Russians, Spying on Americans

James Kirchick of Radio Free Eurpe and the New Republic, writing in the New York Daily News:

The FBI arrest last week of 10 alleged Russian spies has produced a shrug of the shoulders on both sides of the Atlantic. On Wednesday, a senior Russian government official told the state-run Interfax news agency that the incident “will not negatively affect Russian-U.S. relations.”

Such soothing tones have been echoed in Washington, where The New York Times reported that the White House “expressed no indignation that its putative partner was spying on it.”

Many analysts are echoing this official nonchalance. Writing in the Financial TimesKing’s College London Prof. Anatol Lieven concluded that the brouhaha is but a “temporary rift” in Russo-American relations, and should do nothing to forestall the fruitful development of the “west scaling back its ambitions in the former Soviet Union with Russia‘s growing realization that it needs a new partnership with its former U.S. and European rivals.”

While many of the details of the Russian “illegals,” covert agents assuming false identities without diplomatic cover, are indeed amusing, they obscure a more important story: Far from becoming a more responsible international citizen in response to Washington’s outreach – “the reset” – Russia continues to crack down on internal dissent, threaten its neighbors and impede efforts at reining in rogue states. Laughing this incident away as but a minor blip in relations between the United States and Russia does a disservice to both countries, not to mention the Russian people.

The case Lieven makes for improved Russian behavior on the world stage is typical of Kremlin apologists. He says that Russia deserves credit because, since the initiation of the reset, it decided to sign the new START treaty on nuclear arms reduction, “supported more pressure on Iran,” “increased help for U.S. and NATO communications to Afghanistan” and, “perhaps most importantly, Moscow has not taken advantage of the deep recessions in the Baltic states to stir up unrest among Russian minorities there – as it easily might have done.”

This list of contributions to international peace and goodwill would be heartening were they in any way meaningful. Regarding the much-vaunted agreement on nuclear arsenals, both the U.S. and Russia have been steadily reducing their stockpiles for years, and the new treaty does not address Russia’s numerical advantage in tactical nuclear weapons, the sort that can be used in a battlefield scenario. As for Iran, Russia would only sponsor last month’s UN Security Council resolution after it had been heavily watered down and the U.S. government agreed to lift sanctions on four Russian businesses engaged in the supply of military hardware to the Islamic Republic.

On Afghanistan, it’s true that Russia decided last year to allow up to 10 NATO flights per day over its territory. But since the signing of that agreement, fewer than 300 such flights have taken place, a number that should be at least 10 times higher. Furthermore, Russia has repeatedly tried to coerce the provisional government in the central Asian nation of Kyrgyzstan to evict an American air base crucial to the NATO supply effort. And if the greatest evidence of Russian beneficence that Lieven can muster is what Russia hasn’t done – namely, avoid the temptation to stir up ethnic tensions in the Baltics – then that’s hardly an expression of confidence.

Meanwhile, Russia continues to be marked by domestic authoritarianism and aggression beyond its borders. The harassment and murder of journalists and human rights advocates continues unabated. Press freedom has declined precipitously since Prime Minister Vladimir Putin came to power 10 years ago. Baton-wielding riot police regularly break up peaceful demonstrations. A recently “leaked” Russian foreign policy document cites NATO enlargement – the consensual process by which sovereign states, once held captive behind the Iron Curtain, decide to join an alliance of free and democratic nations – as the greatest threat to Russian security, underscoring the paranoid mind-set that dominates Kremlin thinking. And nearly two years after its invasion of Georgia, Russia continues to occupy 20% of the country’s territory, has illegally recognized two separatist provinces as “independent” states and stands in violation of a European Union-brokered ceasefire.

There are many delicious details about the Russian spy scandal, from the ham-handed tactics of the would-be James Bonds to the conspiracy theory-laden, Spanish language columns of accused mole Vicky Pelaez. These make it easy for those with rose-colored glasses to wave the incident away as a distraction from the far greater task of “resetting” our relations with Russia. But a decade of Putinism at home and abroad provides very little to laugh about.

