The Final Solution for Russia’s Internet

“This idea is absurd, awkward and useless. Cyrillic domains are just the first step toward fundamentally creating a separate and fully controlled ‘territory’ in the global network. All these measures will significantly weaken, if not eliminate, the possibility of foreign information influencing the population of Russia, especially the younger generation. It will ensure that their vision of the world better corresponds to the ideology of Russia’s rulers.”

–A Russian commenter on the New York Times Russian language website, responding to the idea that Russia will have Internet domain names in the Cyrillic alphabet

The New York Times reports:

The Kremlin has long been irritated by the way the United States dominates the Internet, all the way down to the ban on using Cyrillic for Web addresses — even kremlin.ru has to be demeaningly rendered in English. The Russian government, as a result, is taking the lead in a landmark shift occurring around the world to allow domain names in languages with non-Latin alphabets.

Russians themselves, though, do not seem at all eager to follow.

Cut off for decades under Communism, Russians revel in the Internet’s ability to connect them to the world, and they prize the freedom of the Web even as the government has tightened control over major television channels.

But now, computer users are worried that Cyrillic domains will give rise to a hermetic Russian Web, a sort of cyberghetto, and that the push for Cyrillic amounts to a plot by the security services to restrict access to the Internet. Russian companies are also resisting Cyrillic Web addresses, complaining about costs and threats to online security.

“This is one more step toward isolation,” said Aleksei Larin, 31, a construction engineer in Tula, 115 miles south of Moscow. “And since this is a Kremlin project, it is possible that it will lead to the introduction of censorship, which is something that certain officials have long sought.”

Besides startling Russian officials, the reaction has offered insights into the evolution of the Internet as it has spread from the West to the rest of the world. People in places like Russia have created a hybrid Web, typing domain and e-mail addresses in Latin letters and the content in native ones. However loyal they may be to the language of Dostoyevsky, many here do not want to embrace another system.

The most widely trafficked search engine in Russia, Yandex, estimated that fewer than 10 percent of the country’s Internet users would favor Cyrillic addresses in the near future. Livejournal, the busiest blogging platform in Russia, said it would not employ Cyrillic domains.

“I really do not see Cyrillic domains being popular,” said Dmitri N. Peskov, a prominent computer consultant who organizes Internet conferences in Russia. “People just do not see the point in having them.”

More than 30 million Russians use the Internet weekly, out of a population of 140 million, and the country’s growth in use is among the fastest in Europe, officials said. There are 2.5 million domains with the .ru suffix, with the address written in Latin letters.

The Cyrillic domains are likely to be activated next year. Russia is ahead in setting up its system, and its experience could be an indication of what is in store for other countries with non-Latin alphabets, like China, Japan and Egypt. Internet cultures, though, develop unpredictably, so the reaction elsewhere could be more positive.

The decision to allow non-Latin domains was approved in October by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or Icann, the supervisory body based in the United States. More than half of the world’s 1.6 billion Internet users speak a native language that does not have a Latin alphabet, Icann said.

Supporters of the change, including Russia’s president, Dmitri A. Medvedev, who prides himself on his Internet knowledge, said the new domains would open the Internet to a whole class of people who are unfamiliar with Latin characters or are intimidated by them.

Andrei Kolesnikov, director of the agency that coordinates Cyrillic domains, said he was at first skeptical that they were needed. But he said he had turned into a strong proponent, pointing out that Internet penetration in Russia was confined largely to big cities, and Cyrillic domains would help it grow in the provinces.

“For many people, the Cyrillic domains work much better than Latin names,” Mr. Kolesnikov said. “The professionals, they don’t get it, they don’t understand the whole power of this, but they will get it.”

Mr. Kolesnikov said fears of censorship of Cyrillic domains were unfounded and based on a misunderstanding. He said Internet filtering and fire walls, like those enforced by the Chinese government, had nothing to do with domains.

If the Russian government wanted to, it could censor .ru domains, he said. But it has not, he said, and will not do so with the new ones. “This has no relationship to filtering or huge K.G.B. walls,” Mr. Kolesnikov said.

The .ru suffix will remain when Russia rolls out its Cyrillic suffix, .рф, which stands for Russian Federation.

But holders of .ru Web sites will have to decide whether to establish companion sites with Cyrillic addresses and the Cyrillic suffix. Many may not be enthusiastic.

