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EDITORIAL: On Russian Ignorance and Hypocrisy

November 15, 2009 · 61 Comments

EDITORIAL

On Russian Ignorance and Hypocrisy

One of the most striking impressions left upon those of us who have spent time living in Russia is that, while Russians portray and imagine themselves as erudite, cosmopolitan and educated they are in fact among the most crudely ignorant people on the face of the earth.  Racism, including open lynchings of blacks, flows through Russia is it were still mired in the last century.  The Internet is repressed, political life is non-existent, and the great artists who once characterized the upper echelons of Russian society have long since passed from the scene.

It may be for this reason that Russians hate foreigners so much, and constantly tell themselves that foreigners hate and misunderstand them right back.  In reality, nothing could be further from the truth, as three news stories from just the last week alone clearly show.

In a Branson, Missouri middle school, Russian traditional culture was on display.  In Kalamazoo, Michigan, an entire week was devoted to exploring Russian life.  And in New York City, a Russian film festival was opening.

Russians, of course, won’t be told about any of this by state-controlled Kremlin TV, the only source of news for most people, because the Kremlin has a strong interest in portraying Americans as morons who know nothing of Russia and hate Russia out of simple blind ignorance.  Ironically, of course, it’s the Russians who remain the morons.

Try — we dare you — to find similar examples of Russians reaching out to explore American culture in last week’s news from Russia.  You won’t find a single one.  You’ll find instead only the propagation of stereotypes and ignorance about America — indeed, you’ll find many Russians scoffing at the notion that America even has anything worthy of the name “culture.”  At the same time, of course, you’ll find Russians scurrying as fast as ever they can to purchase blue jeans, Michael Jackson CDs, Big Macs and I-phones.

This is Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

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  • Victor // November 16, 2009 at 10:30 am | Reply

    “..Americans ARE morons who know nothing of Russia and hate Russia out of simple blind ignorance”

    Very good and most importantly correct description…

    • La Russophobe // November 16, 2009 at 11:39 am | Reply

      Thanks for the evidence of American ignorance of Russia, and thanks for the evidence of Russian insights about America.

      Very impressive! We stand corrected!

      We offer links which prove Americans are seeking to understand Russia, you offer none in return. That’s because you’re a typical Russian moron.

  • Victor // November 16, 2009 at 10:35 am | Reply

    Iv’e seen it with my own eyes how the most stupid moron in America – Bush Jr. – in an interwiew couldn’t name the capital of Afganistan, though he was going to bomb it in the near future….

    What can be said about ordinary americans, who haven’t graduated from Yale…

    • La Russophobe // November 16, 2009 at 11:37 am | Reply

      Uh, we hate to break this to you, but Afghanistan isn’t part of Russia. Russians tried to make it so, but they failed miserably.

      Your ignorance is hilarious! Thanks for the belly laugh!

    • Ari Virtanen // November 16, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Reply

      And fascist-Führer Putler couldn’t name the prime minister of Ukraine eventhough she was sitting next to him.

      Well, what else can you except from RuSSian barbarian vodka-drinkers who only know how to kill women and children and how to steal, bomb and destroy others’ homes.

  • Ouch // November 16, 2009 at 4:23 pm | Reply

    USA seems to be on every corner here in Russia. American movies in every cinema, American “grill bar’s” and McDonald’s, PC with the Intel processor, Windows as the operating system, what not. Kids dancing ‘Country-style’ dance on the school event, enjoy the bloody rap music. They have English classes almost daily where they discuss the life in the US, cities and celebrities. Finally exactly this week is the ‘Week of American studies’ here in the local University.
    Do you seriously need more?

    • La Russophobe // November 16, 2009 at 5:10 pm | Reply

      You don’t read well. We’re talking about invitations made by Russians. If you suggest that because Russians eat Big Macs and listen to rap music they understand and appreciate America, you’re a moron. That’s like saying Americans understand Russia because they drink Stolichnaya.