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36 responses to “Russians, Spying on Americans

  1. I already aired this idea at Streewise Prof, but would like put it to people here as well.

    Might I suggest the following? We all know that Russia can’t do “economic reform”, can’t do “high tech”, can’t do “road-building”, can’t do “freedom”, etc etc. Why expect Russia to be able to do “spying”?

    Why Russia can’t is because it’s a land where the overwhelming majority of the people have no morals, no feeling of duty and obligation, no concept of contract. On the other hand, those same people have plenty of lazy greed. In other words, it a a place where most of the people are deeply and profoundly corrupt and dishonest.

    Everything from big matters to small ones is based on rip-off. [I have just today been comparing two brands of crispbread, one Russian and one imported. The imported one costs 50% more for a packet of the same approximate volume. Only problem with the Russian one is that having got it home, I now notice it weighs at least 50% less (I’ve been ripped off on the actual content, which is mostly air) while quality-wise the imported item is made of best rye flour and the Russian one is a nasty mix of air and biscuit.]

    Once again: EVERYTHING IN RUSSIA – from big matters to small ones – is based on rip-off.

    There is a point to my aside above. My guess would be that a group of sweet little Russian airhead neo-nazis were recruited at some Seliger-style summer camp for self-serving little Nashi sh*ts for the “important job” of going as illegals to the US, accepted, took as much money possible and then cheerfully ripped off their paymasters with minimum deliveries. It would be par for the course. And the paymasters wouldn’t be checking too hard either since their aim is in turn to rip off their paymasters by doing as little as possible for their salaries.

    • Dave wrote: “Why expect Russia to be able to do “spying”?

      Stop looking for excuses. The fact is that for the last 10 to 20 years a gigantic team of top-notch and highly paid FBI experts have wasted $hundreds of millions of hard-earned taxpayers’ money on spying against dozens if not hundreds (yes, hundreds, because usually for every indicted suspect there are ten unindicted) of middle class American residents just because they, like many other immigrants from Russia and all other countries (for example, Ayn Rand aka Alisa Zinov’yevna Rosenbaum), had changed their names when they came to America. Take Anna Kushchenko, who married an American chap Alex Chapman and kept her husband’s name Chapman after divorce. Well, my own ex-wife also kept my last name after our divorce. And my children also bear my last name. They all must be spies!

      And having wasted these $hundreds of millions, all the FBI managed to discover is that all these suspects have no interest in any secrets and haven’t stolen a single one over almost 20 years of surveillance. And the FBI had to settle for charging all 11 of these “suspects” with not registering with the government that they receive money from Moscow and not reporting this income to the IRS. BTW, money for what?! Why would the stingy Russian government pay millions of rubles per year to each of these people for almost 20 years just so that they would enjoy their life in the American suburbia and do nothing to find out one measly little secret in 20 years? If we were to believe the FBI story, the Russian government must have paid these 11 people a total of at least $10 million over the past 10 to 20 years for doing absolutely nothing. Have you ever heard of the KGB wasting $10 million over 10 years on a spy ring that produces absolutely nothing and still keeping it on the payroll?! Give me a break.

      Let me see… Among the accused are an alumnus of John F. Kennedy Graduate School of Government at Harvard University, a journalist with the largest and oldest Spanish-language newspaper in America and other top-notch people. And we are to believe that for the last 10 years they have been trying to get in contact with top decision-makers in USA to find out American secrets, but failed because they are Russians, and all Russians – even those who are smart enough to be accepted to and graduate from Harvard University ‘s John F. Kennedy Graduate School of Government – are too stupid to accomplish anything?! Nonsense.

      The incompetent party here are not these 11 poor slobs who did nothing wrong other than under-reporting their taxable income. The incompetent party is the FBI that has wasted the taxpayers’ money on nothing and is now making a hysterical and “heroic” headline story out of its arrest of 11 people for tax cheating. Hold the presses! Sensational news! Eleven vicious Russian spies posed as taxpayers and cheated the IRS out of $hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax revenue! This is the first time somebody has been arrested in America for cheating on their taxes! … Yeh, right. The FBI is engaged in the most bizarre PR campaign here.

      Dave also wrote: “My guess would be that a group of sweet little Russian airhead neo-nazis were recruited at some Seliger-style summer camp

      Sweet little Russian airhead Neo-Nazis graduating from Harvard University ‘s John F. Kennedy Graduate School of Government? I think you are the one who should drive to the nearest gas station and check the air pressure in your head.

