EDITORIAL
The Slobbering Russian Beast Eyes Georgia
With no disrespect intended, we think the “analysis” of our blogging colleagues over at Robert Amsterdam and The Power Vertical, seeming to engage in some weird form of numerology regarding the signficance of the month of August in Russian history, is rather bizarre. We see no reason for rational western commentators to dabble in the same sort of silly and barbaric astrological gibberish as do the Russian people themselves.
But just as even paranoids have enemies, that doesn’t mean Russia won’t invade Georgia this month, again.
Russia is attempting to provoke Georgia once again, this time by nibbling up additional chunks of Georgian territory. Russia is claiming the Georgia is shelling Ossetia, but as the New York Times reports: “The European Union mission released a statement late on Saturday saying its patrols ‘have seen no evidence to confirm that any firing has taken place toward Tskhinvali or its surroundings.'” Little wonder that Russia has purged the entire region of impartial observers from the EU and the UN; Russia wants the unfettered ability to lie brazenly and attack wantonly, just as the USSR used to do. If Russia were acting in good faith, of course, it would be pleading for as many international observers as possible to confirm Georgian aggression. Instead, it boots them out with relish. What is the difference, then, between the USSR moving into Eastern Europe and Russia moving into the Caucasus? We see none.
The Times reports: “President Eduard Kokoity of South Ossetia said he hoped to expand the boundary to include a gorge that he described as ‘native Ossetian land, which for unclear reasons in the Soviet period’ was included in Georgia.” Since then, he’s begun making noises about surrendering Ossetian soveignty entirely and begging for even more Russian troops. It’s simply unbelievable that the Russians are not satisifed with the gigantic slice of Georgia they’ve already taken, and want more. It’s genuinely mindboggling that Russian are not the least bit ashamed of the total diplomatic disaster that followed their first move against Georgia, and are now moving towards doing the whole thing over again — even as they recreate in Moscow a close facsimile of the Soviet state that collapsed such a short time ago.
Expert Pavel Felgenhauer, who predicted the last invasion, is blunt: “Russia is preparing the ground for a new war against Georgia with the goal of overturning the regime.”
The West simply cannot tolerate yet another act of mindless, slobbering, beastlike agression by Russia in the Caucus region. The world must not forget that Russia would love to seize Georgia not only to recreate the Soviet empire but to close down the Nabucco pipeline, planned to run through Georgia and threatening to undermine Russia’s gas hegemony in Europe.
If Russia moves into Georgia this summer, it will confirm the total failure of Barack Obama’s recent visit to Moscow. In fact, it will confirm that Obama’s inconsistency and weakness were seen by the Kremlin as an open invitation to finish the job in Tbilisi. If Georgia were to be seized by Russia, it would damage Obama’s presidency as irretrievably as the Soviet assault on Afghanistan did to Jimmy Carter.
Obama must not let this happen, for his own sake as well as for his own legacy. He must move decisively to bring NATO and U.S. forces into play, sending a clear message to the Kremlin that further aggression will not be tolerated. Russia is a cowardly bully nation, which loves to pick on tiny defenseless states but which, like all bullies, cannot stand up for itself when confronted by an equally powerful rival.
Make no mistake: Russia will not stop with Georgia if its agression is permitted. It will then turn its sights to Ukraine and every other now free nation which used to be part of Soviet “space.”
La Russophobe 
“Russia is a cowardly bully nation, which loves to pick on tiny defenseless states but which, like all bullies, cannot stand up for itself when confronted by an equally powerful rival.
”
What’s that in your eye Russophobe? Is that a log?
Um, sorry but we have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe calm down a little or drink less.
So Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan weren’t “tiny, defenseless” nations?
@”So Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan weren’t “tiny, defenseless” nations?”
No, but Bosnia and Kuwait were.
But you’re right on the thrid account, as in 2001 forces of the government of Islamic State of Afghanistan were quite outnumbered and outgunned by the Taliban forces and their associates.
Well, when the US invaded Iraq had one of the most powerful militaries on the planet. What’s more, the US had to project its power across an ocean, not roll troops through a tunnel.
If you think Georgia’s military power is remotely comparable to that of Iraq, you’re a drunken liar not worth talking to.
Comprendo?
This is all small and irrelevant details. Relatively speaking, all of these countries are tiny and defenseless when compared to either Russia or United States.
LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:
Is it delusions of grandeur, or simply vodka, that makes you think you get to decide what is relevant?
Iraq had one of the largest armies in the world, Georgia one of the smallest. If that’s irrelevant to you, pea brain, you’re out on a limb all alone.
And since when does American misconduct justify Russian misconduct? Are you prepared to have American behavior be the standard for Russia in ALL things?
Quote…””And since when does American misconduct justify Russian misconduct? Are you prepared to have American behavior be the standard for Russia in ALL things?””
Hear! Hear!