In late November, Mr. Kolesnikov’s agency opened up registration to companies with Russian trademarks that wanted to use them as Cyrillic Web addresses. Of about 50,000 trademarks that were available, only about 4,000 had been registered as addresses so far.

“The new system will be very inconvenient,” said Aleksandr Malis, president of Evroset, one of the largest cellphone and electronics retailers in Russia, which has not applied for a Cyrillic domain. “It will not give us any more clients because I do not see a way to get people to use these new Web sites.”

Some companies said they would acquire Cyrillic domains mostly to protect themselves from so-called cybersquatters who might otherwise take over the domains and harm their businesses. Others worried about viruses or scams.

“This is a major headache for Russian companies,” said Aleksandr Gostev, an executive in Moscow at Kaspersky Lab, an Internet security company. “It is a wide new field for fraudsters.”

The authorities countered that they did not believe that the domains would touch off more crime.

Still, the early process of registering Cyrillic domains has been rocky. It was temporarily halted after a dispute over domains with generic names, like the Russian words for sports and sex. A company had registered several of those words as trademarks in anticipation of the new system, and officials ruled that the company was entitled to them because it had followed the rules.

Individuals and businesses without trademarks will be able to register Cyrillic addresses next year. The question now is how many will want to.

“Cyrillic domains are a major mistake because Latin symbols are the only symbols available on keyboards all over the world,” said Ilya V. Ponomarev, an opposition member in Russia’s Parliament who is a leading voice on technology. “And there is a real concern that non-Latin domains are going to help governments that are not fully democratic, including the one in Russia, to better control their information space.”

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51 responses to “The Final Solution for Russia’s Internet

  1. Yea! The idea of a country actually using there own alphabet for inter-web communications is just preposterous.

    • Not really, given the use of it by nations as far flung linguistically as the Arabic world and the Orient. It is that (like in China, Vietnam, most of the Arabic world etc) that such a move is designed malignently, with the intention of using the nature of the incompstable scripts to restrict acess, hardly a benign motive.

  2. What’s preposterous is the illiteracy required to be oblivious of the fact that what’s suggested is using ONLY the country’s obscure alphabet, cutting it off from the vast majority of Internet content and the vast majority of critical information about their government.

    You have the intelligence of a small lemon.

  3. lol.

    ….how many Russians speak English? You make it sound like, “BAM! The world wide web is in the alphabet, it is free now…and your welcome.”

    Only people that are insecure of there own intelligence need to be questioning others so much.

    • Perhaps you don’t realize it, but there are LOTS of Russian websites that TRANSLATE English material into Russian and post it on English-nominated websites LIKE LIVE JOURNAL.

      What’s more, MILLIONS of Russians speak English.

      Your comment is the same one the Kremlin is making: “We can shut down access to the web because nobody uses it anyway.” It’s Soviethink. It’s scary.

      You’re not just a moron, you’re a psychopathic moron. And if “lol” is the way you show you are above personal abuse and therefore “smarter” than us, you’re a true lunatic as well.

      • I agree with you, except I doubt millions of Russians speak English; perhaps many can read the Western advertising signs, but that’s not speaking

      • I use “lol” because talking to you is like throwing an ice cube on the floor in my kitchen and watching my dog try to catch it. It’s very amusing!

        I think you lost the plot! Whats stopping people from translating articles from dissenting voices and posting it on Cyrillic encoded domains? South Korea wants IPv6 for Korean domain names too. Why? Not because it locks out information, but in theory it creates locally developed network externalities.

        IPv6 (the future internet, IPv4 is the current internet) is designed to allow Russia, China, South Korea, Japan, etc to change encoding on domain names. Know what you’re talking about before you write something…but we know you don’t let facts get in the way of a good “RUSSIA IS BEING FACIST” argument.

        …Be a good boy, and try to get the ice cube! Maybe you will get a cookie?!

  4. Damn, you’re dumb.

    If you went so far as to ACTUALLY READ THE TEXT OF THIS POST before commenting on it, you will see that RUSSIANS THEMSELVES ARE AFRAID THEIR GOVERNMENT WILL SHUT OFF ALL ACCESS BEYOND THE CYRILLIC RUNET. Yes, that’s right, though you didn’t notice it, the quote at the lead of this post WAS MADE BY A RUSSIAN. Dimwit. The Kremlin is already moving aggressively to take control of providers, we’ve documented it often on this blog. You ought to try reading it sometime.