      • You say:
        Dave also wrote: “My guess would be that a group of sweet little Russian airhead neo-nazis were recruited at some Seliger-style summer camp”

        Sweet little Russian airhead Neo-Nazis graduating from Harvard University ‘s John F. Kennedy Graduate School of Government? I think you are the one who should drive to the nearest gas station and check the air pressure in your head.”

        I say:
        Fortunately for me, I refuel at La Russophobe and run on quality gas and air.

        Get better mileage that way (and the gauges are properly calibrated).

    • Oh Voice Of Retardation, your pathetic writing style is proof that Darwin was wrong.

      BTW, Dave was referring to the fact that the product weighed 50% less than the label stated, which is not unusual for Russian products, given the cultural tendency towards dishonesty.

      Guess you were too stupid to understand plain English….

      • Andrew wrote: “BTW, Dave was referring to the fact that the product weighed 50% less than the label stated.”

        Really? Where exactly did Dave say that “the product weighed 50% less than the label stated“? Quote form his text please. Dave Essel wrote:

        I have just today been comparing two brands of crispbread, one Russian and one imported. The imported one costs 50% more for a packet of the same approximate volume. Only problem with the Russian one is that having got it home, I now notice it weighs at least 50% less (I’ve been ripped off on the actual content, which is mostly air) while quality-wise the imported item is made of best rye flour and the Russian one is a nasty mix of air and biscuit.

        He doesn’t even mention the word “label’ at all. What he says is that the “Russian” crispbread weighs 50% less than the “imported” one.

        When was the first time the doctors diagnosed a severe mental deficiency in you? Was it the result of your mother dropping you on the cement floor, or were you born that way, Andrew?

        You have been through the same motions many times before, constantly accusing others of mathematical stupidity and “lying”, only to find out that it is you who suffers from severe mathematical/logical inadequacy and of non-existent reading comprehension.

        Like the time when you couldn’t comprehend the concept of per capita averaging and stupidly accused me of math deficiency using such epithets as “Obviously maths is not Ostaps strongpoint… Learn to read bender boy.“. It took me three of four excruciating explanations before you finally understood this concept:

        http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/editorial-russia-exposed-as-the-black-sheep-of-bric/#comment-49441

        Or the time when on May 1, 2010 at 9:53 am I posted direct quotes from Yury Foreman that he is a Russian Jew:

        https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/editorial-russia-brutalizes-its-children/#comment-73151
        In Russia, I was a Jew. In Israel, I was a Russian… We went to Haifa City Hall and begged for a little place for a Russian Jew to put up a ring. They told us ‘go box with the Arabs….You are a Russian Jew and they know that. They were trying to hurt you,” Foreman says of the fighters training there.

        but you kept on throwing one hysterical fit after another all day on May 1 and on May 2, claiming that you couldn’t understand what these quotes meant:

        Andrew // May 2, 2010 at 6:21 am
        RTR, you said he was a “Russian Jew”. You were lying. Show us where he calls himself a “Russian Jew”… Oops, looks like Voice of Retardation got caught lying again….. Show us where he calls himself a “Russian Jew”. So far you have provided no evidence.”

        Why do I need to waste my time trying to explain simple math and logic to a mentally challenged child like you?

        Guess you were too stupid to understand plain English….

        You guessed wrong. But that’s what happens to all apes who cannot think, cannot read and have to rely on blind guessing.

        • “lerussophob” / “Ostap Bender” / whatever

          Why won’t you just stick to one false name? I mean, seriously, how many of your “friends” here is just you, high-faving yourself when not sobbing all alone, with no friends even on the Internet?

          I’m guessing you were best-known as RTR, a “Russian-American” character. But are you also posing as Dima-boy, a retarded kid from Russia? Were you this Photophobe “Greek progressive anti-imperialist internationalist”? Or even “I am Russian”, which I thought was Russia’s failed artifactial intelligence project? I really wonder, you know.

          I guess schizophrenia is a b**** indeed, but would you also say why are you SO obsessed with a blog on the Internet to create not only a number of fictional personalities in order to post here but even some kind of counter-blog that no one ever read at all?

