EDITORIAL: Stormclouds over Georgia

EDITORIAL

Stormclouds over Georgia

No sooner had we republished last week a report by the brilliant defense analyst Pavel Felgenhauer warning that dark clouds of Russian war were hovering over Georgia than the Georgian government arrested a group of so-called “opposition” political actors and charged them with attempting, on video, to purchase a huge cache of automatic weapons.

That’s “opposition,” all right — Russian-style opposition!

We dare to wonder how the people of Russia would react if Gary Kasparov and a group of followers were apprehended buying combat weapons and speaking about how to stir unrest and unseat the Putin regime.  Would they accuse Putin of destroying democracy by arresting them, as Russian nationalists are now doing in regard to Georgia?  Would they give any credence to accusations that Putin’s minions had planted the weapons to frame the would-be terrorists, as the Russian nationalistss are now claiming in regard to Georgia?

We don’t think that’s conceivable.

Radio Free Europe reports that Russia is already engaged in an aggressive effort to impose the Russian language on Abkhazia, and based on Felgenhauer’s reports it’s clear Russia has no plans to limit its annexation to Abkhazia and Ossetia. It wants to have Georgians in Tbilisi speaking Russian too, and the sooner the better.

Given all this horror, it’s not difficult to see the efforts of Senators Hart and Hagel described in our lead editorial as part and parcel of an ongoing battle plan developed by the Kremlin to recreate the Soviet empire, with helpful American stooges playing their role.

Perhaps it’s time to get serious, Mr. Obama?

50 responses to “EDITORIAL: Stormclouds over Georgia

  1. Does Putin really believe that ignoring the reality of Russia and focusing on scratching back the Soviet breakaways inch by inch, like a Hollywood zombie trying to scratch it’s way out of a grave will actually work? Does it think that bringing Georgia back into the sheep’s pen will make the Ukraine and other regions softer targets, or somehow make Russia stronger? Even while Russians themselves try to break new regions away for Russia?

    I want Putin tested for mercury poisoning.

  2. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

    Who needs that crap again? Me? I don’t need Georgia in any kind. It was the worst parasite on the body of USSR. Georgian corruption was famous among all citizens of SU. Proud highlanders never worked and still have no idea how to do it. Georgians proved themselves as losers with their independence. Georgian failed state is a simple result of “Georgia for Georgians” politics.
    Mercury? Well, at least you can try. We will be meet soon

    • Yes, you will be meat soon.

    • Actually you sound like you are describing Russians VVP.

      Russia is a parasite which sucked the life blood from the Baltic states, Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnya, Azerbaijahn, Kazakstan etc, with a series of genocidal pogroms, massive repression of local languages & cultures, and the outright theft of local resources.

      Most of Georgia’s problems are a direct result of Russian agression and sponsorship of ethnic cleansing by Russian backed separatists during the 90’s.

      It is interesting to note that Russian racism towards Georgians was caused by their relative prosperity, which was due to the fact that they actually bother to work, unlike the average Russian.

      Give a Georgian a job, and they are hard industrious workers, unlike the lazy and brain-dead sheeple of Russia.

  3. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

    Yeah, well done Andrew! Give me more passion!
    Robert, too weak. Try again,,,

    • First learn to at least punctuate properly.

      • Феофан Лубянский

        Dear Robert, if You want to become a real russophobe You should learn Russian))))

        • Actually I learnt some basic Russian in school, however “Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin” (what a fitting nickname) is writing in broken English.

          Actually even in the Russian language there is no “,,,” (used by him repeatedly) – or “))))” (used by you now). Maybe in the retardspeak dialect of Russian, but I don’t know much about this.

          • Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

            Yeah, broken English,,,
            I am ashamed and decided to quit government and surrender to Kasparov. His English is much better,,,

  4. Феофан Лубянский

    Andrew, calm down.
    You have some problems with history and geography. )))

    “Most of Georgia’s problems are a direct result of Russian agression and sponsorship of ethnic cleansing by Russian backed separatists during the 90’s.”
    Really? Do you know about Georgian president Z. Gamsahurdia and his attitude to abkhasians and ossetins?
    Gamsahurdia words:
    “Грузия для грузин, осетины, вон из Грузии”
    ” Осетины — необразованные, дикие люди. Умелые люди могут легко управлять ими”

    Another Your howler is
    “It is interesting to note that Russian racism towards Georgians was caused by their relative prosperity…”
    Do You know about Georgian criminality in the USSR, may be You know about Georgian “воры в законе”?

    If you don`t know about this facts you shouldn`t discuss this problem.)))

