EDITORIAL: Russia Today, wallowing in the Gutter

EDITORIAL

 Russia Today, wallowing in the Gutter

The Navy proves UFOs are real!  They’ve landed, and we’ll tell you where they are! They’re everywhere!!

Scientists invent a camera that sees your soul!

Hairdresser turns robber into sex slave!

You may think we are recounting recent headlines from The National Enquirer, but we’re not.  These are the “new stories” offered to “readers” by the Kremlin’s online propaganda machine “Russia Today.”

You know, the publication that thinks five of ten silliest things said by world politicians in history were said by Americans, and that the one said by a Russian was a knee-slapper by Stalin about mass murder.  That Russia Today.

The reason for this kind of “reporting” by RT is really quite simple:  To generate web traffic.  Write about UFOs and sex slaves and the world of web lunatics will beat a path to your door, raising your profile on search engines and helping make you seem far more significant than you are.  Write normal things about life in Russia, and you’ll be largely ignored because, quite frankly, most of the world couldn’t care less about Russia.

There simply are no words which can describe the appalling dung heap that is Russia Today, and that may be part of its strategy. If it churns out lies and garbage at a sufficiently high rate, nobody will be able to keep up with it all and, inevitably, some of it will be consumed by an unwary public.

Linking Stalin’s statement that “life has become better, life has become more fun!” to Bill Clinton’s statement that “I would never approach a small-breasted woman” is appalling.  It is an effort to rationalize one of history’s most venal and murderous dictators, one of the worst enemies Russia has ever had if not the very worst, so that Russia’s current ruler can emulate more of his policies without facing criticism.  As such, just as did the actions of the Soviet Politburo, it strikes at the very heart of Russian survival.

The collection of freaks and lowlifes from the West that Russia Today has hired to serve as its mouthpieces is a clear testament to the fact that Russia Today cannot succeed any more than could the doomed propaganda efforts of Stalin himself. But in the short term, Russia Today contributes mightily to the even further worsening of Russia’s reputation in the West and inevitably it will mislead some unwary people and delay the fall of the Putin regime. For that, history will condemn RT just as it condemns Stalin.

34 responses to “EDITORIAL: Russia Today, wallowing in the Gutter

  1. Actually, # 10 is not silly at all. The kremlinoids would not understand intentional dry humor.

    • LES, being a Ukrainian, you must be an expert on “dry humour”. You’ve seen so much of it.

      For example, when during their routine exercises, the incompetent Ukrainian air defences accidentally shot down a civilian Russian airliner flying Tel Aviv – Novosibirsk, killing 78 people, mostly Israeli and Siberian Jews, on October 4, 2001, the Ukrainian President first tried to deny this, but when facing an irrefutable proof, he said the following about the tragic and senseless death of 78 human beings: “Let’s not make a tragedy out of this…” I also recall that at that time, one of the excuses that President of
      Ukraine gave for this mistake in one of his speeches, given in his native Russian language, was that the written instructions for the usage of the S-200 missiles were in a weird foreign language, which no one in Ukraine understood: Russian. I am not kidding!

      http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.russian/browse_frm/thread/15313939b72a3c85/cf1ab8b6e041089f

      Another piece of dry humour was when the official US State Department spokesman, when asked about prospects of NATO cooperating with the Ukrainian military, replied:

      http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.yugoslavia/browse_frm/thread/a9fe975d65b945bd/c035781b429c5df8
      > http://www.thepost.kiev.ua/
      > U.S. State Department spokesman James Rubin, in a much-publicized guffaw, said on May 2 that the last thing that would help NATO peacekeeping is “a bunch of Ukrainians running around with guns “

  2. I watch RT as a “fashion TV”, love Russian girls… even if they are dumb, brainwashed… they still might be hot. That is all RT is good for, as for the men hosts.. they make me sick…

  3. You ask “Who is Robert Bridge”? I will tell you. He is a highly intelligent yet mysterious fellow who I met about 7 years ago in Moscow. From what I gather, he never sleeps, is extremely reticent, and apparently switched to Islam from Christianity. He apparently has 3 wives and something like 10 children. Like I said, very strange character. He’s also a first or second-degree black belt in jujitsu. Tread carefully with this one!

  4. Thank you for this editorial! Bravo!!!

  5. Actually, let’s look at Stalin’s remark:

    > 4. “Life has become better, life has become more fun!” [«Жить стало лучше, жить стало веселее!»] Josef Stalin. The irony of this phrase is that he said it at the peak of mass repressions organized by him at the end of 1930s.”

    People think it is a lie. But it isn’t. What you have to understand is that Stalin was speaking about himself. What he said was that seeing hundreds of thousands of his opponents die in repressssions made his own life “better and more fun”. And who can deny that murdering his opponents as well as innocent people made Stalin a very happy camper?

  6. Stalin was hardly the only Georgian leader to make notorious hatemongering sayings. Here are a few others:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_for_Georgians

    Georgia for Georgians

    Georgia for Georgians is a political slogan and ethno-nationalist doctrine attributed to Zviad Gamsakhurdia, the first President of the Republic of Georgia, and his supporters. One of Gamsakhurdia citations, concerning the demographical situation of Georgia’s Kakhetia region, was “[subversive minorities] should be chopped up, they should be burned out with a red-hot iron from the Georgian nation…. We will deal with all the traitors, hold all of them to proper account, and drive [out] all the evil enemies and non-Georgians…!”[11][12]

    Gamsakhurdia’s electoral platform proposed following measures to “protect” Georgian state and ethnos:[17][18][19][20]

    Mixed marriages would be discouraged,
    Citizenship restricted to people who could prove residence prior to Russia’s “annexation” of Georgia in 1801,
    Property rights would be limited to people who voted for national independence in a referendum in April,
    “Georgia for Christian Georgians” was promoted despite the official separation of church and state.