      “Here in the local university”??? Do you have any idea how totally meaningless that statement is? How about a link to a Russian newspaper reporting on this event, proving lots of Russians know and care about it? D’oh! How about at least telling us where “here” is and what university is being referred to?

      What Russian knows who Toni Morrison is, much less has read her work?

  • Ouch // November 16, 2009 at 4:40 pm | Reply

    Of course USA is the great country with the nice people. I hope our countries will get closer in the future.
    So it’s pleasant to see that there are so few Americans here on La Russophobe!

    • La Russophobe // November 16, 2009 at 5:08 pm | Reply

      Actually, half our readership is American.

      • Ouch // November 16, 2009 at 5:14 pm | Reply

        I’m also a reader.
        That doesn’t mean i’m a ‘russophobe’.
        I’d rather propose those people are just interested in Russia, want to learn something about it.

      • La Russophobe // November 16, 2009 at 7:26 pm | Reply

        You said we had “few American readers here on La Russophobe” you moron, not that there were few American Russophobes.

        Maybe what you meant to say is “few Americans criticizing Russia.” But in fact, the only ones not criticizing Russia on this blog, or virtually anywhere else, are Russians and Russophile whackos.

        Meanwhile, you ignore the purpose of this post, which is your common and very ignorant practice. The purpose is to show that Americans educate themselves about Russia and Russians don’t know it. Hence, our criticism is very well-informed and solidly based on facts, not on myths.

        Your ignorance and illiteracy is truly breathtaking and makes our point better than we did ourselves.

        • Ouch // November 17, 2009 at 7:48 am | Reply

          I meant i don’t see much Americans here expressing their ‘phobia’ or hating Russia.

          Criticizing someone isn’t a phobia.
          What exactly did Americans see there on the evens you mentioned that could make them hate Russia as much as yourself?

  • Ouch // November 16, 2009 at 4:56 pm | Reply

    > RuSSian barbarian vodka-drinkers

    Right, the 12-step programs (Alcoholics Anonimous) are quite known here in Russia.

    • Asehpe // November 16, 2009 at 8:58 pm | Reply

      I don’t think most Russians who are into vodka actually want to break free of it, Ouch. Granted, there’s Grebenshkov with “Ja ne xochu bol’she pit’”, but he’s a unique case.

      I’m married to a Russian, and I have a daughter who is (also) Russian. I quite like your country in many ways. Still I would be really blind if I said I’m not really sad to see the mess that Russia is making of democracy and freedom right now.

      Russia could be a great and wonderful country, a beacon of all that is good in the world. It has many intelligent people, world-class scientists, and a great literature. I hope the Russians will wake up to this and someday fulfil the promises of which your country is full.

      • RV // November 16, 2009 at 10:47 pm | Reply

        Yes, she can be a great country, I’ve heard it a million times, but for some mysterious reasons she never quite makes it. Perhaps it us evil Americans who prevent that from happening.

        And stop these trite and tired platitudes about their great literature and art, and so on. Chekvov and Tolstoy and Tchaikovsky and such have been dead for a hundred years or more. Shostakovich is the only great cultural figure with universal appeal from the Soviet period who comes to mind and a few virtuoso musicians. But Shostakovich has been dead for over 30 years too.

        Not even to mention that it is unclear if all these historic figures were so great because they were Russians or in spite of that.

        • Ouch // November 17, 2009 at 7:14 am | Reply

          Dear RV.

          > Yes, she can be a great country
          Can you please name the country that CANNOT be great.

          > she never quite makes it

          So Russia doesn’t fit your expectation. I guess it’d be good for Russia if it did, but that’s how it is. At least we don’t blame anyone else for that. And Russia doesn’t really create problems for USA does it? On the contrary we buy treasuries, and save american Chinooks in Afghanistan.

          BTW take a look above. Asehpe insists everything good that existed in Russia is in Ukraine now. So you can count on ukrainians to build that perfect Russia.

          • Andrew // November 17, 2009 at 7:19 am | Reply

            Rubbish, your government and media constantly blame “the west” for all your own foul-ups.