    • No, rather “do you know about Georgian president Z. Gamsa[k]hurdia”? Because he’s long deposed (by Georgians), dead (by suicide) and buried (in Grozny).

      “[A]bkhasians” and “ossetins” are not even real (properly spelled) words, not to mention these weird “)))” things. I don’t even know why I’m answering to messages from the people who are apparently mentally challenged and have “some problems” even with expressing themselves.

      • Феофан Лубянский

        ” I don’t even know why I’m answering to messages…”
        Oh…
        I don`t know why you are answering to my messages. If you don`t want to answer You can ingnore me and continue discuss this problem only with beginner russophobes like Andrew. :)))

    • Actually Theophan,

      The majority of crime in Russia is comitted by Russians, and it is the west that has a problem with RUSSIAN ciminality.

      Russians frequently blame Georgians, Ukranians, and other ethnic minorities for crime in Russia, but the statistics (particularly those relating to violent & organised crime) show that the vast overwhelming majority of crime is comitted by ethnic Russians.

      “Composition

      The majority of organized crime groups and their members within Russia are ethnically Russian. Furthermore, the majority of violent organized crime groups and their members are also ethnically Russian within Russia’s borders.

      However, the Russian mafia is not limited to ethnic Russians, but to many nationalities from the former Soviet Union, most of which are now collectively known as the Commonwealth of Independent States.

      Chechens make up a disproportionate amount of Russian mafia members inside Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus, and only play a small role in the Russian Mafia’s overseas membership. Russian Jews are also present in the Mafia structure, though it is difficult to determine the number in the Russian mafia. The Russian Mafia also has a multitude of other nationalities such as Ukrainians, Belarusians, Armenians (tied to the Armenian Power gang), Moldovans, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Georgians, Dagestanis, Azeris, and others. Additionally, countries such as Armenia, Georgia, Ukraine, Estonia, Lithuania, Belarus, and Moldova have their own mafia organizations which have extensive links to the Russian mafia.”

      http://pickledfingers.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/russian-mafia/

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Mafia

      https://www.osac.gov/Reports/report.cfm?contentID=97582

      As for the drivel about Gamsakhurdia, he had a VERY good relationship with the Abkhaz, when he was deposed that nasty little fascist Ardzinba (you remember him don’t you? The one responsible for over 30,000 dead Georgian civillians and the ethnic cleansing of over 80% of the provice of Abkhazia’s population (with the significant help of russian Airforce, army & naval units) gave him sanctuary, arms (which came originally from the Russians) and helped him launch acts of terror in west Georgia.

      It was separatists who launched attacks on ethnic Georgians as early as 1989, when Abkhaz separatists from the Apsu minority (18% of Abkhazia’s population) attacked Georgian (the majority of Abkhazia’s population) students & teachers at Sukhumi university killing over 300 unarmed civillians, then in 1992 Abkhaz separatists (armed by Russia) attacked the regional government buildings in Sukhumi once again killing large numbers of civillians, beginning a civil war.

      So svinya, I think you should take your own advice “If you don`t know about this facts you shouldn`t discuss this problem”

      I suggest such a poorly educated bigot such as yourself should shut your mouth.

      Preferably permanently.

  5. Феофан Лубянский

    Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin,
    Я Вас очень прошу, Владимир Владимировчи, кому угодно, но только не Каспарову….)))

    • Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

      “) Да это я, Феофан, так,,, для красного словца,,, они мне еще сами явки с паролями выдадут. дилетанты,,,

      • Феофан Лубянский

        Выдайте мне полониевый ледоруб и я с ними быстро разберусь)))

  6. Феофан Лубянский

    Oh, Andrew,

    You are so big specialist in “Russian mafia” ! ))))
    The firs and the second links about russian mafia are so interesting and cognitive, especially for me :))))

    I watched some American and Britain movies about Russia and russian crime and I want to say that Your knowledges about Russia are very primitives.

    About Abkhazia.

    Yes, Andrew, yes!!!
    Gamsakhurdia had a very good relationship with the Abkhaz an Ossetins. He was the great Georgians democrat :)))) He just wanted to turn out or kill the biggest part of these “wild and uneducated nations”.
    Nothing special, just a normal democratic solution, isn`t it?
    But terrible abkhasians and ossetins didn`t agree with the greatest Georgian democrat because they were a KGB agents. They killed 1 million Georgian civillians, not 30 000, You are wrong! )))

    LA RUSSOPHOBE:

    Why do you feel the need to decorate your “comments” with lots of faces and puntuation marks? Is it because you know your words alone are ridiculous and not worthy of attention? Is it your intention to make all Russians look like silly children?