Check this out dummy.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/
Georgian military ranked 36th. Iraq’s military 37th. Afghanistan’s 40th.
LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:
If you read your own source, you illiterate monkey, you’d see that Iraq had 100,000 men under arms in 2006, Georgia has less than 20,000. That’s FIVE TIMES more, you witless illiterate ape. Iraq had 650 total aircraft, Georgia 30. Can you read AT ALL?
Another child finds a link and assumes that he is smart. Analasis {?} as of o5/09?
“Georgian military ranked 36th. Iraq’s military 37th. Afghanistan’s 40th.”
It is AFTER the war.
Russia, a dictatorship, wants to overthrow a democracy to install a puppet dictator. America overthrows a dictator and installs a dictator. What’s wrong with this?
CORRECTION:
Russia, a dictatorship, wants to overthrow a democracy to install a puppet dictator. America overthrows a dictator and installs a democracy. What’s wrong with this?
Quote…””And since when does American misconduct justify Russian misconduct? Are you prepared to have American behavior be the standard for Russia in ALL things?””
America is the beacon of democracy, the promised land of milk and honey for the freedom loving people of the world, of course we want American behavior to be the standard and goal for ALL things in Russia.
Ahaha. That was a classic Freudian slip Kolchak.
“Obama must not let this happen, for his own sake as well as for his own legacy. He must move decisively to bring NATO and U.S. forces into play”
Rogozin has already prepped NATO as to the likely Russian response.
“America is the beacon of democracy, the promised land of milk and honey”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html
Have you been to Detroit Michigan recently?
Do you know what sarcasm is Don?
Don, Detroit>Moscow. ANYDAY.
On Georgian Wine:
The dark shores of karelian lake ozero
Echo the distant voices of vlad (lenin), otto (kuissein) and Mikhail (suslov)
While yuri (andropov)the mentored mentor, the ghost conductor, baton in hand,
At water’s edge beckoning the past youthful souls of the “co-operative” choir
As the felix group ensemble adds thunderous sunrise harmony
To gathering storm clouds cunning
While Gorby green strives to save the planet
From western environmental demise and destruction.
Boris lifts a glass.
Party slovik putin well organized, trained, experienced.
The hijacked hermitage restored, a new old order
With stealth and wealth the new nobles victorious elevate their czar.
The glory restored of the motherland,
A neft warlord toast with Georgian wine
Retribution in the wind on the dark shores of karelian lake ozero
Don, what’s your point?
Democracy isn’t disappearing from America because it’s in a recession.
Detroit has been a mess for decades. So what.
The editorial:
“He (Obama) must move decisively to bring NATO and U.S. forces into play, sending a clear message to the Kremlin that …”
You are dead crazy!
Let me remind you again and again a coined phrase – “Russia still remains the only country in the world capable to make cockroaches the only residents of the USA in 23 minutes.”
Don Swanson :
“Have you been to Detroit Michigan recently?”
Detroit is but another nice city in Michigan. Local cockroaches are seemingly in the wait and see-mode for Russian attack yet to do the grand, not quite sure about local Afros.
I think the state of Georgia in distant Eurasia is the least of their problems and big Obamaman shares a similar conception with his brothers in blood in Michigan on the US foreign policy at this present stage. He’s got other fish to fry.
@Let me remind you again and again a coined phrase – “Russia still remains the only country in the world capable to make cockroaches the only residents of the USA in 23 minutes.”
Let me remind you again and again a coined phrase – “United States still remains the only country in the world capable to make cockroaches the only residents of Russia in 23 minutes.”
Whoops.
do you know what sarcasm is, penny? Don’t you see how hilarious are Don and AKM? Aren’t you rolling on the floor laughing?
“That Tbilisi will once again secure the international community’s support goes almost without saying. Lacking access to the territory controlled by Tskhinvali, the EU Monitoring Mission in Georgia (EUMM) refused to confirm the fact of firing at the South Ossetian capital. EUMM spokesman Steve Bird told journalists that observers had failed to find evidence of firing at Tskhinvali or any other South Ossetian settlement from the Georgian territory. The official statement made by the EUMM in the meantime included a reference to the necessity of access to the territory or South Ossetia, something Tskhinvali was denying EU observers. The EUMM backed the Georgian claims that the checkpoint near Zemo Nikozi had come under mortar and automatic rifle fire from the direction of South Ossetia.”
http://www.theotherrussia.org/2009/08/03/the-makings-of-a-second-russian-georgian-war/
“I would like to be unbiased and clear up whether there were some hasty, senseless activities of Ossets, who intensified the
contradictions through provocation. I would also like to say such events took place then. I mean declaration of sovereignty, which
was fully orientated to Moscow with the prospect of uniting South and North Ossetia in the future. Aspirations of South Ossetians to join their Northern tribesmen can be understood from the human viewpoint. However, from the geopolitical viewpoint it is a mistake.