            Look at the drivel about Chechen & Ingush rebels being led by “CIA operatives”.

            No need for foreigners to get involved, Russians are hated in the Caucasus, and pretty much everywhere else they occupied because of their own actions.

            • Ouch // November 17, 2009 at 7:57 am | Reply

              Georgians are ‘hated in the Caucasus’ even more. And despised infinitely more than Russians.
              That’s what should bother you, Andrew.

              • Andrew // November 17, 2009 at 8:30 am | Reply

                Not really, you don’t see Chechens comitting suicide bombings against Georgians.

                Ethnic Azeri’s and Armenians live in Georigia (and vice versa) without problems, the Armenian government recently gave the Georgian president their highest award, more Ossetians live in Tbilisi than in South Ossetia, and many of them fought in the Georgian military against Russia (and Kokoity) in 2008.

                As most Caucasians agree, Russia is the real enemy.

                Look at the Abkhaz diaspora in Turkey, its the Russians they hate, and for good reason.

          • RV // November 17, 2009 at 8:11 am | Reply

            The problem is that Russia very vociferously insists that she is a great country, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. Just tell me, why Russia is the member of the G8. Who in the right mind can honestly say that her economy is the eighth biggest in the world? The Russians know it’s not true, but still demand the privileges of the membership.

            You are probably the first Russian on this blog who seems to be able to accept the truth. And of course, numerous Russian publications presented here and elsewhere clearly demonstrate that Russia does blame the West and especially the U.S. for her problems. And so do her government leaders. Just face the truth

            • Ouch // November 17, 2009 at 9:45 am | Reply

              > Who in the right mind can honestly say that her economy is the eighth biggest in the world?

              Technically CIA belives we’re 6-th:
              https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html?countryName=Russia&countryCode=rs&regionCode=cas&rank=7#rs

              and also nuclear and space ’superpower’.

              But the hell with the above.
              I dunno why G7 invited Russia, and why Russia agreed. And if they expell Russia out of it i’m not going to be sad.
              Can you please tell me what privileges has Russia as a member of the G8? I used to think it’s just the spent of money and time for us.

            • Ouch // November 17, 2009 at 11:18 am | Reply

              > Russia very vociferously insists that she is a great country
              > Russia does blame the West and especially the U.S. for her problems. And so do her government leaders.

              I’d really like to see sources of your information. Links or something.

              > numerous Russian publications presented here

              Russians presented here are mostly trolling. What else a Russian can normally do on the ‘russophobe’ blog? Personally i doubt i’ll stay here for long.

              • Andrew // November 17, 2009 at 11:39 am | Reply

                Well, lets see, there is the usual Russian BS of blaming the west for drug addiction in Russia when in fact it started during the 80’s when hundereds of thousands of Russians returned from Afghanistan addicted to opium.

                http://hosting.opendemocracy.net/openrussia/susan-richards/russia%E2%80%99s-drugs-problem-blame-west

                Then there is the good old “encircled by NATO” BS, where Russians conveniently forget the facts that NATO is a defensive alliance, and that given the horrific behaviour of Russia towards the nations of eastern Europe and the Caucasus it is no great surprise they are rushing to join NATO to try and have some security against the all too real Russian threat. No, to Russians it is all the fault of the west for “turning their little brothers against them” blah, blah, blah.

                Then there is the way that Russians whine on about the collapse of the 90’s, blaming that on the west when it was their own endemic corruption (little changed since Tsarist times) that caused their problems.

                Russians, like two year olds, have a complete inability to accept responsiblity for their actions.

      • Gordon // November 17, 2009 at 4:08 am | Reply

        Here’s some of the reasons “Why I love Russia”

      • Ouch // November 17, 2009 at 7:03 am | Reply

        Sorry, Asehpe, i didn’t quite understand what you wanted to share.
        Maybe your wife and daughter are drinking heavily and don’t want to break. My sympathies then. I’d also get russophobic.