    Gamsakhurdia based his ethnic policy on distinguishing between those he labeled “indigenous” and “settlers”, or “temporary guests”, which led Soviet dissident and academic Andrey Sakharov to call Georgia the “little empire”.[21] The more than 1.5 million ethnic minorities who lived in Georgia were to considered to be the major threat to the Georgian people, which also resulted in anti-Islamic propaganda being published in the media.[21]

    Gamsakhurdia views towards role of minorities in Georgian history are characterised by multiple citations like the following: “Today, we are facing a serious problem. Tatars[22], Armenians and Ossetians have risen to their feet. We must save from foreigners Kakhetia – our holy land!”

    At a political rally in 1989 in the village of Eredvi, Gamsakhurdia described the Ossetian people as “trash that has to be swept out through a tunnel”,[23] and in 1991 told foreign reporters that Georgia’s Ossetians were unwanted “guests” who should “go back” to North Ossetia.[17]

    In Georgia, the slogan Abkhazia is Georgia was also used, although Georgia for Georgians was the more popular. Protesters at mass rallies in 1989 demanded the abolition of autonomy for Abkhazia and South Ossetia and Gamsakhurdia told West Georgians in an address that he planned to assimilate or oust Abkhazians from their land. Liana Kvarchelia claims his policies found little criticism in the Georgian community, rather the image painted by Gamsakhurdia of an enemy united Georgian society in the midst of internal political struggle

    The Meskhetian Turks who during the Great Patriotic War were deported by Stalin to Central Asia, were unable to return to Georgia under the “Georgia for Georgians” policy. Svetlana Chervonnaya in a report for the Federal Union of European Nationalities stated that although there was a small repatriation of Meskhetian Turks to the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic in the 1970s and 1980s, Georgia for Georgians de facto led to a second deportation from Georgia, and cited the example of a Meskhet settlement in the Zulukidse region which was destroyed in 1990, and has still not been rebuilt.[26]

    Azeris, numbering 600,000, received no representation in the Georgian parliament, and many were forced to move from the land on which they had lived for centuries.[21]

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    http://circassianworld.blogspot.com/2008/10/video-gia-karkarashvili-georgian.html

    http://wwwDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=XzvtaZIMy98

    VIDEO: Gia Karkarashvili, the Georgian Commander-in-Chief on TV threatens the Abkhazian nation with genocide

    The Georgian general leading the invading forces in the autumn of 1992, Georgiy (Gia) Karkarashvili, stated on TV that he would sacrifice 100,000 Georgians to kill all 97,000 Abkhazians, if that is what it took to keep Georgia’s borders inviolate.

    – This threat was even reported in the Georgian newspaper 7 dghe 7 Days (No.31, 4-10 September 1992, p.3): ”On 25 August Gia Karkarashvili, general of the National Guard stationed in western Georgia appeared on Abkhazian television. He issued an ultimatum to the Abkhazian side: if within 24 hours they should not lay down their arms and hand themselves over to members of the State Council, the Abkhazians would have no-one left to carry on their race: 100,000 Georgians would be sacrificed for the 97,000 Abkhazians, but Georgias borders would remain in tact.”

    – And also ‘UNPO Abkhazia Report’ November 1992, Chapter b. Human Rights and Cultural Destruction.”(PDF File) …Additionally, the Commander-in-chief of Georgian troops in Abkhazia, General Georgiy Karkarashvili warned in a televised formal address to the Abkhaz and Georgian people in Sukhumi on August 24, that no prisoners of war will be taken by the Georgian troops, that if 100,000 Georgian lose their lives, then [on the Abkhazian side] all 97,000 will be killed; and that the Abkhaz Nation will be left without descendants. The delegation saw a video recording of this ominous speech.’

    – Central Asian Survey, 12(3), (1993), p.338

    – BBC Summary of World Broadcasts

    A similar threat came from the head of Georgia’s wartime administration, Giorgi Khaindrava, on the pages of Le Monde Diplomatique in April 1993. Goga (Giorgi) Khaindrava, told the correspondent from Le Monde Diplomatique that “there are only 80,000 Abkhazians, which means that we can easily and completely destroy the genetic stock of their nation by killing 15,000 of their youth. And we are perfectly capable of doing this.”

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    Georgia, on the other hand, has never seriously acted on negotiating a settlement with South Ossetians. There has never been a genuine offer to negotiate or a plan. The military was preparing as early as 2006 when the then Georgian Defense Minister Okruashvili promised that he would celebrate Christmas in Tskhinvali [South Ossetia’s capital].”

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    The last quote turned out to be less threatening than pathetic….

      • To be fair to Gia Karkarashvili, his was Soviet trained, and his proclamations were no different to those of the Apsu, especially the fascist leader Ardzinba who advocated for many years before the war the extermination of the Georgian population of Abkhazia (the difference being that he carried out his statements while Karkarashvili did not).

        Georgians actually took prisoners during the war, as opposed to the Apsu who generally raped mutilated and murdered those who fell into their hands, military and civillian.

        “The exact number of those killed during the ethnic cleansing is disputed, however, it ranges from 8,000 to 10,000 people, not including the civilians who were killed in 1998 during the separatist onslaught on Gali region.[35] Roughly 200,000 to 250,000 ethnic Georgians were expelled from their homes.[20] The campaign ethnic cleansing also included Russians, Armenians, Greeks, moderate Abkhaz and other minor ethnic groups living in Abkhazia. More than 20,000 houses owned by ethnic Georgians were destroyed. Hundreds of Schools, kindergartens, churches, hospitals, historical monuments were pillaged and destroyed.[19]

        The 1994 U.S. State Department Country Reports describes scenes of massive human rights abuse, which Human Rights Watch supported based on their own evidence:

        The [Abkhaz] separatist forces committed widespread atrocities against the Georgian civilian population, killing many women, children, and elderly, capturing some as hostages and torturing others … they also killed large numbers of Georgian civilians who remained behind in Abkhaz-seized territory…

        The separatists launched a reign of terror against the majority Georgian population, although other nationalities also suffered. Chechens and other north Caucasians from the Russian Federation reportedly joined local Abkhaz troops in the commission of atrocities… Those fleeing Abkhazia made highly credible claims of atrocities, including the killing of civilians without regard for age or sex. Corpses recovered from Abkhaz-held territory showed signs of extensive torture[36]