The main Caucasus Ridge is a natural border between Georgia and Ossetia and any efforts of removing this border will cause permanent conflicting situation between Georgians and Ossets. To restore traditional friendly relations, first of all, the talk should stop on separation of Ossetia from Georgia. No authorities of Georgia will agree with this. And they will be right, because this will mean violation of Georgia’s territorial integrity…
Who wants peace between South Ossetians and Georgians, should reject for ever the idea of South Ossetia’s joining North Ossetia.
Who wants peace between Georgia and Russia, should also put this idea aside. This is the reality”.
VASILII ABAEV,
famous Ossetian professor, renowned scholar
Pity they did not listen to the great promoter of the Ossetian language, and promoter of peace with his neighbors.
“Well, when the US invaded Iraq had one of the most powerful militaries on the planet. What’s more, the US had to project its power across an ocean, not roll troops through a tunnel.”
Really, 650 planes that couldn’t fly, some of which buried in the ground. An army that wouldn’t fight. You say Russia is a paper tiger but to try and say Iraq’s military was that powerful when the US invaded is a joke. If it was that powerful how come the US and her allies pretty much just walked in the front door?
Not during the 1st gulf war Mike.
During the 1st Gulf war 1991, the Iraqi military was by the standards of the day very powerful indeed in terms of Soviet & some French supplied equipment, all of which was operational at the time.
During the 2nd Gulf war, due to losses of equipment sustained during the 1st Gulf war and the ensuing sanctions the Iraqi army had been severely degraded.
Iraq 1991 was pretty potent, they modernized their army to the Warsaw Pact standards in the course of the long Iran-Iraq war.
During which their troops of course also earned a whole lot of combat experience, with the US forces not in a real full-scale war ever since 1973.
But even in 2003 Saddam had many hundreds of thousands men at arms (on paper, of course onl y afew dozens of thousands fought at all and only a faction of them really hard/to the death, mostly the Fedayeen militia of his son Uday and some odd Syrian volunteers).
“If it was that powerful how come the US and her allies pretty much just walked in the front door?”
In 1991 it was the 38-day air campaign with the new “smart” weapons (and it wasn’t all that easy, dozens of Allied aircraft were shot down or otherwise lost in the process).
“The ensuing air war and the effects of the economic embargo decimated Iraq’s military infrastructure, severed communication and supply lines, smashed weapons arsenals, and destroyed morale. Overall, the coalition air campaign accumulated a total of 109,876 sorties over the 43-day war, an average of 2,555 sorties per day. The Gulf War was not an exercise in massive bombing unparalleled in previous air war history; neither the sortie rates nor the bomb tonnage statistics made it so. The Air Force’s tonnage expenditure in the Gulf War was only 11% of that expended against Japan (537,000 tons), less than 4% of that expended against Nazi Germany (1,613,000 tons), and less than one percent of the tonnage which the Air Force dropped in Southeast Asia. In measures of tonnage dropped per month, the Gulf air war ranked significantly below Vietnam, and was only 85% of that in the Second World War. Yet it was more decisive overall in what it achieved than any of these previous wars. After a 38-day air campaign, the DESERT SABRE ground offensive began with allied forces sweeping through Iraqi defenses. The Iraqi army was crushed after a mere 100 hours. Iraqi troops–tired, hungry and war-weary from six months of economic blockade and more than a month of relentless allied bombing–surrendered by the thousands.”
Btw, Russians still use mostly unguided bombs (and little to no night vision etc). They’re pretty much still on Iraqi/Soviet 1991 levels and not on the NATO levels even of two decades ago.
Concerning the US-army you all forget one thing!!!!
THE US-ARMY IS SO OVERWHELMINGLY STRONG AND POWERFUL,THAT NO ONE CAN RESIST THEM!!!!!!! PLEASE BE REALISTIC!!!!
sascha
Let me be back again for your comment as for
“THE US-ARMY IS SO OVERWHELMINGLY STRONG AND POWERFUL,THAT NO ONE CAN RESIST THEM!!!!!!! PLEASE BE REALISTIC!!!!”
Bite Russia not through a proxy US-raised nazi Saakashvili but in direct mode. You will see the country which can resist OVERWHELMINGLY STRONG AND POWERFUL USA. Give American cockroaches a chance to rule the country fron the Atlantic to the Pacific for centures to come.
Please be realistic.
You do realise that the US can make Russian cockroaches rule Russia from St.Petersburg to Vladivostock too don’t you RTS?
After all, their missiles actually work.
Then again, Russia is already run by rats.
On the subject of Georgia’s military power, it was a widely trumpeted piece of Russian propaganda last year that Georgia’s military spending as a proportion of its GDP had increased in recent years more than any other country. This was not completely false but a very good example of the kind of lie that you can tell with statistics without quite lying.
A more important statistic is that in the ten years leading up to the war, Russia had spent a considerably larger proportion if its comparatively huge GDP that Georgia had of its tiny GDP.