        > I hope the Russians will wake up
        I assure you Russians are not ’sleeping’. Yeah, i’m sorry, we have a lot of problems to deal with so no time and power left to impress the world.

  • Curious Individual // November 16, 2009 at 9:36 pm | Reply

    The author of this article is a kike yenta who is bordering on pathological desperation.

  • KGB comrade // November 16, 2009 at 11:36 pm | Reply

    Ignorance is our strength. Screw the West’s pseudo-intellectual refuse which it tries to pollute the world with.

  • Andrew // November 17, 2009 at 7:12 am | Reply

    Why are Russians ignorant and hypocritical?

    Probably because they keep murdering or imprisoning those who try to inform them of the reality of their nation.

    “RFE/RL: And could you tell us about the Russian author you are highlighting this year and something about the climate for writers and journalists in Russia today?

    Wyatt: The situation in Russia is, quite frankly, appalling. In the last 12 months since we last commemorated writers under attack in 2008, there have been seven writers and journalists murdered in Russia, which is an appalling statistic — the highest number of the total 35 cases that we’ve been monitoring.

    Natalya Estemirova was one of the most appalling incidents. She was a human rights defender, she was also a writer and journalist covering human rights abuses in Chechnya. She was abducted in July this year. and her body was found soon after badly treated — she’d been executed. She’d been a critic of the Chechen President [Ramzan] Kadyrov. He had actually on a number of occasions been threatening to her and so fingers are being pointed at his complicity in it.”

    http://www.rferl.org/content/Interview_International_PEN_Marks_Day_Of_The_Imprisoned_Writer/1878857.html

  • hecksinductionhour // November 17, 2009 at 9:37 am | Reply

    I’m acutely aware of xenophobia and racism in Russia, but I haven’t heard about the “open lynching of blacks.” You’ve mentioned this in another post as well, where you characterize it as a “weekly” occurrence. Where is the evidence of this?

    • La Russophobe // November 17, 2009 at 1:09 pm | Reply

      Just pay a little more attention to our blog, we’ve fully documented it. You might want to start by reading the extensive “racism” category in our sidebar.

      http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/category/racism/

      Or you could start with this:

      http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-warms-to-medvedev-ignores-pleas-of-russias-terrorized-blacks/

      Russia has well over 100 race-based murders each year, it’s actually common knowledge among those who are paying attention. The SOVA Centre is particularly good at documenting it.

      • La Russophobe // November 17, 2009 at 1:12 pm | Reply

        The question you should be asking is why your mainstream media don’t report these basic facts more, and why your elected leaders don’t take a stand on stopping this heinous genocide. Perhaps now you’ll start asking those questions of them?

    • Ouch // November 17, 2009 at 2:33 pm | Reply

      Well i looked through the SOVA center reports just as Kim recommended.
      No ‘blacks’ were killed in Russia since May 2009 at least (didn’t check further).
      That’s basically it.

      • A. // November 17, 2009 at 5:42 pm | Reply

        Ouch, are you retarded or something? Can you read? The SOVA center has reports every month. For example, in October this year12 people (including one fatality) were the victims of neo-Nazi attacks, and in September 22 people (including 6 people killed). And this is not even the whole picture, most attacks are not reported. So in terms of racism and violence, Russia is BY FAR the most barbaric country in the world. I don’t think there is any other country in the world with this frequency of racist violence, that is not only tolerated, but encouraged by the authorities.

        • Ouch // November 17, 2009 at 6:08 pm | Reply

          > Ouch, are you retarded or something?
          Nope.

          >Can you read?
          Yes.

          > …in October…
          2 dead people reported.
          One comes from Armenia,
          another unidentified, looks like an Uzbek.
          As I see noone is BLACK.
          I also see NO evidence of racism mentioned.

          Do you disagree with me?

