” in war zone? EVERYTHING is or may be a “Russian uniform” (including civilian shoes, caps, trouses, jackets and other elements). And they are rarely weaing visible insignia identyfying them as Russian soldiers, too.

          How do they identify themselves and don’t fire on each other all the time? Well, if you see the pictures from Georgia you’ll see they’re often wearing… small white armbands for identification.

          CNN misunderstood this:

          A CNN producer outside the capital, Tbilisi, on Friday saw some Russian soldiers making slight changes to their military uniforms — adding a white armband to appear as peacekeepers.
          http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/23/russia.georgia.withdrawal/index.html

          An irregular fighter in tennis shoes and mismatched fatigues looked on, cradling a Kalashnikov. A white armband identified him as one of an unknown number of pro-Russian “volunteers,” who poured into Georgia after the fighting started.
          http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ayvE6rQoQ0Yo

          No, it was when the white armband became THE Russian uniform.

          • Btw,

            @pro-Russian “volunteers”

            I think Bloomberg identyfying a Russian coming from Russia to fight for Russia as “pro-Russian” (instead of just “Russian”) is completely retarded (even more than assumption than he’s certainly a “irregular fighter”, and not some regular member of this rabble “army”).

            So, a Russian unifrom now is this armband:

            (notice lack of any other visible insignias)

            For a comparison, Georgian soldiers (no irregulars were used at all) were clearly labeled using a national flag and other insignias:

  9. Oh one more question for Robert:

    What evidence do you have that this man is definitely giving a Nazi salute and cannot be phtographed while giving one of many possible hand signals?

    • @What evidence do you have that this man is definitely giving a Nazi salute and cannot be phtographed while giving one of many possible hand signals?

      Haha. “What evidence do you have that this man [Georgian president] is definitely giving a Nazi [Roman] salute and cannot be phtographed while giving one of many possible hand signals” or just raising his hand in a random greeting?

      Oh, and yeah. Hitler salute (as usually displayed by Hitler himself) is different than the Roman salute. See my links above.

      Now, Mussolini salute:

      And the Hitler’s salute vs the Italians’:

      Btw, Roman salute is actually still used for example in Lebanon, by Shias:

      and Christians alike (Phalange).

  10. > the man is not “tank man”.

    Indeed he is not. The reason why I assumed he was is because Andrew claimed that he gave his salute as he “rolled into Georgia”. So, I asssumed that he was rolling on a tank. But it looks like Andrew lied even there: he was not “rolling”. He is just standing on his feet only-god-knows-where, doing only-god-knows-what for only-god-knows-what-country.

  11. Robert,

    About faces. Interestingly enough, my recognition of facial types is not racial or ethnic. It is cultural.

    For example, when I am in Brooklyn walking among Jews, I can immediately tell an ex-Russian/Ukrainian Jew from an American-born Jew. Yes, racially we are the same. Their ancestors too came from Russia 100 years ago.

    Similarly, I can tell an American of Russian descent from a Russian. They look nothing like each other. An American of Russian descent looks like all other Americans from northern countries.

    But there is something in the facial expression that sets us apart. Maybe Russians have a less self-assured, less confident look; maybe we have “milder”, more humble expressions; maybe 100 other things. But the fact remains: I can tell a Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusan from foreigners with a 99.9% accuracy. I work like a radar. And many other Russians do too.

    So, when you give me links to all those other soldiers, I can tell that they are indeed Russian, even if their uniforms are not recognizable. Similarly, the guy in the video giving the “finger”, looks Russian, so I am not going to argue.

    But the guy with his arm going forward – he has a look of a non-Russian: very confident, very un-Russian. I can’t really tell you how my radar works, but it works perfectly. There is no way that a man, who grew up in Russia, can have this look on his face.

    And since there is nothing else in the picture or his uniform that proves that he is with the Russian army – then you have no proof that he is Russian. None.

    • @”But the guy with his arm going forward – he has a look of a non-Russian: very confident, very un-Russian. I can’t really tell you how my radar works, but it works perfectly. There is no way that a man, who grew up in Russia, can have this look on his face.”

      What absolute drivel (as usual rom a Kapo like Michael Tal).

      So youn are syaing that the servicemen of the Russian army have no self confidence, as for Russians being humble or showing humility, well the arrogant swaggering Russian is more recognised by foreigners than a “humble” Russian.

      What crud.

      • Andrew,

        Nothing personal, but I really cannot explain to you or anybody else what it is about Russia/USSR-born people that allows me to recognise them with 99.9% accuracy.