Comparing Georgia to Iran is childish. Russia has sold a couple of billion US dollars worth of high tech missiles to Iran recently whereas the US has unfortunately refused to sell Georgia even the few defensive missiles that it so badly needs.
George
“the US has unfortunately refused to sell Georgia even the few defensive missiles that it so badly needs.”
They did it (murdered 2000 civilians) very nicely without US “unfortunately refused defensive missiles” just using multiple rocket launcher systems which are currently piled up some place near Moscow.
Thats funny, the official Russian government tally is around 165.
Whats the matter RTS, don’t you believe Putin any more?
LOL that 2000 is further proof of your idiocy. It never happened my gullible sock puppet! Also, I wonder where those grad launcher originated from? Your Russian lice-ridden dogs trade em’ for vodki? LOL
“They did it (murdered 2000 civilians)”
Oh come on. Don’t be so shy, add some more zeros.
Btw: How many civilians were killed in Chechnya? It’s a very serious question, because as far as I know, the Russian government did not care to even give any estimate (not to mention a complete body count). I see only everyone’s guesses, like “over 50,000 in the first and some 25,000 in the second war” and it’s actually pretty conservative figures. And aren’t thousands of people still “missing”, that is in unmarked burial sites and mass graves?
All of them were of course “Russian citiziens”, so should I except any late South Ossetia-style “genocide investigation” by the Russian prosecutors any moment now?
LOL,you dirty russian scum,the US-Airforce is able to bomb russia into unconditional surrender within two days! When the US-airforce will hit you russian scum,you will cry like little babies,because you poor-educated Vodka-maniacs have no idea,how strong NATO and especially the USA is in comparison the laughable russian army. russian surrender after 48 hours,not longer
yes,indeed 2000 ossetians were killed,but they were no civilians,but pro-russian militiamen,by the way,3000 russian soldiers were also killed,but you Vodka-scum hide your losses,LOL
Russian troops in South Ossetia put on alert
MOSCOW – A year after fighting a war with Georgia, Russia strengthened the combat readiness of its troops in rebel region South Ossetia on Tuesday and warned the United States against arming Georgia.
“Provocations from the Georgian side ahead of the anniversary of the August events last year are not stopping,” Andrei Nesterenko, a spokesman for Russia’s Foreign Ministry, said in a statement, referring to last August’s five-day war.
“In connection with this, we have stepped up the combat readiness of Russian troops and border guards.”
South Ossetia accused Georgian forces of firing mortars at the rebel territory last week, underscoring simmering tension in the region which analysts say could boil over into a new war.
Tbilisi denied the charge and monitors from the European Union said they have seen “no evidence” to confirm any shelling.
Russia’s deputy foreign minister Grigory Karasin on Tuesday rapped the United States and Ukraine for rearming ex-Soviet Georgia.
“It is highly regrettable that the Americans are going to further pump up (Georgian President) Mikheil Saakashvili’s military machine,” he told Interfax news agency.
“Washington is playing the key role in rearming the Georgian war machine,” Karasin said, adding that Moscow “would not stand aloof, watching an unpredictable regime being again openly armed right at our borders in the Caucasus”.
He added NATO-aspirant Ukraine is “unfriendly” to Russia by being one of the “most active” arms suppliers to Georgia.
“We believe that the Ukrainian leadership has taken a stand in the issue of military supplies to Georgia that is unfriendly towards us.”
Karasin said Russia would take measures to “deliberately thwart” arms supplies to Tbilisi.
Tension has been escalating in South Ossetia ahead of the anniversary of the war, which falls this week on Aug. 7, and the EU has urged both sides to show restraint.
http://www.kyivpost.com/world/46384
Hot August in Grozny
http://www.watchdog.cz/?show=000000-000005-000004-000128&lang=1
The Chechen units attacking Grozny consisted of 1,500 to 2,000 men. Within a week, their numbers had grown to between 6,000 and 7,000, as a result of the transfer of units from elsewhere in the republic, and also some of the (pro-Moscow) Zavgayev forces changing sides. Russian federal forces consisted of some 15,000 to 20,000 men. The Russians also enjoyed superiority in armored transport and artillery, and absolute control of airspace.
The RIAN list (and not Radio Free Europe’s!) of course ommits this super pathetic defeat.
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20090731/155688764.html
That’s the most bizarre intonation I’ve ever heard.
Is he going in and out of puberty?
Looks like the goat-herders better get their vaseline ready. Here it comes again.
The land between our trenches isn’t far enough AKM. I can only hope and pray that the Northern Islamists dispatch your head from your shoulders. I never thought the day would come that I sided with them but the day is finally upon us. Oh and for the record, bring your drunken lice-ridden best, suka.
Considering the overwhelming Russian tendency to pederasty and paedophilia I am sure AKM has a lot of experience in lubing up while waiting for it to come again.