        After the end of the war, the government of Georgia, United Nations and OSCE, as well as the refugees themselves, began to investigate and gather facts about the allegations of genocide, ethnic cleansing and deportation which was conducted by the Abkhaz side during the conflict. In 1994 and again in 1996 the OSCE during the Budapest summit gave its official recognition of ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia and condemned the “perpetrators of war crimes committed during the conflict.”[37]

        On March 2006, the Hague War Crimes Tribunal announced that it had reviewed all the documents submitted by the Georgian side. After a full-scale investigation, the Tribunal concluded that it would prosecute and start hearings against the campaign of ethnic cleansing, war-crimes and terror inflicted on ethnic Georgians in Abkhazia.[38][39]

        A terrible find has been made by the local residents of the mountains of Abkhazia, near the spot where clashes with the sea-born landing troops (attempting to cut the Ochamchire-Sokhumi highway) had taken place..Pieces of a human body were hanging on long wires from tree..Those were remains of two skinned Georgian men..It is not only soldiers that are killed. In the same woods, near one village there I found a corpse of a pregnant Georgian women. She had been raped and disemboweled[40]

        [edit] Facts of ethnic cleansing (1992-1993)
        “ The Georgians can live here no longer, in Abkhazia they can only die.[41][42] ”

        Following are few examples taken from the Helsinki Human Rights Watch Reports and documentation submitted for the review to United Nations and Hague War Crimes Tribunal.

        [edit] Fall of Gagra
        Main article: Battle of Gagra
        On September 3, 1992, the Russian mediated agreement was signed between Georgian and Abkhaz separatist sides which obliged Georgia to withdraw its military forces from the city of Gagra. The agreement forced Abkhaz separatists from Gudauta to hold their attacks on the city. Soon after, the Georgian forces which included Shavnabada, Avaza and White Eagle battalions (along with their tanks and heavy artillery) left the city. Only small pockets of armed groups (made up of volunteers units of the ethnic Georgians of Gagra) remained. However, on October 1, the Abkhaz side violated the agreement and launched a full scale attack on Gagra. The attack was well coordinated and mainly carried out by the Chechen (under the command of Shamil Basaev) and North Caucasian militants. Meantime in Gagra, Georgian small detachments lost the control of the city suburbs (Leselidze and Kolkhida) and eventually were destroyed in the city center by the end of October 1st. With the fall of the city, the Georgian population of Gagra was captured by the separatists and their allies. The first major massacres and ethnic-cleansing were committed during the fall of Gagra.[43]

        People of all ages were rounded up from Gagra, Leselidze, Kolkhida and killed. When the separatist militants entered the city, civilians became a target of mass murder. The main targets were young people and children. According to the witness account: “When I returned home I was surprised to see a lot of armed people on the street. They were quiet. I mistook one of them for my Georgian neighbour, and I said, “How are you?” in Georgian. He grabbed me by the wrist and said, “Keep quiet.” I wasn’t afraid for myself; I thought they had killed my family. He asked me in Russian, “Where are your young people? We won’t kill you, we’ll kill them.” I said they weren’t here, that there were only old people left.”[44] Women and young girls captured by the militants became the victims of rape and torture. One elderly Georgian woman who lived through the October attack in Gagra recounted the following: “They brought over a blind man and his brother, who always stayed with him. They began to beat the blind man, his brother and his wife with a gun butt, calling him “dog!” and kicking him. He fell over. I saw blood. One soldier said: “We won’t kill you, but where are the young girls?” I said there weren’t any.”[45]

        My husband Sergo was dragged and tied to a tree. An Abkhaz woman named Zoya Tsvizba brought a tray with lots of salt on it. She took the knife and started to inflict wounds on my husband. After that, she threw salt on to my husbands exposed wounds. They tortured him like that for ten minutes. After, they forced a young Georgian boy (they killed him afterwards) to dig a hole with the tractor. They placed my husband in this hole and buried him alive. The only thing I remember him saying before he was covered with the gravel and sand was: “Dali take care of the kids!”[46]

        After the fall of Gagra, the victors started to pillage, rape, and torture followed by summary executions of everyone who was captured and failed to flee the city in time. At 5:00 pm on October 1, civilians (approximately 1000-1500 people) were rounded up and placed under the guard at the soccer stadium in downtown Gagra. On October 6, close to 50 civilians had been found hanging on electricity poles. Soon after, children, elderly, women and men who were detained on the soccer stadium were gunned down and dumped in mass graves not far from the stadium.

        A Russian military observer Mikhail Demianov (who was accused by the Georgian side of being the military advisor to the separatist leader Ardzinba) told Human Rights Watch:

        When they [Abkhaz] entered Gagra, I saw Shamyl Basaev’s battalion. I have never seen such a horror. They were raping and killing everyone who was captured and dragged from their homes. The Abkhaz commander Arshba raped a 14 year old girl and later gave an order to execute her. For the whole day I only could hear the screams and cries of the people who were brutally tortured. On the next day, I witnessed the mass execution of people on the stadium. They installed machine guns and mortars on the top and placed people right on the field. It took a couple of hours to kill everybody[47]

        UN observers started to investigate and gather all the facts concerning the war crimes during the fall of Gagra. Deputy Chairman of the Supreme Council of Abkhazia Mikhail Jinjaradze was dragged out from his office and executed.[citation needed]