    Where did you get your brain, K-mart?

    What’s stopping foreigners from posting on the Cyrillic runet??? THE KREMLIN, you witless drone. D’oh!

  5. First of all you know nothing hack….

    The Cyrillic encoded Russian domain has nothing to do with them blocking anything. That would be routers….like say…hmm…China has even with Alphabet domains. It has nothing to do with Cyrillic encoding.

    Muaddib_2000 (the person that you are referencing) should be more worried about that.

    “WAS MADE BY A RUSSIAN”….really? Muaddib_2000 who posted that on the Russian livejournal is Russian? Unlike you I actually researched the origins of the comment and found Muaddib_2000 livejournal profile links him to kulturapolshi and polskarosja.

    Here’s some of his other posts:
    Hello everyone!
    I considered that write on this forum Polish readers … In Poland, in fact, such a primitive Neanderthal and just wild ideas about Russia? And, clearly beyond all boundaries of any kind of decency. The forum of the newspaper is, in general, moderator, filtering the news this stream besovstva? And this is a country with deep Catholic tradition …. I’m shocked, to be honest … After reading this, hundreds of people in Russia, and of these gems were largely svoremennoe opinion of Russians about Poles and Polish culture ….

    He’s also has cliffordlevy (The New York Times) on his friends list. I would say he’s a Polish expat.

  6. Your ability to continually top yourself with utterly inane gibberish is really quite impressive.

    THE NYT LJ BLOG IS FULL OF DOZENS AND DOZENS OF SIMILAR COMMENTS BY RUSSIANS NUMBSKULL. Who in the world do you think you are fooling with this nonsense?

    The Kremlin’s plan is to flow the Cyrillic addresses and block all the others. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? And it’s easy to do BECAUSE THEY ARE IN CYRILLIC.

    Your idiocy is truly amazing. You’re like the court jester of this blog. Thanks for the laughs!

  7. Your dog might run all over the kitchen chasing an ice-cube (existing internet russia) or he could push it into a corner (proposed internet russia) and have a captive ice-cube. Peoplelove it when backed into a corner….they fight back….at some point.

  8. Looks like “Jason” is just the latest reincarnation of “Ostap Bender”/”Phobophobe”/”Michael Tal” our resident Russophile and supposedly Russian-Jewish-Bi-Gay-Curious Putin worshipper.

    • Actually, I’m not a Russophile, I’m certainly not Jewish, bi, or gay.

      I think Putin is a douche-bag.
      I think Russia is backwards.
      I just think your arguments are a little silly.

    • they’re not silly Jason, its a cheap backdoor way to cut off communications. and at least acknowledge that the Russians themselves are fearful of the oncoming freeze out and oppression. I know Russians, not all of them deserve the treatment they receive from Putin and many live in fear.

  9. Sergey Shelukhin

    As a person who actually understands both Russian and how internet works on technical level, I can say you are a moron as usual. Right, they are going to block all non-cyrillic domains! Your computer is broadcasting an ip address, run! It’s both preposterous and highly unlikely from political/business standpoint, and technically unfeasible – the cyrillic domains will not help them in any significant way over what they can do already, just like China censoring internet, and like the guy in the article says. The only highly improbable effect they can achieve is make latin-char domains less visible to Russian rednecks that would go to поиск-от-путина.рф because they cannot type yandex (or google/bing/yahoo…).

    Oh and a nice side note is that this article has a paragraph that directly contradicts your previous “Russian internet is dying and less people are using it” posts.
    Who’s the moron again?

    Seriously, you should go back to stuff you are more qualified at, like reposts without interpretation, or envying the looks of mediocre-looking tennis players.

  10. Sergey, can you read?

    The article is by the New York Times.

    • Sergey Shelukhin

      And?.. It actually helps latter part of their msg – LR was saying Russian internet is dying and people are switching to TV by misinterpreting data (showing his ineptitude in elementary statistics and logic), and now article in NYT says Russian internet is growing at record rates!
      I remember from some earlier comment here about Georgian war report that “mainstream media is stupid”, but in subject of elementary statistics I trust NYT more than LR, for some reason.