          • This, or you’re just another overpaid Russian “intelligence” operative on an “important mission”, like these clowns who were caught by the FBI.

            It would explain the unnecessary use of fake names, too.

    • Evidence that even the Serbs are capable of recognising their past sins, unlike vermin such as ReTaRd and his fellow Russians….

      Serbs Honor Srebrenica Victims With Shoe Memorial

      http://www.rferl.org/content/Serbs_Honor_Srebrenica_Victims_With_Shoe_Memorial/2096026.html

      Considering that ReTaRd denies any Serbian war crimes ever took place, this must be pretty humiliating for him….

      • Whatever, no one is going to kneel in front of you, we owe you nothing, get over it, LONG LIVE RUSSIA!!!

      • @Serbs

        There’s much of this happening in Serbia right now. Remember how thousands of Kosovo Albanians were disappeared without trace by the “special police” and paramilitaries in 1999? The authorities are finding them in the mass graves in the Serbian territory: http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/27961/

        • Yes, the Serbs were certainly playing from the Russian handbook on state terror against ethnic minorities.

          The difference is that some of them actually seem to be sorry for it.

    • David,

      I would be interested in your opinion of this:

      http://libertypeace.blogspot.com/2010/07/russian-spies-and-aerated-crisps.html

      • Hello ReTaRd, really, why all the name changes?

        Making up for the fact that you are so repulsive an individual that you have no friends?

  2. Lieven was great in the 1990s, http://yalepress.yale.edu/book.asp?isbn=9780300073980 was a very good first-hand account book.

    What happened with him since then, I have no idea. He’s became unrecognisable, like in Body Snatchers.

  3. ReTaRd, did you miss the bit where several of these people admitted to being agents of the SVR?

    AFP: Spy suspect confessed to being Russian agent, US prosecutors said

    New York. One of the suspects in the Russia spy scandal confessed after his arrest to working for Russia’s SVR foreign intelligence service, US prosecutors said Thursday, as quoted by AFP.
    The confession was detailed in a letter sent by prosecutors to encourage judge Ronald Ellis to deny bail to the suspect, who went by the name of Juan Lazaro.
    In the letter, prosecutors outline how Lazaro admitted in a “lengthy post-arrest statement” to working for the “Service” — an abbreviation used in official court documents for Russia’s SVR foreign intelligence service, a successor of the Cold War-era KGB.
    Lazaro also stated that his co-accused, Peruvian journalist Vicky Pelaez, had delivered correspondence on his behalf to the SVR, and that the house they shared in Yonkers, outside New York, was paid for by their Russian spymasters.
    “After being given his Miranda warnings (and waiving them), Lazaro admitted, among other things, that he was not born in Uruguay; that ‘Juan Lazaro’ was not his true name; that Pelaez had traveled to the South American country in 2000; that Pelaez had delivered letters to the ‘Service’ on his behalf; that the Yonkers House had been paid for by the ‘Service'; and that, although he (Lazaro) loved his son, he would not violate his loyalty to the ‘Service’ even for his son. Lazaro refused to provide his true name,” the letter said.

    http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n224182

    And…

    Russian spy case: accused couple admit using false identities
    Michael Zottoli and Patricia Mills reveal their Russian names to FBI investigators

    Two of the 11 accused Russian agents, charged over an alleged deep cover spy ring in the US, have admitted their true identities to the FBI.

    The pair, who went by the false names Michael Zottoli and Patricia Mills, told investigators they are really Mikhail Kutzik and Natalia Pereverzeva. The couple claimed to be married and have two children who were taken in to care after their parents were arrested at a flat in Arlington, Virginia, earlier the week.

    The couple may have been obliged to reveal their identities for the good of their children, aged one and two. The FBI said Kutzik and Pereverzeva have asked for them to be returned to the care of family in Russia while they are detained in the US.

    Prosecutors revealed the couple’s true identities to a Virginia court yesterday where the pair were seeking bail along with a third alleged spy, Mikhail Semenko. The judge ruled that all three must remain in custody because they are a flight risk.