        However, if you want to have a discussion with me, I have posted a new reply to you about Andrei Sakharov’s support for Ossetian independence and Vasili Abayev, who you claim supports Georgian occupation of Ossetia:

        https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/a-call-to-arms-in-europe-on-georgia/

        Do you have anything to reply to me with?

        Andrei Sakharov’s views on independence are surely more important than the nationality of some guy in some photo giving some hand signal, especially since there is no way to assertain which army he serves in and what signal he was making when the photographer snapped his picture.

    • He is a member of the “Russian Land Forces” the lapel badge is the “Star in Wreath” (NOT A CIRCLE)

      http://www.tridentarms.com/RUSSIANMILITARIA/Russian.collar.insignia.html

      (it is no 18 on the list “18.Russian land forces(star in wreath).Subdued metal with
      prongs for camouflage uniform”)

      He is wearing Russian camo, wearing a Russian helmet, and has the usual arrogance associated with Russians on his face.

      A Russian through and through.

      • That’s more like it. That loooks indeed like that! Good detective work!

        Share with me: what technique did you use when you searched to find it? I couldn’t find any images of that star on the Internet.

        Still, this picture seems to be of some Russian (and Asian in the background)officers standing around in the middle of nowhere, away from public. Clearly, the guy wasn’t provoking the “croud” with a Nazi salute. he was making some hand signal. If you are so good at searching, try to find the video of Russian military hand signals to see in which of these signals the arm goes through a palm-down forward motion.

        Look, if Saakashvili’s photo with a Nazi salute can be part of his motion of waving to the crowd, why can’t the officiers “salute” be part of a hand signal motion?

        In any case, let’s discuss Sakahrov and Abaev.

        • Well phobodunce, it’s not hard really.

          They are called collars on military uniforms, hence you look for “collar badges”.

          The shoulder boards are called “lapels” in military parlance (hence my confusion when you used the term lapel).

          Anyway here is the simple google search.

          http://images.google.co.nz/images?hl=en&rlz=1T4GFRB_enNZ238NZ243&um=1&sa=1&q=russian+star+wreath+collar&aq=f&oq=&start=0

          BTW, still waiting for your apology.

          • I asked for evidence that this guy was Russian. You gave it to me. I am convinced. You were right on that one.

            • But Phobodunce/Ostap Bender/Michael, you said there was no way he could be a Russian did you not?

              Did you not say “But the guy with his arm going forward – he has a look of a non-Russian: very confident, very un-Russian. I can’t really tell you how my radar works, but it works perfectly. There is no way that a man, who grew up in Russia, can have this look on his face.”??

              So, as usual you were lying.

              Apology time.

  12. It’s not in a circle, its a star in a wreath.

    It is a hangover from the Red Army.

    http://www.tridentarms.com/RUSSIANMILITARIA/Russian.collar.insignia.html

    (it is no 18 on the list “18.Russian land forces(star in wreath).Subdued metal with
    prongs for camouflage uniform”)

    So Russian serviceman. In a Russian uniform, with a Russian helmet, wearing a Russian army badge on his collar.

    Time for you to make an apology Michael.

  13. @”Post-Soviet”? So, he can belong to any of the 15 post-Soviet armies, including even Georgian?

    No, that he’s no “tank [crew]man”. That’s the basics.

    Russian tanker helmet looks like that:

    Again Chechnya. And again, no insignia whatsoever. But that’s normal in this “army”.

    For a comprison, in a real army a tankist looks like that:

    He’s wearing his “US Army” identification, his rank, even a tag with his name.

    Oh, and another photo of the Russian “army”. Which one of these do you think is “Russian uniform”?

    Only one of all these guys is wearing ANY insignia (a shoulder patch). That’s typical.

  14. @Indeed he is not. The reason why I assumed he was is because Andrew claimed that he gave his salute as he “rolled into Georgia”. So, I asssumed that he was rolling on a tank. But it looks like Andrew lied even there: he was not “rolling”.

    What I mean, he’s a “tank man” (or “APC man” or whatever you’d invent now) because he is an infantryman. Or a “motor[ised]-rifle[man]” to be precise (using the Russian term).

    Also, my posts regarding of how Hitler saluted the “Hitler salute” are avaible now.

    Or maybe just Hitler just seriously wanted not to slow everyone down, who knows (“god-knows-what”).

    • Ah, and one more thing. I see you didn’t even bother to see any of the (so-called) “Russian uniform” pictures I uploaded for you?