    “So svinya, I think you should take your own advice “If you don`t know about this facts you shouldn`t discuss this problem”
    I suggest such a poorly educated bigot such as yourself should shut your mouth.”

    Well done, ma Andrew! I see You are very liberal, democratic and polite man. But it`s your problem, not my. )))

    • Theophan,

      You (and most Russians unfortunately) are uneducated, bigoted imperialists.

      Unlike the Germans you have never accepted culpability for your crimes.

      Once again I suggest you follow your own advice and stop posting if you know so little about the subjects you post on.

      However your purile and bigoted posts are proof of everything that LaRussophobe says about RuSSia, so maybe we should be grateful to you for proving her (and most of the others who post here) right.

      • Феофан Лубянский

        “You (and most Russians unfortunately) are uneducated, bigoted imperialists.”
        ))))) no comments…. I don`t wont to answer to your post.

    • “abkhasians and ossetins”

      I told you, no such thing.

      Also Abkhazians =/= the Abkhaz people (who were only a minority among the Abkhazians 20 years ago).

      Really ironically here, it was the Russians who commited an actual genocide of the Abkhaz (along with the others) in their conquest of North Caucasus in the XIXth century – these who were not killed mostly fled or were deported to the Ottomon Empire. Even now, almost 1/3 of them live in Turkey – and there’s less of them now then there were 200 years ago.

      And when they fought Georgians, their deputy defense minister was certain Shamil Basayev. That’s ironic too. But hey, he was even a peacetime prime minister in “the part of Russia”.

      What’s the meaning of “)))”, really? Is this a Russian emoticon, for people born with no eyes because of Chernobyl disaster?
      http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0952-4746/21/3/609

  7. Феофан Лубянский, You have made the point for a typical Mockal numb skull. NO sources,( to clarify information) offered, just the upchucking of your emotions. We are impressed with your ability to educate us. You Ф.Л. are here to illustrate the reasons LaRussophobe exists. Thank you, Comrade Idiot, Typical Moscal for your Patriotic Kremlin view. Keep posting till your blocked for idiocy. Ф.Л. even in your heavy tongued dialect of Russian, you less than sophisticated. Andrew makes me laugh at you, while bringing up good points that increase my knowledge of why RaSSiya is unpopular in the “Zone of Menacing”.

    • Феофан Лубянский

      Спокойней, Джордж, спокойнее. Ведите себя прилично))) Ваша фамилия случайно не Буш?

  8. Феофан Лубянский

    I like to write coments with a faces. I hope it is allowed in this site )))

    “Is it because you know your words alone are ridiculous and not worthy of attention?”
    If my words are so ridiculous why You are read it?

    “Is it your intention to make all Russians look like silly children?”
    Russians are not silly. They are terrible, uneducated and wild people. You are a russophobe so you should know it. )))

    P.S. Now I know, in this web page is usual to offend people who doesn`t agree with other commentators. It is so democratic!!! )))

  9. Democracy doesn’t protect people from being insulted. Grow up.

    Your idiocy isn’t advancing your cause. You are making Russians look like fools.

    • Феофан Лубянский

      I told that Russians are not fools. They are terrible, uneducated and wild people. Why You can`t remember it? )))

  10. Феофан Лубянский

    Russia, of course, is not a normal country. All Russians people are uneducated, bigoted imperialists. They don`t want to be a U.S. colony. Terrible nation!!! You must destroy their country!!!)))

    LA RUSSOPHOBE:

    We realize of course that doing so is an utterly foreign concept for many Russians, but if you want to suggest that Russia is a normal country with educated peole who are not bigoted or imperialist, you might try to offer something by way of evidence to support your position, in the form of links to published reports.

    You see, if you don’t you merely confirm the opposite for all to see, and make Russians look even more foolish than before you spoke.

    In English we have a maxim: “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

  11. Феофан Лубянский

    Вперед, русофобы, колбасные эмигранты!!!))))))

  12. In English we have a maxim: “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

    And the simplified Russian equivalent is Иногда лучше жевать, чем говорить… But Feofans and his friends from Lubyanka will never understand that.

    All I can ponder – is there any Russophile with intelligent arguments?! Or this is the best they can do. Upper Volta, indeed!

  13. Average mathematics scores of eighth-grade students, by country: 2007 (http://nces.ed.gov/timss/table07_1.asp)

    Japan 570
    Russian Federation 512
    United States 508
    Ukraine 462
    Georgia 410

    Well, at least you have your goats George. )))

    LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:

    We have great difficulty seeing what math scores have to do with the topic of this post, and therefore consider your idiotic “comment” to be spam. Keep it up, and you’ll be banned from inserting any comments on our posts.