    In a letter to the court, prosecutors said that Zottoli had claimed to be a US citizen born in Yonkers, New York, and Mills purported to be a Canadian. But under interrogation both admitted to being Russians.

    “Zottoli admitted to FBI agents that he is a Russian citizen who true name is Mikhail Kutzik, that his date of birth is different than the one he used under the Zottoli identity, and that his father lived in Russia,” the letter said.

    “Similarly, Mills … admitted that she is, in fact, a Russian citizen named Natalia Pereverzeva. Mills further stated that her parents, brother, and sister still live in Russia.” The FBI described the couple as “highly trained” by the Russian intelligence service, the SVR.

    Prosecutors said that following the arrest of the couple, investigators discovered $100,000 in new $100 bills stuffed in to two safe deposit boxes as well as passports in their false names.

    The FBI also discovered covert communications equipment. It said it was able to establish links between the couple and other alleged members of the spy ring. It says it discovered a computer in the couple’s house that was delivered from Moscow earlier this year by a man calling himself Richard Murphy, who was arrested in New Jersey.

    “When Zottoli and Mills had trouble communicating covertly with the SVR … they travelled to New York City, where co-conspirator Richard Murphy gave Zottoli a new laptop computer that Murphy brought back from Moscow,” the prosecution’s letter said.

    “Zottoli and Mills travelled to New York on four occasions to obtain money and supplies for their work as SVR agents: in 2004, Zottoli arranged to meet Richard Murphy near Columbus Circle to receive money, and Mills stood lookout.” Two years later the couple travelled to Wurtsboro, New York, where Zottoli dug up a package of money that had been buried there two years earlier by a fellow conspirator, according to the FBI.

    Last year, Murphy delivered the couple $150,000 and a flash memory card.

    Investigators say they discovered a radio transmitter and codebook during a covert search of a flat the couple were living in Seattle two years ago.

    The couple have been charged with failing to register as an agent of a foreign government and money laundering.

    Semenko, is believed to be using his real name and is the US on a specialist work permit. According to the indictment against him, Semenko admitted in conversations with an FBI agent posing as a Russian intelligence operative that he was trained in communications by “the Centre guys”, taken to mean Moscow.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/03/accused-russian-spies-reveal-names

    I mean we all know you are a freaking idiot, but come on, they are admitting to being illegal Russian deep cover agents.

    You really are pathetic.

    • Andrew wrote:

      “One of the suspects in the Russia spy scandal confessed after his arrest to working for Russia’s SVR foreign intelligence service, US PROSECUTORS SAID Thursday”

      You have problems with reading comprehension. He didn’t confess to working for Russia’s SVR foreign intelligence service. It is the US PROSECUTURS who SAID that he had confessed to them. My entire point is that the FBI and THE PROSECUTORS WERE LYING.

      All they “confessed” to the FBI, the prosecutors and the judge is being from Russia and working for some ministry or agency or company run by the Russian government, not necessarily SVR foreign intelligence service. And even that may have been done in order to be able to get their freedom and return to Russia.

      Nobody publicly admitted to being a spy at all. Nobody. In the the American adversarial legal system, the prosecutors almost always spin evidence in order to win cases, and if the defendant admits: “I am an employee of the Russian government”, the prosecutor will spin it to mean that he confessed to be “an employee of the SVR foreign intelligence service”.

      What is there to argue about? These people have already had their day in court, and all of them were convicted of nothing more than one count of failing to register as an employee of a foreign government. The US Attorney General said that they never engaged in espionage. Not even once. Here is the CNN report:

      In Washington, Attorney General Eric Holder said none of the 10 had passed classified information and therefore none were charged with espionage. “They were acting as agents to a foreign power,” he told CBS News, referring to the Russians who had been under observation by federal authorities for more than a decade.

      Which part of the Attorney General’s admission that “none had passed classified information and none were charged with espionage” do you find too hard to understand, Andrew?

      To be fair, the media have given us too little reliable information about 9 out of 10 of these Russians. Thus, I can’t rule out the possibility that two or three of the arrested people were indeed initially sent by SVR but never got around to any spying in the 10 to 20 years that they were in USA. However, the media have created enough noise about the accused “ring leader” – a silly little airhead girl named Anna Chapman – to know that she was no spy and was not guilty of the rumours that the FBI had spread about her.