      That’s disappointing me, because I think it’s cute how colorful this “army” is.

      Also, I wonder what your not-so perfect “radar” tells you about this sniper/sharpshooter?

      http://img444.imageshack.us/i/photo012v.jpg/

      • Well, I saw your first link – that of the Georgian army – and saw how colourful that was, so I assume the other ones are just as colourful.

  15. Robert wrote:
    > For a comparison, in a real army a tankist looks like that: http://www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/newsphoto/2005-04/050330-N-6501M-003.jpg

    But how can you even compare?! It’s like comparing the Czechoslovak army and the Nazi army in WW2. Russia spends about 6% of what USA spends on defence. The Russian army is funded for the goals of defending Russia and a dozen other small ex-Soviet republics. The American army is funded for the goal of World dominance.

    Of course, the US army is “the real army”. USA spends on warmongering more than the rest of the World combined. USA can defeat the entire World. As any Neocon will tell you, this is the New American Century. USA is the first country in history that can single handedly rule the rest of the World. And when the Republicans return to power, USA will.

    Neither Alexander the Great nor Napoleon nor Hitler had superiority over the rest of the World. USA does. Truly, Pentagon has full hegemony over the Planet and can fulfill any wish that Exxon or BP would ask of them. Occupy any country. Wrestle control over any pipeline.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

    The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that lasted from early 1997 to 2006. It was co-founded as a non-profit educational organization by conservatives William Kristol and Robert Kagan. The PNAC’s stated goal was “to promote American global leadership.”[1] Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that “American leadership is both good for America and good for the world” and support for “a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity.”[2] The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration’s development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War.[3][4]

    US world dominance (“American Empire”)

    According to critics, PNAC promoted American “hegemony” and “full-spectrum” dominance in its publications.[26][27][28][29] Ebrahim Afsah, published in the German Law Journal, cited Jochen Bölsche’s view that the goal of the PNAC was world dominance or global hegemony by the United States.[30][31] According to Bölsche, Rebuilding America’s Defenses “was developed by Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and Libby, and is devoted to matters of ‘maintaining US pre-eminence, thwarting rival powers and shaping the global security system according to US interests.'”[30][31]

    William Rivers Pitt, editorial director of Progressive Democrats of America, wrote, in an editorial published by Truthout.org, that PNAC was motivated by an imperial agenda of US military expansionism, which would bring negative side effects to ordinary citizens of the United States, while enriching some industries: “defense contractors who sup on American tax revenue will be handsomely paid for arming this new American empire.”[32]
    George Monbiot, a political activist from the United Kingdom, stated: “…to pretend that this battle begins and ends in Iraq requires a willful denial of the context in which it occurs. That context is a blunt attempt by the superpower to reshape the world to suit itself.”[33]

    Associations with Bush administration
    After the election of George W. Bush in 2000, a number of PNAC’s members or signatories were appointed to key positions within the President’s administration:

    Dick Cheney Vice President
    Donald Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense
    Paul Wolfowitz Deputy Secretary of Defense
    John R. Bolton U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
    Elliott Abrams Special Assistant to the President
    Richard Armitage Deputy Secretary of State
    Eliot A. Cohen Member of the Defense Policy Advisory Board
    Paula Dobriansky Under-Secretary of State for Global Affairs (2001-2007)
    Zalmay Khalilzad U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan, U.S. Ambassador to Iraq U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
    I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby Chief of Staff to the Vice President Dick Cheney
    Richard Perle Chairman of the Board, Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee
    Peter W. Rodman Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security
    Robert B. Zoellick 11th President of the World Bank

    • @But how can you even compare?! It’s like comparing the Czechoslovak army and the Nazi army in WW2. Russia spends about 6% of what USA spends on defence.

      BAWWWWW, cry more. The USA has twice as many citiziens and a real economy. It also has a real army, and not a bunch of literally poor guys (but led by a horde of comically obese corrupt generals), whose only actual uniform (that is besides their new parade circus uniforms) is a small white armband, and who are prone to defect (“get kidnapped”) and trade their military secrets in exchange for political asylum and a Big Mac. And so on, like (for example) fewer nuclear weapons (and no bio and chemical weapons), yet much more accurate and actually working because well maintained.

      Oh, and now compare, say, how good is the health care (like for example tubercolosis rates) or maybe just general living standards in Russia and in America.

    • Oh, and the Czechoslovak Army had actual (standardized) uniforms.

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