    The USSR had wonderfully high math scores too. Now, it’s a dead nation. Its scores in other areas, like the real facts of Russian history and those of other nations, were woefully poor and thus prevented Russia from carrying on effective relations with other nations. Meanwhile, despite having lower math scores the per capita GDP of the US is seven or eigh times larger than that of Russia, which goes to show how pathetically the Russian government mobilizes its resources.

    • Amazing, history repeats itself – first time as a tragedy, the second time – as a farce! As LR said, USSR had awesome mathematics scores. In fact, I personally contributed to those scores when I participated in All-Union math Olympics.
      And no intelligent person would quote that fact as an argument that USSR is somehow superior to the West. Conversely, the popular song mocked this statistics:

      Зaто мы дeлaeм рaкeты,
      и покоряeм Енисeй,
      a тaкжe в облaсти бaлeтa –
      мы впeрeди плaнeты всeй

      And now the best thing that Russophiles have is to rely on this ridiculous statistics. For me, it’s the best argument that Russia is like Upper Volta with missiles despite amazing intellectual potential

    • Several commentators including yourself challenged the notion that Russia is an uneducated nation, and called for links to reports that said otherwise.

      I helpfully provided such a link, added value to your blog and as such fail to see how this is spam.

      LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:

      The comments are not a place for an exchange of views on unrelated topics. Our comment guideline rules clearly require that all comments focus on the topic of the post. If you don’t care to read our guidelines, we don’t care to publish your comments. Your attempt to tell us what comments we should and should not publish is ludicrious and offensive since an apology was called for. Since you apparently intend to go on violating our rules, you are banned.

  14. “We dare to wonder how the people of Russia would react if Gary Kasparov and a group of followers were apprehended buying combat weapons and speaking about how to stir unrest and unseat the Putin regime. Would they accuse Putin of destroying democracy by arresting them, as Russian nationalists are now doing in regard to Georgia?”

    Well, the FSB actually tried this on Limonov in 2002.
    http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=6717&IBLOCK_ID=35
    He then spent almost 2 years in prison.

    One year later was of course Trepashkin and the pistol planted in car’s trunk.
    http://eng.trepashkin.ru/court/

  15. Discussing with those apes is a waste of time, while you could be busy exposing yet more Musovite thuggery. This is your blog, just erase their intellectual feces.

  16. Феофан Лубянский

    Ого-го, сколько же вас тут….)))

    Дорогой Felix, здравствуйте!
    Как Ваши дела? Кровавая гэбня еще недобралась до Вас? Будьте бдительны, мало ли что может случиться…

    Слушайте, если все русские такие страшные, тупые и необразованные империалисты, че вы все к ним пристали, а? Вам-то какое дело?)))

    Почему Вы все время пытаетесь загнать Россию “железной рукой” в Ваше же демократическое счастье?
    Спасибо, многие его уже на себе испытали и больше не хотят.
    Да и вообще, Россия сама разберется в своих же проблемах. Не думаю, что так нужны советы некоторых воинствующих демократий)))))

    Блин, сколько же развелось колбасных эмигрантов, а… Не удивлюсь, если этот сайт они же и создали, есть у меня такие подозрения….

    • So, Russia does not want advice from Western democracies. Agreed. However, Western democracies also should keep the money and the technology that Russia desperately needs to keep their oil and gas fields productive to themselves as well. The fact of the matter is that Russia needs the West more than the West needs Russia. You write: “Да и вообще, Россия сама разберется в своих же проблемах,” but past experience clearly demonstrates that Russia is not truly capable of solving its own problems without help.

      • Феофан Лубянский

        “So, Russia does not want advice from Western democracies. Agreed.”
        Странно, но России постоянно что-то советуют, причем даже когда на не просит. Наверное, это и есть истинная демократия))))
        А вообще после 90-х годов нам не очень-то и хочеться слушать нравоучения от Вас))))

        “The fact of the matter is that Russia needs the West more than the West needs Russia”
        Меня тут обзывали тупым русским империалистом, однако я не делал столь категоричных и безапелляционынх заявлений как это. Поверьте, Россия без Вас не пропадет, как, впрочем, и Вы без России. Я все-таки думаю, мы нуждаемся друг в друге в равной степени.

        “…but past experience clearly demonstrates that Russia is not truly capable of solving its own problems without help”
        Во-первых, вы уже помогли в 90-х годах. Большое спасибо за такую помощь, ее надолго запомнили)))
        Во-вторых, говоря об прошлом пыте, Вы, кажется, забыли, что Россия существует более чем два или три столетия. Вы не поверите, но довольно часто в своей истории Россия решала проблемы без помощи США, каким бы странным это Вам не казалось.