      First of all, she was too much of a young dumb blonde or redhead to be appointed “a ring leader”. She is 28 years now. If this ring started operating about 20 years ago, as the FBI claims, Anna was 8 years old when it started. How many spy rings headed by 8 year old children do you know? Moreover, she came to USA only in 2006: 4 years ago. Second, she didn’t “assume a false identity”. Her name became Chapman in 2001 when she openly married a British chap named Alex Chapman in Moscow. Third, she has not been hiding her Russian origins. She moved freely between London, Moscow and New York, living in Moscow as recently as in 2006. And in recent months and years, she spent much of her free time on the Russian version of the Facebook under her real name – Anna Chapman – conversing in Russian and describing in great detail her life in USA.

      What spy would be so open about her Russianness? And why did the FBI spread so many lies about her and even appoint her as “the spy ring leader”?

      • Are you dead wood? The “spy exchange” is over.

        On July 9, the Russian Foreign Ministry reported that the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service and the CIA, in accordance with their national legislations and the principles of constructive partnership, had exchanged ten Russian citizens accused in the U.S. for four people earlier convicted in Russia.

        Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has signed a decree pardoning Alexander Zaporozhsky, Gennady Vasilenko, Sergei Skripov, and Igor Sutyagin, who were earlier convicted for spying for foreign intelligence services (except for Vasilenko). Russian Presidential Press Secretary Natalya Timakova said those people had admitted their guilt and asked the Russian president for a pardon.

        Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/russia/detail/73321/#ixzz0tZ3cdPda

      • Well, considering the Russians admitted that they were working for the SVR, and signed confessions, and that the Russian government did a spy swap, methinks all the vodka you swill is doing you some brain damage ReTaRd.

        BTW, Ms Chapmans father was/is a senior KGB man.

        In addition, you are showing your ignorance again.

        These agents were mainly “sleepers” their role was to infiltrate the US, and “sleep” until they were activated.

        Really you are a complete bender Ostap/Retard/Arthur/Voice of Retardation….

  4. It’s a good thing the US doesn’t spy on Russia, or Russia might actually have someone to trade for this motley crew.

  5. NY to Moscow!

    That’s really moving up in the world!

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    • Now ReTaRd, we get Russian crispbreads here in Georgia, they weigh about 50% less than the label states.

      This is not unusual for Russian products, given that then entire structure of Russian culture is based on lies.

      BTW, when are you going to fess up about all your lies, regards “innocent Russian civilians arrested by the “nasty” FBI” (The Russians admitted to working for the SVR…), what about your lies about knowing a Georgian pilot, remember this one?

      RTR // April 12, 2010 at 5:22 am | Reply
      I recently spent an evening in the company that included a Georgian ex-military pilot. He told me that several days prior to the Georgian attack on in 2008, they were given instructions on how to bomb Tskhinval’s civilians. He also categorically stated that Saakashvili murdered Prime Minister Zhvania.

      Funny how you never responded to my question regarding his credentials, though of course he never existed except in your imagination.

      • @”He told me that several days prior to the Georgian attack on in 2008, they were given instructions on how to bomb Tskhinval’s civilians.”

        “Alright, men, listen up. In the Soviet military, you learnt how to bomb alright. However, unforunately they told you learnt is how to bomb the armed imperialists only, because we were ruled by Moscow and we we were humaniatrians back than. But now we are the bloodthirsty Georgians. And so today, I’m going to tell you how to bomb… civilians. [dum dum dummm]”

        During a visit Tuesday arranged by the Russian government, journalists from The Associated Press and other Western media were escorted into the city aboard armored vehicles. Reporters witnessed more than a dozen fires in what appeared to be deserted ethnic Georgian neighborhoods and saw evidence of looting in those areas.
        (…)
        The heaviest damage from the recent fighting appeared to be around Tskhinvali’s government center. More than a dozen buildings in the area were little more than scorched shells. Several residential areas seemed to have little damage, except for shattered windows, perhaps from bomb concussions. Near the city center, on Moscow Street, pieces of tanks lay in a heap near a bomb crater.
        (…)
        Outside town, dozens of houses burned along the main road. A Russian officer said some of the buildings had been burning for days and others were damaged the previous night during an airstrike by a single Georgian plane. When an AP photographer rode through the same villages Monday morning, none of the houses was burning. The fires only began Monday night, more than 24 hours after the battle for the city was over.

        http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/heavy-damage-a-severed-foot-in-tskhinvali/369789.html

        • Well put Robert.