> Pavel Felgenhauer: “Russia is preparing the ground for a new war against Georgia with the goal of overturning the regime.”
Nonsense. Even if Medvedev wanted to do so, he would never do it because of the terrible experience USA has had in invading Iraq.
@Nonsense. Even if Medvedev wanted to do so, he would never do it
And whatever Medvedev has to say in Russia?
Adame Eshmakidze
“I can only hope and pray that the Northern Islamists dispatch your head from your shoulders.”
But why “the Northern Islamist” ???
No men left in Georgia after the August war?
Genozvali, come and take S.Ossetia/Abkhazia yourself. Say Hello to your tie chewing militant president. You are ever welcome.
Nice to see that RTS is just as illiterate in Georgian as he is in English.
It must come from speaking that ape language that is Russian.
Come to Tbilisi rts, I will give you a neck tie.
Because your precious Russia can’t obviously kill them even on the toilets? I mean, it’s a matter of geographical proximity. They are in Russia, while we aren’t. Actually if I recall, didn’t Russia lose a lot more troops than our guys? Oh yeah, that’s right! They did!
Yes RTS, please come to Tbilisi. I have this nice neck tie for you as well. It’s made from 100% Russian ape tongue – something you are currently chewing on as we speak.
You think he’s got a neck?
Andrew
I am dead sure when we are in Tbilisi we won’t have a single chance to find you there to shoot your head off. You (Georgians) have proved to be brilliant runners, made the whole world laugh at you a year ago.
“Georgians, learn on how to fight well. We’ll come and check it up soon.” — Russian graffitti style in Gori, Poti and Zugdidi.
RTS
I’ll be here waiting for you, and I’m not Georgian.
There is a reason why your army is only of any use when it has massive overwhelming numbers.
It is the inferior nature and traditional cowardice of scum like yourself.
Look at history, man for man you are completely inferior, and the only way you can win is death by avalanche, the good old russian “human” wave. No tactics for slavic morons.
Hell even at Berlin the Germans were killing you at 5 to 1, they just never had enough men.
Napoleon won every battle in Russia, it was his logistics and the Russian countryside that let him down.
The Germans crushed you in the great war.
Georgians may get away to fight another day, but Russians are very good at sticking their hands up and changing sides.
I can’t wait to finish you off with a few rounds to your balls, they will be a very small target though.
@Hell even at Berlin the Germans were killing you at 5 to 1, they just never had enough men.
Maybe in tank crews, or counting only the regular combat troops (very few of them in Berlin, including the French Waffen-SS and such oddities), or something.
Even Seelow Heights slaughter (the “genial” Zhukov in action again) had only about 3:1 ration in Soviet to German dead (despite the overhelming Soviet superiority in everything and one of the spectacular artillery barrages of all time, if not actually the single short heaviest ever – thousands of artillery pieces firing at (empty) German positions), and then they got almost-even at Halbe.
But of course the most German losses were the POWs (including from the surrender) of whom many later died. (And if you were a captured Volksturm/HJ militiaman everything would happen to you, from being shot on the spot to being let go.)
Now, could you tell me why there’s still no a Chechen legion of any kind?
Because the Americans and their European allies demanded the original Georgian Chechen unit be disbanded in 2001 (they did actually form one) as part of the conditions on additional training for the Georgian army.
Personally I think it better to have the Chechens.
Andrew,
It was a different situation because of many reasons:
1. It was all under Shevardnadze.
2. They were clandestine forces (operating more with the Forest Brothers than with the government actually). What I meant is a (semi)regular formation – something like Vostok.
3. Russia wasn’t openly hostile back then. Now you had an international war and you might get another one, with the Georgian independence in mortal danger.
4. In 2008 the Russians brought their own Chechens to Georgia (including “Georgia proper”) to kill Georgians. If there was ever any rule “we don’t play this way” they broke it.
I assure you there would be thousands of Chechen refugees in Europe who would join such an unit, many of them hardened veterans. They would get a job to support their families while bearing arms and possibly get a chance to kill Russians as a bonus if the **** hits the fan. In Chechnya they could only serve Kadyrov (not even any of his rivals, as all of them are now eliminated or at least totally sidelined) or live in forests with Umarov (with no pay whatsoever and actually even little food at times, usual guerrilla life).
Oh, and if the war resumes, you should send saboteurs to Russia to hit the key infrastructure targets, just where it would hurt them the most.
Just like this guys wrote:
http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/following-hezbollah-lessons-in.php
Don’t be such a passive target!
I agree entirely on all counts Robert.
Maybe you ask someone for the reason and tell me.
” sascha // August 4, 2009 at 1:22 pm | Reply
yes,indeed 2000 ossetians were killed,but they were no civilians,but pro-russian militiamen,by the way,3000 russian soldiers were also killed,but you Vodka-scum hide your losses,LOL”
5000 soldiers dead in Russian side?