      As for first part – so what? Article doesn’t explicitly say that they are going to literally block all non-Cyrillic domains and speaks of limiting access/etc in generic terms. And it also has officials’ opinion about that which seems to me more reasonable from technical standpoint than some commenters’ fear mongering.
      Russia is not that bad for the kind of people who a) can afford internet now (e.g. lower middle class and up, although that depends on region) and b) don’t care about politics (e.g. majority of people), that’s why there’s no “revolt” on the internet.
      Putin needs no censorship there as long as living standards don’t plunge, and maybe not even then (in 90ies standards were lower and TV was mostly uncensored).

      • Actually it says one of the highest growth rates in Europe, but remember the rest of Europe is saturated with the internet already, so you dont need much of a growth rate to be “amongst the fastest”.

        I must agree with your comments about the majority of Russians not caring about politics, but that is what is so reprehensible about Russian culture, they are quite happy to remain imperialistic barbarians that maul and in many cases destroy their nieghbors and their own ethnic minorities.

        This in my opinion makes Russians just as culpable as Germans in regards to the crimes (historical in the case of Germany and historical and current in the case of Russia) of their government.

  11. Please excuse me folks I am not an expert on this subject. All I would like to say is that china seems to have successfully censored the internet denying its citizens access to web sites the states does not like. I would imagine that Russia can use the same technology to block access to its citizens also.

    We all know that the media is largely state controlled in Russia. Those who disagree with government policy or highlight human rights abuses are extremely brave people as they put their lives on the line .

    Please always keep in mind that none of the assassinations of these brave journalists have ever been solved under the Putin dictatorship.
    The internet is becoming the only real source of independent information and free speech. Putin would love to block this source of information off.

  12. The Runet is alive and well. It’s growth continues unabated.

    The number of Russians using the internet is now over 40 millions and growing daily.

    YOTA continues to roll out WiMAX and now has more than 250,000 subscribers and is profitable.

    Russia has the 4th largest social media user-base and the largest in Europe.

    Censorship on the internet in Russia is almost none existent.

    Here’s some more detailed information regarding Russian internet entrepreneurs and executives.

    See the following links from the Quintura blog:

    http://ow.ly/RpAt – entrepreneurs
    http://ow.ly/RpT5 – executives

    Russia may have some serious challenges facing it in the next decade but the internet in Russia in one of the amazing success stories of the past ten years.

    LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:

    As is usual for you, someone whose income depends on favor from the Kremlin, you are lying.

    Your figure for Internet access is totally false, no more than 20% of Russians have regular access to the Internet given that it’s cost is far out of the price range of people earning just $3/hour. Even if 40 million Russian did regularly access the internet, that would mean that two-thirds of the nation does not.

    Your neo-Soviet lies seriously undermine Russia’s ability to reform and survive.

  13. R U S S I A (Russian Federation)
    RU – 140,041,247 population (’09)
    Country Area: 16,894,741 sq km
    Capital city: Moscow – population 10,568,193 (’07)
    45,250,000 Internet users as of Sept/09
    32.3% penetration, per POF
    4,000,000 Broadband Internet connections as of Sept/08, per ITU.

    http://www.internetworldstats.com/europa2.htm

  14. Mr Post I am a gentleman so I feel it would be rude of me to call you and out and out liar. So let’s just say you are a little economical with the truth.

    I am not an expert in this field, but I am a quick learner. Mr Post I took the time and trouble to look into the so called facts you gave. And I must say the statement you made about internet access being a success story for the Russian Federation really is a load of old “Bunny”

    Mr Post using the link “YOU” gave I have found to my horror that out of 53 countries within Europe Russian internet usage is “bottom” 5 alongside Albania, Moldova, Bosnia, and Kosovo.

    What I did discover is that the former Soviet/Russian prisoners and now thankfully EU members have double the amount of users for example Estonia 68% Latvia 61% Lithuania 59%.

    Mr Post you come on this site with an agenda which is to try to paint a “rosy” picture for a despicable regime your biased opinion is bought and paid for. This time you have tripped over your own tongue as the link you provide actually paints an opposite picture than the one you are trying to “sell”.

    Thanks for highlighting Russia’s internet “backwardness”

    • R John:

      [Mr Post I am a gentleman so I feel it would be rude of me to call you and out and out liar. So let’s just say you are a little economical with the truth.]

      R John, Mr Post didn’t invent these statistics. All he did is quote the statistics provided by the official site of the Internet World Stats.

      Did you see how the term “http://www.internetworldstats.com/europa2.htm” is in blue and underlined? That makes it a hyperlink. You can click on it (use the left clicker), and your browser will display that site.