        [edit] Massacre in Kamani
        Main article: Kamani massacre
        After the failed attempt of the separatist forces and their allies to storm Sukhumi on March 14th, 1993, Abkhaz diverted their main forces to the northern side of the front line which divided Georgian held Sukhumi and separatist controlled territories. On July 4, the Confederation of Mountain Peoples of the Caucasus militia, Abkhaz formations, and Armenian Bagramyan battalion transported by allegedly Russian naval forces to the city of Tkhvarcheli began their offensive on the northern Sukhumi district. Georgian forces and local volunteer units stationed in the villages of Shroma, Tamishi and Kamani were taken by surprise. On July 5, after intensive fighting, Georgians lost as many as 500 people in a couple of hours.[48] The village of Kamani fell into the hands of separatist formations and their North Caucasian allies. Kamani was populated mainly by Svans (a sub-ethnic group of the Georgian people) and by Orthodox nuns who had been living in the church of St George located in the center of the village.[49] The local villagers (including women and children) were massacred while the church of St George became the scene of a blood bath.[50] The nuns were raped and killed in front of the orthodox priests, father Yuri Anua and father Andria. Both priests were taken outside of the church and questioned about the ownership of the land in Abkhazia. After answering that Abkhazia was neither Georgian nor Abkhaz land but God’s, they were shot by a confederate soldier. Another priest was killed along with father Yuri Anua and father Andria, an ethnic Abkhaz who was forced to shoot father Andria before he was killed.[51] Approximately, 120 inhabitants of the village were massacred. Similar events took place in the villages of Shroma, Aguzera, Gulripsh, Labra and Tamishi.[52]

        When the Abkhaz entered my house, they took me and my seven year old son outside. After forcing us to kneel, they took my son and shot him right in front of me. After they grabbed me by hair and took me to the nearby well. An Abkhaz soldier forced me to look down that well; there I saw three younger men and couple of elderly women who were standing soaked in water naked. They were screaming and crying while the Abkhaz were dumping dead corpses on them. Afterwards, they threw a grenade there and placed more people inside. I was forced again to kneel in front of the dead corpses. One of the soldiers took his knife and took the eye out from one of the dead near me. Then he started to rub my lips and face with that decapitated eye. I could not take it any longer and fainted. They left me there in a pile of corpses.[53]

        [edit] Fall of Sukhumi
        Main article: Sukhumi Massacre
        Thomas Goltz, a war correspondent who visited Abkhazia during the war, recalls that Russian MIG-29’s dropped 500 kilograms of vacuum bombs which mainly targeted the residential areas of Sukhumi and villages on Gumista River.[54] The Russian journalist Dmitry Kholodov stayed in Sukhumi before it fell to separatists and wrote couple of report from the besieged city,

        The shelling of Sokhumi (by Russians) is the most disgusting thing in this war. All the residents of Sokhumi remember the first shelling. It took place on 2 December 1992. The first rocket fell on Peace Street. They struck at crowded places. The next strategic ‘target’ was the town market which was hit with great precision. Eighteen people were killed that day. There were always lots of people in the market.[55]

        On July 27, 1993, a Russian-brokered trilateral agreement on a cease-fire and principles for the solution of the Georgian-Abkhazian conflict was signed. Once again Georgian military started to withdraw all of its heavy artillery, tanks and significant number of its troops from Sukhumi. The Abkhaz separatists along with their allies were bound by the agreement to hold their offensive and heavy bombardment of the city. In return, the Georgian side was reassured by Russia that Sukhumi would not be attacked or bombed if Georgian army would complete its withdrawal. The Georgian troops along with their tanks were evacuated by the Russian military ships to the city of Poti. The city was left without any significant military defense. A large number of civilians stayed in Sukhumi and all school were re-opened on September 1st. The large number of IDPs returned to their homes and the normal life resumed in Sukhumi. According to Shevardnadze he trusted Yeltsin and the Russian guarantees and therefore, asked the population to return. [56] However, the Abkhaz separatists, North Caucasian Volunteers, Cossacks and Russian special forces attacked Sukhumi on September 16th at 8 a.m. [57]

        It marked the beginning of 12 days non-stop fighting around the besieged Sukhumi with intensive fighting and human loss from the both sides. Georgians who stayed in the city with only rifles and AK 47’s were left without any defense from artillery or mechanized units. [58] The union of theater actors of Sukhumi joined fighting along with other civilians who decided to fight. The city was mercilessly bombed by Russian air forces and separatist artillery. [59]On September 27, the city fell as Abkhaz, Confederation of Mountain Peoples of the Caucasus (CMPC) and Russian units stormed the House of the Government of Abkhazia. One of the most horrific massacres of this war was waged on the civilian population of Sukhumi after its downfall. During the storming of the city, close to 1,000 people perished as Abkhaz formations overran the streets of the city. The civilians who were trapped in the city were taken from their houses, basements and apartment building. According to Russian journalist Dmitry Kholodov:[60]

        …They captured a young girl. She was hiding in the bushes near the house where they killed her parents. She was raped several times. One of the soldiers killed her and mutilated her. She was cut in half. Near her body they left a message: as this corpse will never be as one piece, Abkhazia and Georgia will never be united either.[55]

        The separatists and their allies captured the Chairman of the Supreme Council Zhiuli Shartava, the Mayor of Sukhumi Guram Gabiskiria, Mamia Alasania and other members of the Abkhaz government including the members of Sukhumi police. Initially they were promised safety,[61] but eventually killed, and the UN report mentions Shartava being excessively tortured.[62]

        The massacres continued after the fall of Sukhumi for about two weeks. Georgians who had failed to flee the city had been hiding in abandoned apartment buildings and house basements. Upon discovery by the militants, they were killed on the spot. One of the most brutal massacres of the war was committed during this period. Video materials show a 5 year old child being brutally killed by Abkhaz militant in front of his mother on the streets of Sukhumi. Abkhaz nationals were also targeted during the Sukhumi massacres. Anyone who had tried to hide a Georgian refugee or helped in any way was condemned and killed. “Temur Kutarba, an Abhazian, was killed by an Adighe Soldier in front of his children, for not being active in killing Georgians. V. Vadakaria, 23 and his Abhazian friend, who tried to defend him, both were killed.”[63]

        [edit] Ochamchire
        Approximately 400 Georgian families were killed[64] during the Abkhaz offensive on Ochamchire. Similar to Gagra events of 1992, the local inhabitants were driven to the city soccer stadium Akhaldaba.[64] Men, woman and children were separated from each other. Within hours, the men were executed while woman and teenagers were raped and later killed.[65]According to witness accounts, Abkhaz separatist organized detention camps where teenage girls and woman were kept for 25 days. During this period they were systematically raped and abused.[66] Besides the atrocities being committed on civilians, more than 50 Georgian prisoners of war were executed. The mass killing of civilians also occurred in other parts of Ochamchire district, mainly in Kochara (heavily populated by ethnic Georgians, pre-war estimates 5340 people lived in Kochara). Approximately 235 civilians were killed and 1000 houses were destroyed.[67]

        “The Abkhazian separatist group captured sisters – Eka Jvania (17 years old) and Marina Jvania (14 years old), Leila Samushia and others in village Pshadi. They undressed them in front of their parents and neighbors, and raped them. After this the Abkhazians executed all of them by shooting.”[68]

        [edit] Gali
        This section requires expansion.