I would like to see link, that would somehow prove that these numbers could be real, sascha.
ttc > steven, Adamfrom Poland:
“5000 soldiers dead in Russian side?”
And Russian armaments and banners are stocked and piled in and around Saakashvili’s palace in Tbilisi. Next year it will be 500.000 soldiers died on the Russian side. Time makes wonders.
“Next year it will be 500.000 soldiers died on the Russian side. ”
The same Russia that barely managed to field over 100,000 to Chechnya, including the MVD forces of Internal Troops and various police formations? (And it was more than the “mighty” Soviet Union could deploy and keep in Afghanistan anyway.)
Russia nowadays don’t even have this half million combat troops (and their heavy equipment in battle-ready condition, as opposed to be broken-down) to be deployed anywhere. And now count the cost of this operation.
Or maybe you actually think it’s going to be a general mobilization and then human-wave attacks in the style of the Chinese “volunteers” rushed to Korea? Here soldier, have an avtomat and a red flag, now vperod za Putina?
Or maybe you’re just really stupid. Oh wait, you are.
Oh well, I thought you meant the Russian strenght “next year”. You didn’t? Apparently there’s some sanity still left in you.
@You (Georgians) have proved to be brilliant runners
Not so much as the valiant and brave Ossetian militiamen, who even crossed the international border while fleeing in their thousands on day one (and many regulars with them too).
Robert
“The same Russia that barely managed to field over 100,000 to Chechnya, including the MVD forces of Internal Troops and various police formations?”
Let me note in 1995-1996 it was not Putin’s Russia. “Brigade general” Boris Berezovsky presently is resting in London under the MI6 protection. Things you know, they are changing and Russia is no exception. In 1999-2000 they (under Putin) did it very well in and around Chechnya.
The Ruskies don’t need “half million combat troops and their heavy equipment in battle-ready condition” to make Georgian soldiers start their run and hide operation. In much weaker Abhasia they played that same run and hide game on Georgian soldiers back in 1992-1993. Your logical framework is corrupt in its very core. You don’t need too much to make them run faster then wind. As a matter of fact several army units were used during last war on Russian side and it proved to be more than enough.
“And now count the cost of this operation.”
There were complaints on the high transportation costs of Georgian armaments to Russia. It took them 60 trains to deliver “ready to be used equipment” of the “former” Georgian army as it was reported in October 2008 in the Russian media.
“Or maybe you actually think it’s going to be a general mobilization and then human-wave attacks in the style of the Chinese “volunteers” rushed to Korea? Here soldier, have an avtomat and a red flag, now vperod za Putina?”
Did you see ” general mobilization in Russia and then human-wave attacks in the style of the Chinese “volunteers”” last year? I bet my bottom dollar you’ll never see such a scenario during your life-time.
Just in case you meant a general war with the West – then ashes to ashes, dust to dust. There are idiots in NATO, but not idiots to that extent.
For that purpose downgraded Third world clowns like Saakashvili are mostly used virtually for free.
“In 1999-2000 they (under Putin) did it very well in and around Chechnya.”
And how “very well” are they doing 10 years (TEN YEARS) later in 2009 (under Putin)?
Let’s see. On Monday, 5 police sent from Russia were killed in an ambush, 4-6 others were injured and only 2 escaped unharmed (escaped literally, in a car) with no “bandit” losses. Last week, “Chechen police” killed 2 more sent from Russia allegedly in accident (one of them “looked like Said Buryatsky”, the half-Russian half-Buryat rebel leader who just sent a guy to blow up Kadyrov in Grozny and almost succeeded). The OMON reacted by entering a Stavropol Krai prison camp and savagely beating everyone from Chechnya and Ingushetia:
http://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/10809
In case if you don’t know, OMON entry into a prison camp looks like that:
Hi Robert,
Useful idiots complain about Gitmo and Abu, but this statement, from yor link, says it all:
“In the labour-corrective colony (LCC) No. 11, located in the city of Mikhailovsk, Stavropol Territory, militiamen accomplished a mass beating of prisoners. There are broken heads, fractured arms and legs and so on. One of the employees of the colony told me about the incident by phone,” Mr Apaev asserts.
LES, check out the YouTube video I posted above to see what an OMON “preventive action” in the neoGULAG looks like.
Btw, Chechen POWs (“captured bandits”) were in much, MUCH worse conditions (if not murdered outright). Check out this video uncovered by Politkovskaya:
http://2004.novayagazeta.ru/nomer/2004/25n/amnist.zip
It’s not on YT, because it’s too drastic – they’re literally dying there, at the end there’s a mound of dead, naked bodies next to a prisoner-transport truck. (Not a pyramid of live dead prisoners like in Abu Ghraib US, but of freshly-died corpses, tortured to death.)
And check this out: they surrendered because were supposed to be “amnestied”.