          And it was Russian pilots that were targeting civilians, by dropping cluster bombs on Gori and the surrounding Georgian villages including those in “South Ossetia”, by strafing civilian traffic on Georgian roads etc.

          • Demilitarized Gori, already after the “ceasefire”, in the indisputed Georgian territory. The whole world knew there were no Georgian soldiers in Gori, they withdrew/fled towards Tbilisi, leaving dozens of tanks and heavy guns behind in the base and bandoned on the road (only the personnel of the military hospital remained to help the wounded who could have not beeen evacuated, and the new ones who were shot at and bombed during the Sarkozy-brokered so-called “truce”). And so the Russians proceeded to injure and kill the very same Goergian and foreign (Dutch, Israeli) journalists who reported this at the media centre, as well as several other civilian objects. And they attacked the said hospital, killing the heroic doctor who operated on the wounded non-stop for days, when he left for a short smoke break a helicopter appeared and fired a rocket on him. (Another rocket was fired at an ambulance, killing the driver and a nurse.) And then they entered and completely looted the city for weeks (publicily denying being there at first, even in UN), burning villages on their way.

            http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/1551368/Russians-smash-truce-in-Gori.html

            “The circumstances suggest that Russian forces either carried out the attack on Gori or at least should know of an attack by South Ossetian forces,” said [Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch] Cartner. “Russia clearly has the duty to investigate this incident as a potential war crime and hold those responsible to account.”

            http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/HRW/76a25a805374286210a7921bfee5ed7a.htm

          • Also whenever a Russian “patriot” whines and cries the crocodile tears about a shelling of “Russian citiziens”, one should remind them the world knows about and remembers something:

      • What do you want me to tell you about my meeting at a party with this pilot earlier this year? What do you mean by his “credentials”? Are you asking if he, like your father-in-law, graduated with an “engineering degree” from the Moscow University, which doesn’t have engineering departments, or if he was voted “the best number one engineering student in all of USSR” by the Politburo, as you claimed that your father-in-law did:

        “My father in law got a scolarship to Moscow University in 1960. He also finished his engineering course top of the class, and was the no.1 engineering student of his graduation year in the USSR.” / Andrew on September 14, 2009 at 8:23 am/

        No, this pilot was not a compulsive liar like yourself and did NOT claim to graduate with an “engineering degree” from the Moscow University and was NOT voted “the best number one engineering student in all of USSR”. What else do you want me to tell you about my meeting with him?

      • Andrew wrote: “Now ReTaRd, we get Russian crispbreads here in Georgia, they weigh about 50% less than the label states.

        Really? What a coincidence! You or your friends actually weighed a package of crispbreads on small scales? Really? Are THAT serious about the crispbreads you eat? Or are you going to say that you have read about it in the Georgian media? Then give me a link to the story. Or do you expect me to take your word for it? LOL.

        Give me a Russian crispbread brand name that does that. What weight does it claim on its label, and what is its actual?

        • Now ReTaRd, why all the fake names?

          Come on, fess up liar.

          BTW, how do you continue to call the SVR agents “innocent civilians” and claim they were “arrested for speaking Russian to their kids/girlfriends etc” when their kids are apparently horrified to learn their parents are Russians that have admitted to working for the SVR.

          You are a lying piece of filth.

          Not to mention a hypocrite.

  7. What I wonder if there is actually a friend

  8. atmasyon bunlar ..

  9. In case nobody noticed, the Ukrainian/NATO exercise are taking place at the Black Sea. And Russia can do NOTHING – Are Russians contemplating to use their ‘fearless’ ‘modern’, thirty-year old Black Sea fleet to counterbalance it?

    Isn’t it another humiliation for Russia??

  10. I must say funny day searched for airhead and I found da Blog at Google.

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