        • Yes, those horrible 90s. What the Russian nationalists and neo-Soviets forget is that the root cause of the economic decline of Russia in the 90s was low oil prices and the decrepit economy that the Soviet State had built. You cannot make gold out of говно.

          As for Russian history, if you read your history books, you will discover that Russia served as a provider of raw materials to more advanced states. Russia failed to industrialize, and the when it did push forward, it did so by enslaving its population either as serfs with Peter the Great or as prisoners in Stalin’s Gulags.

          The main cultural accomplishments came through the imitation of the West: Pushkin, for example, was nicknamed “the Frenchman” by his classmates and learned the French language before Russian. You will find a similar pattern with all of the Russian “great” authors.

          Now, Russia is returning to its traditional role of a resource based economy. However, it won’t even be able to do this for very long without foreign investments or foreign technology. The fact of the matter is that Russian can produce as much as it can now, thanks to the West and new technologies it adopted from the West. Without this technology, Russian production would be falling even faster than it is now.

          True, without the West, Russia could transform itself into a North Korea like state. However, the Russian elite like a bit too much the fruits of the West including luxury imports (cars, food, clothes, etc…) and even living in the West given all the homes your oligarchs and politicians bought in France and England.

          The nationalist posturing is good for the masses, it boosts fragile national egos, but the fact of the matter is that Russia and its elites cannot live without the West.

  17. Феофан Лубянский

    Вы спрашиваете, почему Каспаров при задержании кричал по-английски?
    А почему радистка Кэт из “17 мгновений весны” при родах кричала
    по-русски?

  18. Breaking news:

    The guy who won the last-year war for Russia, certain Sulim Y., a Hero of Russia, got yesterday shot in exile in Dubai (an exiled hero) and is either dead or dying.

    He was apparently killed by the men of another Hero of Russia, one Ramzan K. (nom de guerre “El Presidente”).

    • Hi Robert, he is confimed as killed.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7972421.stm

      • I like “see also” there:

        Chechnya’s Kadyrov claims peace
        26 Mar 09 | Europe
        Former Chechen official shot dead
        05 Feb 09 | Europe
        Prominent Russian lawyer killed
        19 Jan 09 | Europe
        Eight held over Chechen killing
        28 Jan 09 | Europe
        Austrians hunt Chechen’s killers
        15 Jan 09 | Europe
        South Russian ex-mayor shot dead
        31 Dec 08 | Europe
        Southern Russia mayor gunned down
        26 Nov 08 | Europe

        Ah, chronicles of the Russian Mafia and the Heroes of the Russian Mafia.

  19. – this is unbelievable!

    “Michel: You cannot make gold out of говно.”

    – You surely can! At least you believe it’s gold!

    – Do you really believe that mess in your head has to do anything with knowledge of russian history or culture, pathetic citizen of an “advanced state”?

    • Mess in my head? Well, my knowledge of Russian history and culture does lead me to question the assumptions (or should I say conceits) that Russians hold about their own country and culture.

      Believing that говно is gold. Perhaps the Russian state should adopt it as the Russian motto LOL!

  20. – you really expect me to educate you?
    I’m seriously unsure this is possible.
    I hope going back to school might help.
    – Is “г…” the only russian word you know?
    I believe it is, otherwise such an intellectual would’ve invented a more complicated motto, genius!

    LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:

    You will cease polluting our blog with your barbaric, ignorant drivel — which violates our comment guidelines and offends us — or you will be banned. It’s that simple. Make your choice. You make Russia look very bad with your sophomoric nonsense. We’ve gone out of our way to allow Russian commenters transiting from InoForum to spew their gibberish, but our patience is now at an end. Our rules will be enforced from now on.

    • Ой видно что ты такой гений (если ты не понимаешь это сарказм между прочим). Если ты такой умниц расскажи сам про истории России. Кроме нефть и газ и старые ракета или самолёта скажи чем можно гордиться в сегодняшний России.

  21. Believing that говно is gold. Perhaps the Russian state should adopt it as the Russian motto LOL!

    I dunno… I still like the one about Russian Eagles eating meat and living decades, while western vultures eating carrion and living centuries better. But this is certainly close second! Maybe we should start the competition “Name Russia-2” and let the folks decide!

  22. Феофан Лубянский

    О, Мишель по-русски заговорил (-ла)
    И это правильно, нужно учить русский, если ты хочешь стать настоящим русофобом. )))))

    • Я заговорил. К сожалению когда человек лучше знает русский он тоже лучше понимает что действительно происходит в России. Для Вас конечно это быть русофобом но для меня значит говорить правду.

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