@Not a pyramid of live dead prisoners
I meant “of live prisoners” of course.
And btw:
Russian inmates used for torture, activist says
By KARINA IOFFEE
Associated Press
2009-08-04 11:52 PM
A prominent Russian human rights activists accused the prison system Tuesday of using hardened criminals to torture other inmates with the aim of extracting confessions.
Lev Ponomaryov said his organization, For Human Rights, has received many letters from prisoners reporting abuse.
“There exist about a dozens of these concentration camps, and I’m not exaggerating here, in which groups of the toughest criminals, people who are serving time for pedophilia, for rape and other crimes, get official permission to torture, to rape and sometimes even to kill whomever they are told,” Ponomaryov said at a news conference.
http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=1022409&lang=eng_news
@”Let me note in 1995-1996 it was not Putin’s Russia.”
Oh. So, where he was and what he was doing?
“In 1999-2000 they (under Putin) did it very well in and around Chechnya.”
And that’s what I meant by the 100,000 (counting all of this rabble sent from all over Russia by all “power ministries”, not coordinated with each other as usual). In 1994 they managed to send only 40,000 (later increased, but would be be much more if not the enormous attrition rate).
“Did you see ” general mobilization in Russia and then human-wave attacks in the style of the Chinese “volunteers”” last year?”
No, but I’ve seen drunk looters driving civilian tractors.
Even better.
Robert
No, but I’ve seen drunk looters driving civilian tractors.
Yes, war is a nasty thing and has its own logic on this level.
“In 1999-2000 they (under Putin) did it very well in and around Chechnya.”
No they didn’t well and you know it. Yes, the control over part of teritory and most of population was gained, but at what cost?
The Ichkerian forces were crushed or forced to take Russian/Kadyrov side only by massive artilery shelling and bombing towns and villages. Thousands destroyed homes, tens of thousands killed civilians and refugees.
ttc
By 1994 in Russia they didn’t seem to forget about “tens of thousands” killed Russian “civilians and refugees” from the semi-independent Chechnya in 1991-1994 under general Dudaev. Let me give you just one number for the year 1990 – about 50% of the population of the city of Grozny were of Slavic origin (in 1995 less than 10%). It was real hard to wake up post-Soviet Russian Big Bear. They did it, they got it.
Same story about Bush/Chaney neocon team with their plan to drive Russia away from the south Caucauses using Georgian phsycopath Saakashvili imported from the US madhouse to do the dirty share of work. The result of all this “global projection of US power” in 10.000 miles from the US coast is as such as we can see. The worst thing is the bear’s on the alert for the US move in the region and Obamaman has failed to balance out his fury. In other words the game has just begun and things are to get interesting right about now.
Brzhezinsky wanted to play chess on the world map? Get it and sign it here, there and everywhere – Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, Russia, China and BRIC countries. Not a bad company for Russia.
“Let me give you just one number for the year 1990 – about 50% of the population of the city of Grozny were of Slavic origin (in 1995 less than 10%).”
Well, what can I say? Congratulations for killing or displacing so many of them while “liberating” the city.
Also check out the peacetime Russian emigration from, say, even Ingushetia (which, mind you, back then chose to peacefully separate from Checheno-Ingushetia and JOIN the Russian Federation).
“It was real hard to wake up post-Soviet Russian Big Bear. They did it, they got it.”
Take THIS, Russian babushkas!
http://www.internal-displacement.org/8025708F004CE90B/httpPictureGalleryImage?readform&country=Russian%20Federation&unid=0FE865DCAF1CA4CAC12574240030DE2A&image=9
For example.
“No they didn’t well and you know it. Yes, the control over part of teritory and most of population was gained, but at what cost?”
Not only this – at what speed (even slower than in the 1st war, a few months for armored columns to cross 40 kilometers of flat terrain to even get to the outsikrts of Grozny, next few months to capture the city and get into the mountains at the same, and the next few months still to take the population centers in the mountains – while in 2003 all of Iraq was taken in less than 1 month, including the huge multi-million city of Baghdad in 3 days).
@rts
“Bush/Chaney”
“south Caucauses”
“Georgian phsycopath”
“Brzhezinsky”
“Afganistan”
I see you’re under so much stress now, comrade. Here, have an another hint as for the Grozny’s Mystery of Disappearing Russians:
http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP3=ViewBox_VPage&VBID=2K1HZOMF86AKR&IT=ZoomImage01_VForm&IID=2S5RYDYXPNM1&PN=1&CT=Search
Can I except a “genocide investigation” by “President Medvedev” on this, too? Quite a few years passed since then, and this amazing Mystery of Disappearing Russians should be solved in our lifetime, don’t you think?
Robert
Take THIS, Russian babushkas!
http://www.internal-displacement.org/8025708F004CE90B/httpPictureGalleryImage?readform&country=Russian%20Federation&unid=0FE865DCAF1CA4CAC12574240030DE2A&image=9
I got your link as a sample of propaganda smokescreen. Do you really think it’s a big problem to pick up a couple of pics of killed civilians in El Falluja?