        After the fall of Sukhumi, the only region in Abkhazia which maintained its large ethnic Georgian population was Gali. The ethnic composition of Gali region differed from the rest of Abkhazia. The region was mainly populated by ethnic Georgians and never experienced any military activity during the war.[64] In the beginning of 1994, Abkhaz separatists confronted by the reality of the large ethnic Georgian presence within the borders of Abkhazia continued its policy of ethnic cleansing and forced expulsion of ethnic Georgians.[69] United Nations observers witnessed the events of 94 as they unfolded.[70] Between February 8 and 13 Abkhaz separatist militia and their allies attacked the villages and populated areas of Gali region, killing, raping and destroying houses (approximately 4,200 houses were destroyed as the result).[71] Despite the presence of Russian CIS peacekeeping forces, the massacres and mass killing of ethnic Georgians was carried out between 1995-1996 which resulted in 450 death and thousands of IDPs fleeing eastwards.[72] In 1997, more than 1,300 civilians perished, thousands of houses burned and hundreds of cultural centers and churches looted.[73]

        [edit] Post-war period
        This section requires expansion.
        “ For all those volunteers who have contributed in our victory, we shall reward them with residency and citizenship.[74] ”

        The Human Rights Watch report which was drafted in 1995 and included detailed account of the war crimes and atrocities committed during the war concludes that, “Human Rights Watch finds Abkhaz forces responsible for the foreseeable wave of revenge, human rights abuse, and war crimes that was unleashed on the Georgian population in Sukhumi and other parts of Abkhazia. In Human Rights Watch’s judgment, these practices were indeed encouraged in order to drive the Georgian population from its homes.”[75]

        “And out of group of 12 front line soldiers, 2 were Abkhazian, 2 were Armenian, 1 Armenian locally from Sukhumi, 1 from Yerevan who was too young to go fight the good fight in Karabakh, and the rest were either from the North Caucasus or from places like in Siberia. What were they motivated by? Looting. They had been promised houses with tangerine gardens. They had been promised cars.”[76]

        The legacy of ethnic cleansing in Abkhazia had been devastating for the Georgian society. The war and the subsequent systematic ethnic cleansing produced about 200,000-250,000[20] of IDPs that fled to various Georgian regions, mostly in Samegrelo (Mingrelia) (112,208; UNHCR, June 2000). In Tbilisi and elsewhere in Georgia refugees occupy hundreds of hotels, dormitories and abandoned Soviet military barracks for temporary residency.[when?] Many of them have to leave for other countries, primarily to Russia,[77] to search for work.

        Many refugees living in Georgia resist assimilation into the Georgian society. Georgia’s government also has not encouraged the assimilation of the refugees fearing that it would “lose one of the arguments for retaining hegemony over Abkhazia”.[78][when?]

        Some 60,000 Georgian refugees spontaneously returned to Abkhazia’s Gali district between 1994 and 1998, but tens of thousands were displaced again when fighting resumed in the Gali district in 1998. Nevertheless from 40,000 to 60,000 refugees have returned to the Gali district since 1998, including persons commuting daily across the ceasefire line and those migrating seasonally in accordance with agricultural cycles.[79] The human rights situation remains precarious in the Georgian-populated areas of the Gali district. The United Nations and other international organizations have been fruitlessly urging the Abkhaz de facto authorities “to refrain from adopting measures incompatible with the right to return and with international human rights standards, such as discriminatory legislation… [and] to cooperate in the establishment of a permanent international human rights office in Gali and to admit United Nations civilian police without further delay.”[80]

        Paata Davitaya, minister of justice in the pro-Georgian government-in-exile Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia asked the International Criminal Court to investigate allegations of genocide and crimes against humanity in Abkhazia.[81] The ICC was provided with the documents selected from the 300 volumes of evidence about the genocide of Georgians in Abkhazia. These materials were collected by the Georgian Prosecutors’ Office beginning in 1993 and allegedly contain horrific accounts of atrocities committed by the Abkhaz fighters and mercenaries from Russia.[82] The reports included a detailed description of how the separatists played soccer with the heads of dead Georgians on the field after the executions in Gagra.[83]”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Georgians_in_Abkhazia

        Try reading this one too Phobodunce

        Click to access georgia953.pdf

        In addition, there never were “600,000” Azeris in Georgia.

        However in 1989 there were 307,556 (5.7%) and in 2002 there were 284,761 (6.5%).

        So as usual Phobophobe is LYING!!! (So whose life were you saving this time? LOL)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeris_in_Georgia_(country)

        You also forget to mention that Svetlana Chervonnaya blames the fighting in Abkhazia, and the overwhelming majority of war crimes and crimes against humanity on the Abkhaz, and that the “Georgia for Georgians” motto was a direct response to Abkhazian “Abkhazia for Abkhazians” (which is also incorrect as the Apsu are not the native/indigenous population) during the 1970’s & 1980’s which was extremely oppressive to non Apsu residents.

        Try reading what Svetlana Chervonnaya has to say in “Conflict in the Caucasus: Georgia, Abkhazia and the Russian Shadow”

        With regards to the Meshkians return to Georgia, the biggest problem was the Armenians who had been settled in the area by the Russians after WW2, who threatened violent action against the returnees.