      Try it! You will soon discover that the internet is not as scary and obscure as it seems to you now.

  15. When looking up those stats R John you should of came across the part that said, “Russia has the fastest growing Internet population in Europe”. Russia ranks 3rd in Europe with overall Internet users, 8th overall in the world.

    There Internet Penetration is 32.5 when you consider Poland and Italy has only around 50%, the top nations are 70%+ that isn’t as bad as LR makes it seem. They were only 20% 2 years ago which is probably the stats you viewed.

    …according to the ITU (International Telecommunication Union).

  16. Sorry Jason I still remain total unimpressed by Russia’s internet coverage in fact I would call it pathetic.

    Russia is a G8 member it tells the world it is a 1st world nation and should be treated as an equal to the USA and EU. We all know that this is a load of rubbish they are distinctly third world. But if the deluded Russians want to be seen as 1st world a G8 power lets judge them on the standards of other G8 nations.

    Let’s compare them with Canada, like Russia this is a vast nation and is very similar in geological terms they both have large uninhabited regions plus a spread out population. Russia’s internet availability for its citizens is at best 32% of the population. After speaking to friends in Russia I am advised that very few have board band, most still have dial up connection (which we stopped using years ago), they tell me it’s unreliable and expensive and severely restricts the time they spend on line. Canada who is a G8 member has 75% coverage.

    Also Jason you say that Russia has the fastest growing internet population in Europe. Well that’s not hard to achieve when most other European countries are already well developed. This just shows that Russia is lagging well behind and is yet again trying to play catch up.

    Russia is in the bottom group equal to the likes of Belarus. Croatia who is not even an EU member has 70% coverage. Russia’s internet service can only be described as pathetic another third world service from a third world nation.

    • Well you’re just going to find any reason to come to your predetermined conclusion anyway.

      If Russia’s Internet is insignificant, why did Larussophobe post this? Seems moot if your conclusion is right.

      • take away St. Pete and Moscow and what do you have? a third world country by most standards. I’ve driven through that nation only a few years ago, most people are still living in places that we call public housing. Unfortunately Russia is still under control of corrupt old former kgb cronies.

        They have more freedom than in the past and I keep hope the people will rise up to throw off Putin.

        • The fact of the matter is, if Russia wasn’t under Putin and his KGB cronies the county would of politically collapsed during the financial crisis.

          Have you driven around America my friend? I dare you to drive through Detroit. Why don’t you worry about our country before being critical of others.

  17. [he Kremlin has long been irritated by the way the United States dominates the Internet, all the way down to the ban on using Cyrillic for Web addresses]

    Americans actually banned Cyrillic from URLs? Wow. As Yakov Smirnoff used to say about USA: What a country!

    [The Russian government, as a result, is taking the lead in a landmark shift occurring around the world to allow domain names in languages with non-Latin alphabets.]

    How horrible! The World wants to allow domain names in their own alphabets?! How preposterous! I hope the US marines will teach them all a good lesson!

  18. Jason:
    [First of all you know nothing hack…. The Cyrillic encoded Russian domain has nothing to do with them blocking anything. That would be routers….]

    Don’t teach LR, Jason. She has heard of the routers. Here is what she knows:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes

    “Series of tubes” is an analogy used by former United States Senator Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) to describe the Internet in the context of network neutrality. “They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It’s a series of tubes. And if you don’t understand, those tubes can be filled when you put your message in.”

    So, if you tie the tubes with anti-American alphabets like Cyrillic or Greek or Korean or Arabic, you wil clog these tubes and they will give innocent Americans heart attacks. Ouch!

  19. Arthur I find it strange that you seem to trawl through the site and reply to posts that were put on two weeks ago, Does it take you two weeks to think up a reply or are you just one of these ego maniacs who want to impress by having the last word, I suggest you join on going debates so that your comments can be viewed and answered. Arthur no one likes a “sneak.”

    • R John, maybe Arthur has a life and doesn’t have time to check what the worlds Russophobes write on a blog every day? I suggest maybe you get out more and maybe you wouldn’t need to vent your Russia hate everyday!? Hey! Maybe a girl will even touch your penis? R John, no one like a “douche bag”….except Larussophobe.

    • R John wrote:
      [Arthur I find it strange that you seem to trawl through the site and reply to posts that were put on two weeks ago, Does it take you two weeks to think up a reply?]

      No. Unlike you, I don’t get paid to read LR. I read her for fun, when I have time. I replied to your post when I first saw it – yesterday.