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_used_chemical_weapons_in_falluja/
Who is more criminal Russia or the USA?
Both of them or none of them? Your answer will help me to clear up our differences.
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“Iraq was taken in less than 1 month, including the huge multi-million city of Baghdad in 3 days”
Let me discover the underlying reality. — Russia could destroy the world several times over. What stopped them Russians to make Chechnya a flat desert in 1995, 1999? Can tell you no nukes were meant for that small territory.
So what? Rack your braines.
@”I got your link as a sample of propaganda smokescreen. ”
Oh, and I thought you were actually interested in the Mystery of Dissappearing Russians. Aren’t you anymore? OK, we may change the subject if you feel uncomfortable now.
@”Do you really think it’s a big problem to pick up a couple of pics of killed civilians in El Falluja?”
Yes, please me show the “pics” of American civilians (and also they have to be White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestants) killedby the US forces in “El Falluja” (wherever it is, never heard of such place).
@”http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_used_chemical_weapons_in_falluja/ Who is more criminal Russia or the USA?”
Dude, when Russia used WP in Grozny (every fourth artillery shell fired, if I remember correctly) no one even was outraged. Because it’s not “chemical weapons”, but also because no one cares for Russia is doing (even to Russian civilians in a “Russian city” “in Russia”).
Oh yes, every 4th-5th:
“Smokes obscure vision and are used to hide troops, equipment, and areas from detection. Smoke screens are essential for movement in city fighting. In the December 1994 battle for Grozny in Chechnya, every fourth or fifth Russian artillery or mortar round fired was a smoke or white phosphorus round.”
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/wp.htm
However, chemical weapons (real ones) were used by Russia against Chechens. Even in Moscow, where in the best-known and well-documented incident they killed over 170 Russian and foreign civilians on October 26, 2002.
@”Let me discover the underlying reality. — Russia could destroy the world several times over. ”
Let me discover the underlying reality. — the USA could destroy the world several times over. Also yawn.
@”Rack your braines.”
In English please.
Oh, and some details from the US Army study of the Russian tactics in Grozny (from 1995):
Smoke and tear-gas.
Smoke and white phosphorus rounds were very useful in Grozny. White phosphorus, which burns upon explosion, creates a smoke screen and, since smoke is essential for movement in city fighting, every fourth or fifth Russian artillery or mortar round fired was a smoke or white phosphorus round. The Russians point out a side benefit of white phosphorus is that white phosphorus smoke is toxic and readily penetrates protective mask filters. White phosphorus is not banned by any treaty. Tear gas grenades were also very useful in the fighting in Grozny.
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/grozny.htm
Oh, and if your read YOUR OWN LINK beyond the headline:
“The blogosphere is abuzz with a report in The Independent that there is “new evidence” that U.S. military used “chemical weapons” during its assault on Falluja last year. The problem is that the weapons in question are not “chemical weapons” in the usual sense of the word and that we knew about this contemporaneously. (…) Secondly, while white phosphorous is a chemical it isn’t considered a “chemical weapon.” Indeed, despite the very long history of its use it is not banned by the Chemical Weapons Convention or any other treaty (…) The shells in question were delivered by indirect fire–mortars and/or artillery. The civilian population was not the principal target.”
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/us_used_chemical_weapons_in_falluja/
Aparently you are too stupid to even read your own sources. But I knew already how dumb you are, so don’t worry.
Hey, what about if we return to the Mystery of Disappearing Russians? I think I could help you solve this puzzle, but it would be only just more visual hints and clues (with some commentary).
Ready? Let’s go, I’ll show you something.
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/grozny/photo_01.html
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/grozny/photo_02.html
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/grozny/photo_15.html
Robert I know you like to wack-off to the thought of Russians disappearing, but thats simply impossible. Even if Russia disappeared as a country Russians all around the world would still survive. Jews did it without a country for centuries.
AKM, we all know you like to jack-off to dead caucasians, and to putins pederast photo shoots for gay Russia today.
Whats your point cabana boy?
AKM,
@”Robert I know you like to wack-off to the thought of Russians disappearing, but thats simply impossible. Even if Russia disappeared as a country Russians all around the world would still survive. Jews did it without a country for centuries.”
Translation:
“It’s… it’s simply impossible they all disappeared! Our telescreen said our glorious leader’s policies there were successful and it’s still a Russian land! Chechnya is full of Russians! Must be! They… they… they all hide under these headscarves enforced by Ramzan Akhmadovich! They hide in the sewer system, like them Jews without country did in Warsaw, and they will come out when the time is right! Oh well, maybe not, but anyway, there are still plenty of Russians elsewhere. Ha! Today Chechnya, tommorow whole Caucasus!”
Also,