          • A. // November 17, 2009 at 6:42 pm | Reply

            Well, I’m sure you know this better than I do: in Russia, anyone who isn’t a Slav or a North European is considered “black”, including people from the Caucasus and Central Asia. So stop acting stupid, it doesn’t help your argument. And you don’t understand why there is anything wrong or racist about killing someone for being Uzbek or Armenian. Well, then you are walking proof of what long-term vodka consumption can do to your brain.

        • Ouch // November 17, 2009 at 6:17 pm | Reply

          > Russia is BY FAR the most barbaric country in the world.

          So why WHY thousands of Ukrainians, Georgians, Azeris and Armenians are coming here every months? Why don’t they stay in their safe and prosperous homelands?

          • A. // November 17, 2009 at 6:48 pm | Reply

            Maybe because their countries are even poorer than Russia, due to centuries of exploitation by Russians and continued Russian interference in their economies? Do you think they would even hesitate if they also had the option of working in Europe or the US? Heck, even the most fanatic Russian nationalist would leave Russia in an instant for any place in Europe (or the US, or Israel), if given the chance.

  • Ben Americain // November 18, 2009 at 12:38 am | Reply

    This is an interesting website. I would bet the average American and the average Russian are full of inaccuracies about the other’s culture. For the most part, anything that contradicts his own nation’s myths is not going to get a full hearing.

    And just because an Azeri goes to Moscow or a Mexican goes to Arizona does not whitewash the ugly truths both countries try so hard to keep from their own people. For instance, both countries have been oppressing internal and external peoples for centuries yet the average guy living in either country would vehemently disagree with you if you stated so about his own country. But tell a Russian anything about America’s sins or an American about Russia’s and they probably won’t protest too much.

    Thanks,

  • Oleksander // November 18, 2009 at 12:09 pm | Reply

    What’s ” Russia ” ?
    I have heard of Moscovy , Moscovia , Duchy
    of Moscovy , Poshechonia , Katsapia , etc . ,
    but I never heard of ” Russia ” .

  • hecksinductionhour // November 18, 2009 at 12:14 pm | Reply

    “Racism, including open lynchings of blacks, flows through Russia [as if] it were still mired in the last century.” (from the post above)

    “That’s not even to mention the fact that two black people are lynched every week in Russia, without any significant public opposition.”
    http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/editorial-russia-is-a-nation-of-barbarians/#more-18564

    “Dozens upon dozens of dark-skinned people are lynched in Russia every year…”
    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-warms-to-medvedev-ignores-pleas-of-russias-terrorized-blacks/

    “The question you should be asking is why your mainstream media don’t report these basic facts more, and why your elected leaders don’t take a stand on stopping this heinous genocide.” (from the comments above)

    When I read stuff like this, I’m left wondering what the author’s native language is. I gather that it’s English, but she uses in it an awfully odd way. I would argue that this is because her goal is not to inform us of “basic facts,” but to incite us her readers to hatred — of the allegedly barbaric Russians.

    What do I find when I look in the handy dictionary in my MacBook?

    lynch:
    “(of a mob) kill (someone), esp. by hanging, for an alleged offense with or without a legal trial.”

    black:
    “2. of any human group having dark-colored skin, esp. of African or Australian Aboriginal ancestry.”

    genocide:
    “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.”

    I scan the SOVA Center’s daily LiveJournal feeds, and I also carefully read their longer quarterly reports. While the picture they paint is quite troubling, to say the least, I don’t remember ever reading there about the “open lynching of blacks” in Russia — that is, about mobs of people publicly and openly stringing up Africans, African Americans or Australian aboriginals from a tree or other convenient object for “an alleged offense.”

    LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:

    You seem to be quite hysterical and blind. The black American from Rhode Island was attacked at a bus stop by a mob. In fact, almost every killing was carried out by a group. You need to do some deep breathing and calm down so you can see the forest for the trees. Does it make you feel better if the blacks were killed by individuals? How many people do YOU need before it’s a “mob”? Would you REALLY prefer to parse vocabulary than to defend human life?

    You say it’s “quite troubling,” but have you ever written ANYTHING to condemn Russian behavior? You sure don’t link to it.