        During the rule of the Ottoman Empire (1299-1922), Turkish settlers moved into Meskheti as part of the Turkish expansion. The resulting mix of Turkish and Meskheti populations became known as the Meskhetian Turk. [6]

        In May 1989 a pogrom[7][8][9] of Meskhetian Turks occurred in the crowded and poor Fergana Valley, Uzbekistan as a result of growing ethnic tensions during the era of Glasnost. This triggered an evacuation of Meskhetian Turks from Uzbekistan.

        In the 1990s, Georgia began to receive Meskhetian settlers, provided that they declared themselves to be of ethnic Georgian origin. One of the human rights campaigners on their behalf was Guram Mamulia. Their resettlement created tension among the Armenian population of Samtskhe-Javakheti province.

        Azerbaijan accepted a number of Meskhetians, but faced problems with refugees from Nagorno-Karabakh, and the government did not accept larger numbers. Turkey, seen as their homeland by many Meskhetian Turks themselves, started a program of resettling Meskhetian immigrants in the underprivileged, Kurdish majority eastern regions of the country. This program was for fewer than 200 individuals, and fell short of expectations. ”

        Now lets also check what whore mother Russia had to say about the Meshkians…..

        The government of the Soviet Union encouraged Meskhetians to settle in selected oblasts of the Russian SSR, and most received Russian Federation citizenship in 1992. The legal status of those who moved to Krasnodar Krai, however, remained undetermined, and many were Stateless.[10] Their presence caused tensions with the local Kuban Cossack population, who, according to human rights activists, in coordination with local authorities lead prosecutions of them. Russian authorities called the stateless Meskhetians “foreigners who have no right to remain in Russia” and play down reports about Cossack violence.[11] To help resolve the situation, the International Organization for Migration implemented a program to resettle Meskhetian Turks from the Krasnodar Krai to the United States between 2004 and 2007. In cooperation with the two governments (Russia and the US), approximately 11,500 individuals departed.

        OOOH LOOK “RUSSIA FOR RUSSIANS”

        So the only deportation of Meshkians in the last two decades is from RUSSIA.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meskhetian_Turks

        You really are an amazing and retarded fascist hypocrite Phobophobe.

        • Congratulations, Andrew, that was about 600 lines of text that you have dumped on this page. This is your biggest murder of a discussion in at least a week.

          While nobody will ever know what crap is in your dump, one thing is for sure: this topic is dead.

          I find it beyond comprehension that LR would ban a lot of people for minor little offenses but she allows you to destroy her entire blog with your non-stop flood of diarrhea, Andrew.

          I tell you: if I had a blog and if some psychopath, even if he were my political ally, went out of his way day after day to destroy my blog by flooding it with 600 lines of empty garbage – I would ban him.

          People have complained to you again and again about your terrorist flooding tactics, you always pretended that you were sorry and promised to cut down, but you have always kept on posting more and more garbage with each day.

          Your slanders, your lies, your falsifications, your childish homophobic insults – they all point out to you being a psychopath with a mentality of a 3-year old infant. Please seek medical help and please stop your floods here.

          • Now Phobophobe, no apology for your lies about the Meshkians?

            Or all your other lies for that matter.

            So now my little Kapo friend, are you incapable of accepting the fact that you are a lying little filthbag?

            Besides, you have posted screeds of garbage on other threads.

            So Kapo, go and slink off to your fascist Russian masters.

            • > Now Phobophobe, no apology for your lies about the Meshkians?

              **My** lies? I don’t even know who these “Meshkians” are that you are talking about. I just copied a Wikipedia paragraph about Meskhetian Turks. Meskhetian!

              You are not even familiar with the term “Meskhetians”, confusing them with “Meshkians”, and yet have the audacity to judge whether the Wiki article about them is true or a lie.

              Get lost, slanderer.

              • Well they are called Meshkian Turks in Georgia, but here is some refutation of your outright lies Kapo:

                You claimed most of the “600,000” Azeri’s were forced to flee Georgia.

                There never were 600,000 Azeri’s in Georgia.

                However in 1989 there were 307,556 (5.7%) and in 2002 there were 284,761 (6.5%).

                In addition, Georgians and Azeri’s have very good relations (Azeri’s in Abkhazia fought on the Georgian side, and Georgia supported the Azeri’s over Nagorno Karabakh)

                So as usual Phobophobe is LYING!!! (So whose life were you saving this time? LOL)

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeris_in_Georgia_(country)

                RE Abkhazia.

                You also forget to mention that Svetlana Chervonnaya blames the fighting in Abkhazia, and the overwhelming majority of war crimes and crimes against humanity on the Abkhaz, and that the “Georgia for Georgians” motto was a direct response to Abkhazian “Abkhazia for Abkhazians” (which is also incorrect as the Apsu are not the native/indigenous population) during the 1970’s & 1980’s which was extremely oppressive to non Apsu residents.

                Try reading what Svetlana Chervonnaya has to say in “Conflict in the Caucasus: Georgia, Abkhazia and the Russian Shadow”

                With regards to the Meshkians return to Georgia, the biggest problem was the Armenians who had been settled in the area by the Russians after WW2, who threatened violent action against the returnees.

                “In the 1990s, Georgia began to receive Meskhetian settlers, provided that they declared themselves to be of ethnic Georgian origin. One of the human rights campaigners on their behalf was Guram Mamulia. Their resettlement created tension among the Armenian population of Samtskhe-Javakheti province. ”

                However there was ethnic cleansing of Meskhetians from RUSSIA

                “The government of the Soviet Union encouraged Meskhetians to settle in selected oblasts of the Russian SSR, and most received Russian Federation citizenship in 1992. The legal status of those who moved to Krasnodar Krai, however, remained undetermined, and many were Stateless.[10] Their presence caused tensions with the local Kuban Cossack population, who, according to human rights activists, in coordination with local authorities lead prosecutions of them. Russian authorities called the stateless Meskhetians “foreigners who have no right to remain in Russia” and play down reports about Cossack violence.[11] To help resolve the situation, the International Organization for Migration implemented a program to resettle Meskhetian Turks from the Krasnodar Krai to the United States between 2004 and 2007. In cooperation with the two governments (Russia and the US), approximately 11,500 individuals departed.