  20. Jason you’re a scum bag with a dirty mouth, Arthur you spend more time on the site than me how many post have you put on today? who’s paying you?

    • Dear R John,

      There are many genuine KGB propagandists that spread the kremlin’s disinformation – fishing for useful idiots, that visit this web-site.

      Then, you have the clueless teenage nashi who never read a history book, but repeat what they say on russia today, or what they heard from the soviet encyclopedia.

      Then you have passing trolls, and the reappearing sock puppets.

      But, the worse are the orphans from the insane asylum. The KGB created millions of orphans by killing their parents and/or their Grandparents; then blame USA/CIA. At one point there were so many orphans, that stalin ordered that children over 12 years old – to be killed. {Hard to brainwash when a child reaches 12} Many “russians” today, are not russian; when they where indoctrinated as orphans, they were convinced that they are russian. When the kremlin gave people in South Ossetia passports, did that make them russian.

      There is no greater infamy than the war power on the children using the whole punitive power of the apparatus. Based on the instructions of the Politburo Central Committee, personally Lenin and Stalin, the Bolsheviks created a special system of “disgraced childhood”. This system had before it a children’s camps and colonies, mobile reception and distribution centers, special children’s homes and nurseries.

      Children were supposed to forget who they are, where come from, who and where their parents.
      This was a special – Children’s Gulag …

      Alexander Yakovlev
      Architect short spring in Russia.

      Sincerely,

      LES

      PS if you see vulgar or profane language, then you know that he is a moskal. Do not allow them to provoke you to their level. They are trained to do that. It is a pleasure when true russian intelligentsia start making comments.

      • “But, the worse are the orphans from the insane asylum. The KGB created millions of orphans by killing their parents and/or their Grandparents; then blame USA/CIA. At one point there were so many orphans, that stalin ordered that children over 12 years old – to be killed. {Hard to brainwash when a child reaches 12} Many “russians” today, are not russian; when they where indoctrinated as orphans, they were convinced that they are russian. When the kremlin gave people in South Ossetia passports, did that make them russian.”

        The first example that I could think of was Viktor Alksnis, who was a Latvian who was brainwashed by the Soviets after they killed his grandparents. His Sovok brainwashing was so complete that he spoke out against independence for his home country and supported the hardliner coup against Gorbachov in the last days of the Soviet Union, and now believes in re-creating the Soviet empire. I want to feel sorry for these people, but quite a few of them are beyond help.

      • Addendum to my prior comment:

        The orphan’s training did not include the words: moral, wrong, ethical, hurtful, sinful, etc.

        PS For more than fifty years, Soviet children were taught to keep a sharp eye out for enemies of the people, even among their neighbors and family members. A young Komsomol leader, A. Ksoarev, wrote in Pravda, “We do not share a common morality with the rest of mankind… For us, morality is that which builds Socialism.”

        Moved by this kind of “morality,” Stalin and his government easily converted millions of living people into corpses. But in the case Pavlik Morozov, a corpse was converted into a living symbol. Through the power of this legend, Stalin raised an army of Morozov imitators, and the myth became an everyday reality of Soviet life.

  21. Arthur tells us the following

    o No. Unlike you, I don’t get paid to read LR. I read her for fun, when I have time. I replied to your post when I first saw it – yesterday.

    So Arthur you accuse me of being paid the only evidence you offer is that I am critical of the Russian state while you, who thinks Russia is some modern day garden of Eden just posts when you can find the time, Well Arthur over the last two days I have posted 4 times (Christ who’s paying me?) while you Mr. Hypocrite have posted well over a dozen times. Arthur don’t try to undermine a person honest opinion by making unfounded allegations.

  22. R John wrote:
    [Jason you’re a scum bag]

    LES wrote:
    [if you see vulgar or profane language, then you know that he is a moskal. ]

    LOL.

    • Technically scum bag is an insult, but not vulgar or profane.

      The bar for profanity is somewhat higher.

      LOL

      • How about ‘butt-plug’?

        Andrew // September 12, 2009:
        [Look here retard boy. Try watching it butt-plug, or are you too busy molesting little boys (a common habit for both Greeks and Russians)?]

  23. Marat Zakirov

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    It is Correct must be so – “This idea is absurd, awkward and useless. But only for first glance…”.
    Hereinafter I explain, as this idea has the serious base.

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