    Think about it, dude.

  • hecksinductionhour // November 18, 2009 at 12:14 pm | Reply

    All the racists attacks and murders in Russia that I’ve read or know about (and yes, there are lots of them) have been carried out by neo-Nazis, not lynch mobs. The neo-Nazis don’t lynch their victims. They hit, kick, shoot and stab them. And they usually attack in small groups. There are often no or few witnesses present, and they leave the scene of the crime as quickly as possible. It’s not the M.O. one usually associates with the “open lynching of blacks.”

    Their principal targets are people from the Caucasus and Central Asia. While it’s true that the abusive slang in Russian for the former is “blacks,” they aren’t “blacks” in English. They’re people from the Caucasus and Central Asians. Who, then, are these “blacks” who are being openly lynched?

    As for Africans and African Americans, they’re a lesser target for the simple reason that there are much fewer of them in Russia. But it is true that the Africans and African American students I know do feel terrorized, and many of them have been repeatedly attacked and otherwise abused. There is nothing good to say about that, but it hardly constitutes “open lynching of blacks.”

    The neo-Nazis also frequently target antifascists (like Nikolai Girenko and Stanislav Markelov), antifa skinheads and punks, and other alt-culture types. In fact, just yesterday a well-known antifa activist, Ivan Khutorskoi, was shot and killed in the stairwell of his building in Moscow. Before this, he had been attacked three times by neo-Nazis:

    http://chtodelat.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/antifa-and-leftist-activist-ivan-khutorskoi-murdered-in-moscow/

    It is simply not true that all this wretchedness is not publicized or discussed in Russia, or that the authorities and members of the public do nothing about it. If you read SOVA’s quarterly reports, you’ll have noticed that in the past year or so they’ve been very mildly praising law enforcement officials, especially in Moscow, for carrying out more arrests of neo-Nazis and getting more convictions in which commission of a “hate crime” is part of the charge and is factored into the sentencing.

    It’s also the case that high public officials like Putin and Medvedev have spoken of the threat posed by neo-Nazis. Which is not to say that their own policies haven’t encouraged the rise of far-right and racist attitudes. And while law enforcement in some places is doing a slightly better job of tackling the neo-Nazis, it is also well known that there are lots of sympathizers to their cause in the ranks of the police, as well as among establishment political figures.

    LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:

    It’s hilariously funny that you call for accuracy and then claim you know who killed Girienko and Markelov, and can’t point to a single speech by either Medvedev or Putin condeming the killing of black people in Russia.

    Your rhetoric is as utterly devoid of real facts and as chock-full of wrongheaded opinion as you claim our comments are! Is that what you call leading by example? Ha!

  • hecksinductionhour // November 18, 2009 at 12:15 pm | Reply

    As for “public opposition,” it exists as well. On the analytical end, we have the SOVA Center and other civil rights groups; on the fighting end, we have the antifa. In between, there are good journalists who cover these stories (like NTV’s Andrei Loshak), filmmakers like Pavel Bardin (“Russia-88″), and activists who are engaged in programs to educate young people in the virtues of tolerance.

    The problem, however, is still enormous, and the good work being done is far too little. And a lot of it is undone by the “great-powerist” rhetoric and policies of the authorities and much of the hegemonic cultural discourse.

    As for “genocide,” the author sounds a lot like the rhetoric of Russian and South Ossetian authorities during last war’s Russia-Georgia war. As bad as it is (and it is bad), the neo-Nazi rampage is just that, not a “heinous genocide.” That’s just more anti-Russian hate speech, not analysis or “basic facts.”

    In fact, the author’s insistence, in at least three articles that I’ve read, on this strange turn of phrase — “open lynching of blacks” — is quite troubling. What could it mean? After all, “open lynching of blacks” has never taken place in Russia (which, again, is not to say that things just as bad or worse haven’t taken and don’t take place there). Where did we see such a practice? Ah yes, the good old United States of America:

    “Nearly 5,000 African Americans were lynched between 1860 and 1890.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching

    Now those are some terrific numbers!