                OOOH LOOK “RUSSIA FOR RUSSIANS”

                So the only deportation of Meshkians in the last two decades is from RUSSIA.”

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meskhetian_Turks

                So Kapo, sod off (being Russian you would be good at that)

                Bt the way, its 2:30 AM in California right now.

                Still pulling night shift at the truckstop Phobokapo?

              • Kind of like how the “Pathans” of the 19th Century frontier wars are now called the “Pashtun” or “Paktun”

                So Phobokapo, go slither off and help your Russian masters do some more ethnic cleansing why dont you.

                • Andrew, I am sorry I started replying to you again. Please go away. Please uderstand that flooding a forum with 600 lines of crap is completely incosiderate and infantile.

                  Just as your hompohobia is. I have just watched how in the news a Republican politician said: “Te boys at the age 10 to 12 are less intolerant towards homosexuality than any othe rclass of people. They speak badly of homosexuals – and that’s because they don’t want to be that way”

                  Well, correct me if I am wrong but your chronological age is far greater than 12, you are probably middle-ages. And yet, you have the mentality of a 10-year old. And you still seem to be afraid of turning to homosexuality.

                  Maybe it’s time that you should yield to your inner calling? Try some physically challenging homosexual activities that you secretly crave – like “servicing truck drivers” that you are so fond of describing. Maybe this will distract you from flooding and destroying this forum.

                  • Why don’t you go away Phobokapo?

                    After all, your lies here are rather too obvious and disgusting for words.

                    Still no apology from you for your lies today?

                    Especially about the Azeri population of Georgia, and the Meskhetians.

                    BTW, no cravings here, except for hatchapuri. Cheese and pastry is always a winner.

                    What is the time in California (where you supposedly live) right now?

                    Lets see, its 2:45 by the world clock where you are.

                    Stop infecting this forum with your BS.
                    Your Russian fascist BS is rather more infantile and deranged than anything seen here since “I’m Russian” was posting his anti-jewish and anti-caucasian rubbish.

                    Once again Phoboturd, go live in Russia if you think its so wonderful.

                  • Seems like you have a nerve or 2 exposed phobokapo.

                    Just because the rest of us see you for the political and social deviant that you are.

                    Why did your first marriage fail? She couldn’t put up with your “extra carricular” activities?

          • BTW Kapo, try reading it, you might find its not so empty.

            Of course given that you are a typical Russian fascist, and a proven liar to boot, I suspect you can’t be bothered.

            • Oh Phobokapo, I am so hurt.

              Really Phobokapo, if you think nobody reads it why does it annoy you so much when we point out the truth about your crudhole neofascist Russia?

              Besides, you post the most rediculous BS imaginable.

              Go on, piss of back to the Rodina. The US will be better off without you.

              BTW its 2:57 in California, a funny time to be posting your Russophile crud is it not?

              Come on you neo-nazi Russian piece of filth, fess up

    • Now, since we have confirmed that every nation has its racist and nativist bastards, let’s move on:

      So, we con confirm that there was a faction (and an unfortunately prominent one for a time) that could best be called racist scum.

      Nice to know, but that doesn’t really answer the question of what they DID with it. For instance: did these “Georgia for Georgians” goons do HALF of what the pwooor, oppwessed Ossetians or Abkhazians do in their territories with the Ingush or the Georgians? And if not, are we REALLY talking about a major point, or just some diversionary chaff designed to obscure the situation?

  7. I also feel that RT is once again exhibiting its anti-Americanism by limiting Geroge W Bush’s quotes to only one. Here are some more that deserve to be in Top Ten:

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushquotes/a/dumbbushquotes_3.htm

    The 50 Dumbest Bush Quotes of All Time

    “If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.” –Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

    “Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren’t able to practice their love with women all across this country.” (Watch video clip)

    “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on –shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

    “Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?”

    “For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It’s just unacceptable. And we’re going to do something about it.”

    “This is an impressive crowd — the haves and the have mores. Some people call you the elite — I call you my base.”

    “I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe — I believe what I believe is right.”

    “Goodbye from the world’s biggest polluter.” –in parting words to world leaders at his final G-8 Summit, punching the air and grinning widely as those present looked on in shock, Rusutsu, Japan, July 10, 2008

    20. “The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.” –Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001

    19. “I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” –Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

    18. “So what?” –President Bush, responding to a an ABC News correspondent who pointed out that Al Qaeda wasn’t a threat in Iraq until after the U.S. invaded, Dec. 14, 2008

    16. “I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace.” –Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

    15. “I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job.” –to a group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004

    13. “We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories … And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.” –Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

    12. “Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!” –joking about his administration’s failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents’ Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004 (Read more)

    “I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport.”

    36. “Do you have blacks, too?” –to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

    “They misunderestimated me.”

    “I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound largemouth bass in my lake.” –on his best moment in office, interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, May 7, 2006

    “I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.”

    “I’m the commander — see, I don’t need to explain — I do not need to explain why I say things. That’s the interesting thing about being president.”

    • In spite of my rabid Pro-Bush credentials, even I am ENTIRELY willing to admit that his love affair with the English language what been an… uneven road to say the least. However, his language faux-paus do serve a purpose, as they often make the point far clearer than more eloquent summaries can.

      1. Whether this was his intention or not, this is somewhat valid by pointing out that if Bush had been a dictator (as we heard of endlessly from the usual suspects), his time in office would have been far easier, as he would have been able to do things like sic his supporters, the police, and some regular military units on the protestors saying that he was, not unlike Putin has a record of doing.

      2. Given the unfortunate history of Tennessee, there was a good chance that if you were “fooled twice” you would never be able to be fooled again- ’cause you’d be DEAD. Strange how that can extend to other areas.