    It’s good those awful days are behind us. Or are they?

    “American prisons and jails held 2,299,116 inmates as of June 30, 2007. One in every 31 American adults, or 7.3 million Americans, are in prison, on parole or probation. Approximately one in every 18 men in the United States is behind bars or being monitored. A significantly greater percentage of the American population is in some form of correctional control even though crime rates have declined by about 25 percent from 1988-2008. 70% of prisoners in the United States are non-whites.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

    Sounds a bit “barbaric,” doesn’t it? And racist.

    LA RUSSOPHOBE RESPONDS:

    You mean it’s OK if Russia kills blacks because America jails them? Are you on drugs or something?

    America’s rate of race killing is minsicule compared to Russia’s. By contrast, in your caveman like ignorance, you don’t even try to discuss Russia’s rate of race jailings. You compare apples and oranges in the manner of a Soviet propagandist. It’s simply silly.

    Your own language skills need serious work by the way. “Public opposition” means people in the streets protesting, not obscure NGOs that can be closed down in a second and obscure filmmakers which aren’t allowed on national TV. It means a large public movement to protect innnocent black people form being murdered at the rate of two per week. It doesn’t exist, and if you say it does you’re a liar.

    By the way, you’re abusing our blog. You don’t have the right to publish so much garbage, it’s not your blog it’s ours. Try to exercise at least a little self retraint and common courtesy. As we undertand it, you’ve just published five comments in a row, two of which were so irrelevant we deleted them, so you could voice your idea that we should say “murdered by small groups not quite large enough to be lynch mobs” rather than “lynched.” OK, dude, we got it. We heard you. And we’ll go right on saying lynched anyway, because we feel it’s the accurate term. You’ve got a different opinion? Great! Make your own blog and find out who else cares. Meanwhile, you sound like a Soviet-era propagandist trying to confuse the issue rather than standing up for racial justice in Russia. We think that’s utterly vile.

    • Andrew // November 19, 2009 at 5:07 am | Reply

      Well “heck”, the simple fact of the business in South Ossetia last year is that the Russians and Ossetian separatists committed ethnic cleansing, not the Georgians.

      I suspect all the Russian rhetoric was to try and deflect attention from their own actions.

      BTW, “lynched” does not mean “hung” as so many people seem to think (thanks to hollywood) but in fact refers to the summary execution (by whatever means) of a person or persons by a mob.

      Named for a famous vigilante as I recall.

  • A. // November 18, 2009 at 4:29 pm | Reply

    Kim, I think you’re too harsh on hecksinductionhour. He doesn’t seem to be a “propagandist” or Putinist or an apologist of neo-Nazi violence, but indeed his arguments on the phrasing you use are sometimes a bit over-stretched. Maybe you should have used “ethnic minorities” instead of “blacks” (since Caucasians and Central Asians are more frequent victims than Africans, due to sheer numbers), but “lynching” is a pretty accurate term. The murders are done in crowded public spaces (markets, subways, bus stops) in broad daylight, with plenty of indifferent onlookers. There are plenty of videos on youtube where neo-Nazis film their murderous attacks, without even bothering to hide their faces, and the people around just sit idly by without doing or saying anything. There is something very wrong with a country where gangs of thugs can murder or batter people in broad daylight, without people around even batting an eyelid.

    As for law enforcement, it’s pretty clear that the authorities not only do nothing to stop this wave of violence, but they actively encourage it. Neo-Nazis are rarely investigated and even more rarely convicted, and at worst they get a few years if they’ve done multiple murders. But most walk free or with a slap on the wrist. While the antifa or Caucasians who try to defend themselves get hefty prison sentences.

    Nothing even remotely similar happens in any country in the world (except maybe for war-torn countries in Africa). And hecksinductionhour, thanks for the figure you mentioned: the 5000 blacks lynched in the US between 1830-1860. That’s about the same rate per year as in Russia nowadays. Isn’t it worrying that in 2009 the biggest country on earth is sinking to depths of barbarism equal to the darkest moments in American history, 150 years ago?

  • hecksinductionhour // November 18, 2009 at 5:57 pm | Reply

    La Russophobe: “You seem to be quite hysterical and blind. The black American from Rhode Island was attacked at a bus stop by a mob.”

    The Providence Journal: “After leaving a gym to go home on Dec. 5 a man reportedly assaulted Robinson while he waited for a bus in the southern city of Volgograd, according to his mother, Tina Robinson.

    The unknown assailant stabbed Robinson twice during the struggle. Yesterday, a doctor at Volgograd Hospital told the Associated Press’ Moscow bureau that the 18-year-old was in grave, but stable condition.”

    This is the article you link to in your own article on Pajamas Media. How does one man constitute a “mob”?

    The quality that is so valuable in the work the SOVA Center does is that they try to stick to verifiable facts, avoiding heavy-handed and inflammatory rhetoric and basing their conclusions and recommendations on realities, not wild generalizations (e.g., “all Russians are barbarians”).

    The crime against Mr. Robinson is deplorable all by itself. Why make it into something (a “mob lynching”) that it wasn’t? What purpose does that serve?

    By the way, thanks for eliminating the part of my comments where I explain who I think was really to blame for what happened to Mr. Robinson (you blamed President Obama!) and how it is that I reached such conclusions. You cut out that part on purpose, I’m afraid, because you’d rather not have feedback from people with real life and work experience in Russia.

  • hecksinductionhour // November 18, 2009 at 5:58 pm | Reply

    Thanks, A., for your thoughtful comment. I agree with you that it is deeply disturbing that the biggest country on earth is sinking to these barbarous depths. But I think we have to look closely at each and every case to see what the circumstances were. Were there in fact bystanders? What time of day was it? Could the bystanders have done anything against a “mob” (or large group of skinheads) armed with knives, bats, and (sometimes) air pistols? Did they do something to defend themselves or others? (A year or so ago, “Russkii reporter” had a great piece on the Uzbek “gastarbeiter” who defended a Tuvan journalist attacked by skinheads in the Petersburg metro.) Did the skinheads linger on the scene for long?

    When Timur Kacharava was murdered in Petersburg (a mere few blocks from where I happened to be at the time), it was in fact in broad daylight. But the skinheads attacked so fast and exited the scene so quickly, that I doubt very few people in the vicinity understood what was happening.

    In that case, by the way, one of the perpretrators did get a stiff sentence. Unfortunately, the others got suspended sentences.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur_Kacharava

    If you read that Wiki article, you’ll see that 3,000 St. Petersburg State University students petitioned Putin to find and punish the murderers. How is that not a public response? Not to mention the huge vigil at the murder site the following evening (were you there, La Russophobe? I was) and the extensive coverage the case got in national and international media.

    As for your other points, A., about what the authorities are and are not doing, the record (if you believe SOVA’s reports) is mixed, although mostly with the authorities coming out on the losing end: too few convictions, too mild sentences, and a lots of indications that various forces within the Kremlin or lower down on the totem pole are allied with the neo-Nazis or have been manipulating them for their own nasty purposes. The consequences of this “political technology” approach were made clear by an antifa activist whose comment on the murder of Ivan Khutorskoi we just published in our blog:

    http://chtodelat.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/copylefter-they-killed-vanya/

    By the way, La Russophobe, I didn’t claim to know who killed Girenko and Markelov. But the authorities claim they do:

    http://windowoneurasia.blogspot.com/2009/10/window-on-eurasia-russian-nazi-says-his.html

    Or are they lying?

    • Andrew // November 19, 2009 at 5:27 am | Reply

      Being the Russian authorities, I would suggest that they are lying, just as they lied about Politkovskaya, Estimirova, about the rasons for the war in Georgia last year.

      The Russian state is built on lies, it is run through lies.

      What do you expect?

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