      3. That i’ll concede is simply strange.

      4. A typical example of a language faux-paus and one he REALLY should have checked for before doing so, but he IS making a point in regards to the US education system, and one that is lost in the furor over the English.

      5. One of those things that, put in context, comes off as neither ridiculous or inane.

      6. I am guessing that is just a rather stupid attempt to get chummy with those attending one of his meetings. Politicians do that pretty much all the time, and if you googled hard enough, you would find examples for Obama and Putin, amongst others.

      7. Overly wordy and something of a spin cycle, but rather minor and which in context is neither particularly remarkable nor terribly off topic.

      8. Which was indeed incorrect because China and India by this time had likely exceeded the US by a rather safe amount.

      9-10. Conceded, this is a rather nasty contradiction, and there’s no way past it. But 10 is by far the more accurate.

      11. The corrispondent’s “point” was either flatly incorrect or in that wobbly gray zone between flatly incorrect and somewhat correct. AQ certainly did have only a subsidiary presence in Iraq before the invasion (they had a few camps here and there, and their subsidiary the Army of Muhummad took funds from Saddam, but not much else) . But the key reason we went in was not the AQ presence in Iraq like in Afghanistan, but because of Saddam’s violation of the Gulf War ceasefire and his semi-close ties to them. Big difference.

      12. Inane and no way to make it better, though the former is often waged to create the latter.

      13. A bit unnerving when you first hear it, but he wasn’t the first and won’t be the last elected official to claim a relationship with the divine

      14. Which turned out to be TRUE.

      15. Which was also true, as we found the spare parts and the brain trust for it.

      16. Inane goof and no way to make it better.

      17. Also inane and shows lack of research (short answer: YES)

      18. Which is most likely true.

      19. And given the amount of flack he took, one can forgive the look to his own private property.

      20. Another standard misspeak where it is clear what he meant but embarrassing nonetheless.

      21. And am I supposed to believe that every world leader is supposed to offer unadulterated and complete transparency, even to his enemies? Get real.

      But the fact is that while Bush was imperfect, has he committed ANYTHING like the crimes Putin and his compatriots have? I doubt it. So we can rant and rave about speech issues that are embarrassing but ultimately superficial, but we can’t get into the concrete actions of the individuals, where their true character shows?

      For some reason, I think Bush would easily beat Putin on that.

      And also, does anybody want to make a top twenty stupid quotes spoken by Putin? Sign up and send ’em over.

  8. Oh, he certainly said some stupid things, but on WMD and associated materials:

    http://www.nysun.com/editorials/iraqs-yellowcake/81328/

    and

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1259806/posts

    AFP

    Nizar Nayuf (Nayyouf-Nayyuf), a Syrian journalist who recently defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to Dutch newspaper “De Telegraaf,” that he knows the three sites where Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are kept. The storage places are:

    click for images of Iraq’s WMD location in Syria : http://www.2la.org/syria/wmd.html

    -1- Tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria. These tunnels are an integral part of an underground factory, built by the North Koreans, for producing Syrian Scud missiles. Iraqi chemical weapons and long-range missiles are stored in these tunnels.

    -2- The village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, where there is a big Syrian air force camp. Vital parts of Iraq’s WMD are stored there.

    -3-. The city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south of Homs city.

    Nayouf writes that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by the commanders of Saddam Hussein’s Special Republican Guard, including General Shalish, with the help of Assif Shoakat , Bashar Assad’s cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by the Assad family.

    In February 2003, a month before America’s invasion in Iraq, very few are aware about the efforts to bring the Weapons of Mass Destruction from Iraq to Syria, and the personal involvement of Bashar Assad and his family in the operation. Nayouf, who has won prizes for journalistic integrity, says he wrote his letter because he has terminal cancer.

  9. Yes, Andrew, Syria got all these immense,massive arsYes, Andrew, Syria got all these immense, massive arsenals of Iraqi WMDs almost seven years ago; and yet it hasn’t dropped them on Israel yet!

    Not only that, but nobody in Israel takes these “reports” seriously and nobody is even one bit worried.

    And Bush has heard of these “reports” for many years, and yet never even considered saying anything about the most dangerous country in the world – Syria – possessing the same huge WMD arsenal that forced USA to invade Iraq. If he invaded Iraq – how come he didn’t complain even once about Syria possessing these same WMDs? And how come nobody in Israel is worried?

    How believable. Why do you feel compelled to spread the biggest and most obvious lies?

  10. Well the number of ethnic Azeri citizens in Georgia (by census from Wikepedia)

    However in 1989 there were 307,556 (5.7%) and in 2002 there were 284,761 (6.5%).

    So as usual Phobophobe is LYING!!! (So whose life were you saving this time? LOL)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeris_in_Georgia_(country)

    “In the 1990s, Georgia began to receive Meskhetian settlers, provided that they declared themselves to be of ethnic Georgian origin. One of the human rights campaigners on their behalf was Guram Mamulia. Their resettlement created tension among the Armenian population of Samtskhe-Javakheti province. ”

    However there was ethnic cleansing of Meskhetians from RUSSIA

    “The government of the Soviet Union encouraged Meskhetians to settle in selected oblasts of the Russian SSR, and most received Russian Federation citizenship in 1992. The legal status of those who moved to Krasnodar Krai, however, remained undetermined, and many were Stateless.[10] Their presence caused tensions with the local Kuban Cossack population, who, according to human rights activists, in coordination with local authorities lead prosecutions of them. Russian authorities called the stateless Meskhetians “foreigners who have no right to remain in Russia” and play down reports about Cossack violence.[11] To help resolve the situation, the International Organization for Migration implemented a program to resettle Meskhetian Turks from the Krasnodar Krai to the United States between 2004 and 2007. In cooperation with the two governments (Russia and the US), approximately 11,500 individuals departed.

    OOOH LOOK “RUSSIA FOR RUSSIANS”

    So the only deportation of this ethnic group in the last two decades is from RUSSIA.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meskhetian_Turks

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